[Eve Booker]

Just throwing this out there, but could BGS be arguing about which generation of consoles to use for their next game? And that's why the game's announcement has been delayed.

Doubtful. This whole next-gen discussion seems pointless. It just doesn't make financial sense to delay a project for next gen. By that argument no new games should be coming out because developers ought to just wait for the next gen. My last question went unanswered so I'll ask again: Why wouldn't they want to release TES:V on the current gen, restraining the features to fit within the current gen's specs, and then release a next gen version without the restraints once the next gen comes out? Game development is a business and It seems that would yield far better financial results.

In addition, I reject the argument that waiting means a better game. Pick an arbitrary number. By that token we ought to wait 25 years because by then the technology will really be able to TES:V justice in all its glory. Heck, let's wait 50.

Bah, all this is worthless discussion.

[Tanya Parra]

Fair enough, it gets semantic at this point, but I would say they probably, on a case by case basis, did something on the PC build, and then asked, "will this work on the 360 build" and tweaked things until it did. Tandem development yes, I'm sure I've heard that before as well, but the PC would have been the lead platform. So does that make the 360 version a PC port? Boy its hard to say for sure, my gut says yes, but the contrary argument is completely reasonable.

Personally, I'm of a mind that when Sony and MS say '10 year cycle' what they will really achieve is more like '2 year delay' before new hardware rolls. Move, Kinect, and shutter-lens-3D are stopgaps to stretch consumer interest in platforms that, if it weren't for the economic disaster the last few years have seen worldwide, would be in their last days as the lead platforms. Will this effect TESV? Will is be another 5 years of 7th gen systems, or just 2? These are questions without much to build an answer on at this point, but time will tell.

It is worth noting that the games that were developed for the SNES, PSX, PS2 and Xbox platforms five years into their life-cycles completely blew the doors off the launch software of those platforms. So a 7th gen console port of TESV could very well bodyslam Oblivion in the technical/graphics department, without the need for new hardware.

It's important to note, too, that technically the PS2 had a ten year cycle that overlapped the current generation. So we know that there's a precedent for a generation overlap.

Also, I don't know that the next generation will be a dramatic improvement in graphical quality. Look at PCs: any GPU over $200 simply isn't worth it, because the difference in quality between a $200 card and a $1,000 card probably isn't going to knock your socks off. I think we're reaching a plateau (at least in the short term) for graphical quality.

[Ron]

Oblivion was developed for the PC with the 360 in mind, HOWEVER....and heres the important bit, Fallout 3 was developed for thr 360 then ported to PC/PS3!

If they continue like this then the power of the consoles could really impact on what and when they end up releasing.

[Averielle Garcia]

Oblivion was developed for the PC with the 360 in mind, HOWEVER....and heres the important bit, Fallout 3 was developed for thr 360 then ported to PC/PS3!

That's funny though, because Oblivion's PC user interface was so horribly console-oriented. Fallout 3's user interface, and general feel, actually fit the PC well.

Anyways, Stain makes the best point. If developers cared so much, RAGE wouldn't be coming out, nor Brink, nor any of these games. The truth of it is that developers will announce and release their games when they're damned good and ready. Just look at games like Twilight Princess. Gamecube AND Wii release. They came out on the EDGE of the console life and still did fine.

If the game is good, people will buy it, regardless of the time frame.

[+++CAZZY]

To reply to hungry donner in a sense I would like to say this.

Hungry Donner said something referring to "constructive speculation"

I don't believe that there is such thing as constructive speculation. I believe that speculation when it becomes constructive becomes in essence evidence. Therefore I do believe that any "constructive speculation" would then need be referred into such a category of evidence.

Thats my two cents on that sorry.

So as I see it when you type in elderscrolls 5 on google you get a story about four links down from 2008 saying that the next edition of the elderscrolls compendium would be released in 2010. Being in the two thousand and tenth year anno domini we know this now to be false. This is not yet the longest that the elder scrolls series has been dormant. (The four year gap between Redguard and Morrowind
being the longest) I personally do not see a difference in quality at this time between the recent squeals. Fable 3 looks the same as Fable 2, Mass Effect 2 looks like Mass Effect one. My point is that from Morrowind to Oblivion the Quality of everything was increased. I remember the first cinematic we watched of Oblivion my older brother said " That is the prettiest man I have ever seen" and at that point after seeing the in-game footage I knew that this was a brand new level. And so with my nonconstructive speculation I say unto you that the first time that Patrick Stewart introduced me to Cyrodiil and I first saw that Imperial City I felt pure and unbridled elation. I personally have high standards (I think) to get an emotional response to something like that. The only time I have felt an emotion like that in a game was when the horse died in Shadow of the Colossus (don't laugh I loved that horse). For me thats what elderscrolls embodies, The overwhelming D&D coming true total immersemant that rarely happens in a video game. From being a hardcoe platformer I know that at this point in the game it will be hard to find something to come above what Oblivion was. So my speculation which I will reiterate from those who have said it before is that probably the next age of gaming will see the release of the next elderscrolls will come on the precipice day when it comes just when the level of Quality increases enough that the true impact of Elder Scrolls can be realized by everyone.

Relfar Reinfeild

This makes sense, but I think they will release a new ES before the next gen to keep interesd in the Elder Scrolls alive. and Howard said they were reworking their technology for a big game they are working on.

[!beef]

I'm pretty sure the 360 version was developed simultaneously with the PC version. I remember Todd saying something about that. The PS3 was ported. I could be wrong, but this is what I remember.

That's correct.

[Kim Kay]

TESV is pretty much a guaranteed $600 million paycheck for Bethesda.

You can bet they want that money sooner rather than 5 years from now, so they'll release the game as fast as they can without sacrificing the quality or content.

Waiting for the next gen would make zero sense, especially since not everyone is an early adopter, and so, even if new consoles were right around the corner, it would be illogical to ignore the much larger install base of the current gen.

[Melissa De Thomasis]

TESV is pretty much a guaranteed $600 million paycheck for Bethesda.

You can bet they want that money sooner rather than 5 years from now, so they'll release the game as fast as they can without sacrificing the quality or content.

You know whats also gonna bring a pretty big paycheck?

Fallout New Vegas, RAGE and BRiNK.

I'm not so sure about Hunted this point, i've seen very few screenshots and videos to make a proper judgement.

New vegas alone should keep the company going strong. RAGE is getting a lot of commendation for its engine, plus we don't know how much money id will get for licencing out their new engine, so theres some money there...

I wouldn't worry about them losing money over the production of TES V.

[STEVI INQUE]

You know whats also gonna bring a pretty big paycheck?

Fallout New Vegas, RAGE and BRiNK.

Not exactly a large motivator for the TES series is it :unsure2: even if the TES series is likely to fill Beth's bank with money, they don't exactly need to rush development to be able to stay alive, financially anyway.

[luke trodden]

You know whats also gonna bring a pretty big paycheck?

Fallout New Vegas, RAGE and BRiNK.

I'm not so sure about Hunted this point, i've seen very few screenshots and videos to make a proper judgement.

New vegas alone should keep the company going strong. RAGE is getting a lot of commendation for its engine, plus we don't know how much money id will get for licencing out their new engine, so theres some money there...

I wouldn't worry about them losing money over the production of TES V.

Yeah, but if I understand correctly, nobody at BGS is getting payed for these games.

[Ysabelle]

Just throwing this out there, but could BGS be arguing about which generation of consoles to use for their next game? And that's why the game's announcement has been delayed.

If they ARE developing it for next gen consoles, then they'd have been developing it for next-gen consoles since the beginning. So no, i don't see that happening.

And, as far as I know, no announcement has been delayed. It'd be silly to assume that just because it's been however many years since the last ES game.

[Nicole Coucopoulos]

From everything I've read as far as reviews they have all stated that the ps3 version of oblivion looked slightly better graphically and also ran a little better as well so yea...

[Chantel Hopkin]

From everything I've read as far as reviews they have all stated that the ps3 version of oblivion looked slightly better graphically and also ran a little better as well so yea...

I heard that too, but I also heard the exact opposite for Fallout 3.

[michael danso]

If they ARE developing it for next gen consoles, then they'd have been developing it for next-gen consoles since the beginning. So no, i don't see that happening.

And, as far as I know, no announcement has been delayed. It'd be silly to assume that just because it's been however many years since the last ES game.

Not necessarily, people change their plans.
It looked as though we were going to see a new ES in 2010, however development was cut short on ESV.
ESV was put on hold so that BGS could wait for new hardware. That is why Pete Hines said don't expect a new ES anytime soon.

[P PoLlo]

Not necessarily, people change their plans.
It looked as though we were going to see a new ES in 2010, however development was cut short on ESV.
ESV was put on hold so that BGS could wait for new hardware. That is why Pete Hines said don't expect a new ES anytime soon.

That's a pretty precarious arrangement of the facts...to insert your bankrupt theory as a causation for Todd's comment is reckless.

Development for ES:V was cut short? Really? From where did that come?

Soon is a relative term. Besides, It was Todd who said that, not Pete...and Pete sometime afterward said that they would return to ES.

[Jennifer May]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say what is on my mind.

Oblivion was announced about 28 months after Morrowind's release; it's been 21 months since Fallout 3's release. I think we will get an announcement this Fall tied in with news of the second book. Who knows what will happen, I'm just putting this out there.

[Beat freak]

That's a pretty precarious arrangement of the facts...to insert your bankrupt theory as a causation for Todd's comment is reckless.

Development for ES:V was cut short? Really? From where did that come?

Soon is a relative term. Besides, It was Todd who said that, not Pete...and Pete sometime afterward said that they would return to ES.

Mr. Bombastic,

care to be a little less verbose next time?

Clearly, the development of ESV was altered. We were supposed to have a game in 2010, yet we don't.
In fact, less than a year ago we were told not to expect a new ES game anytime soon.
They are waiting for the next generation of consoles.

[lydia nekongo]

Mr. Bombastic,

care to be a little less verbose next time?

Clearly, the development of ESV was altered. We were supposed to have a game in 2010, yet we don't.
In fact, less than a year ago we were told not to expect a new ES game anytime soon.
They are waiting for the next generation of consoles.

AFAIK, it was only said we "could" and "potentially" have a game by 2010, not should or were supposed to.

AND if you go by the interiew that does say "potential 2010 release", that SAME interview says they are sticking to ps3, xbox 360, and pc. So....

[Peter P Canning]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say what is on my mind.

Oblivion was announced about 28 months after Morrowind's release; it's been 21 months since Fallout 3's release. I think we will get an announcement this Fall tied in with news of the second book. Who knows what will happen, I'm just putting this out there.

But Oblivion needed a long dev cycle due to a new console generation. I would think that they would at least have enough preliminary screenshots to announce. However, your point is valid and I'd say that you are probably pretty close to the correct answer.

[Casey]

Mr. Bombastic,

care to be a little less verbose next time?

Clearly, the development of ESV was altered. We were supposed to have a game in 2010, yet we don't.
In fact, less than a year ago we were told not to expect a new ES game anytime soon.
They are waiting for the next generation of consoles.

Moderator: Rudeness does not go down well on these forums.

If you have some information on TES V being cut short, and that they have said they are waiting for the next gen. consoles, please quote the source as I would be interested as well.

[sunny lovett]

Mr. Bombastic,

care to be a little less verbose next time?

Clearly, the development of ESV was altered. We were supposed to have a game in 2010, yet we don't.
In fact, less than a year ago we were told not to expect a new ES game anytime soon.
They are waiting for the next generation of consoles.

They said they wanted it in 2010. That was back in 2008. Things have changed and perhasp they just need more time to finish it, not necessarily because they want to put it on the next gen consoles. It will be 4+ years before the next gen consoles come out, and they are certainly not going to wait.

[[ becca ]]

Moderator: Rudeness does not go down well on these forums.

If you have some information on TES V being cut short, and that they have said they are waiting for the next gen. consoles, please quote the source as I would be interested as well.

Agreed.

[hannah sillery]

Mr. Bombastic,

care to be a little less verbose next time?

Clearly, the development of ESV was altered. We were supposed to have a game in 2010, yet we don't.
In fact, less than a year ago we were told not to expect a new ES game anytime soon.
They are waiting for the next generation of consoles.

This forum would benefit greatly having a little more verbose posts. Clear communication is a good thing. :thumbsup:

Paul Oughton is the executive who said the infamous quote..."potentially there's a new Elder Scrolls title in 2010". The credibility of this quote has been heavily criticized (but you'll need to dig back to the birth of this thread to find the discussions). I interpret this potential as an announcement and not a release. Others may disagree, but that's the way I see it.

Taking it from "potential" to "supposed to" is a big leap and so far you've not provided the solid evidence to logically bring us there. So, no, it is not "clearly" apparent that ES:V's development cycle has been altered. You can make a much better argument for that using the trademarks in that they were filed prematurely.

Waiting? So what, pray tell, are they doing now?

EDIT: fixed quote

[ijohnnny]

Ok, enough argument about "Next Generation"

Except for Nintendo right now there is no such thing. Both Sony and Microsoft have made multi-million dollar bets that a shiny new form factor and "Kinect"/"Move" will prop up hardware and software sales for the next two years or so while they try and MAKE whatever they'll be bringing out next. Neither want to even think about making a move until it's seen whether things like OnLive will succeed.

Oh, and sources? Yes I have those. Like Cevat Yerli, head of Crytek, saying that the next console generation won't be out till at least http://www.crytek.com/fileadmin/user_upload/inside/presentations/2010_HPG_Keynotes/Notes.ppt.

And Microsoft themselves saying http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/28697/Microsofts_Bach_Natal_A_Midlife_Kicker_For_The_360.php

And unfortunately I cant find it, but John Carmack (Lead tech guy of Id and all around genius) hoping that not only will RAGE and Doom 4 come out this generation, but yet another, even later game as well.

Anyway, point is that unless they started in late 2008 and are planning a 2014 release date there's no way it will sit that long. Now no more discussion of it so when I check this thread I can easily see if there's something new instead of people spinning round in circles cause they can.

[Sheeva]

AFAIK, it was only said we "could" and "potentially" have a game by 2010, not should or were supposed to.

AND if you go by the interiew that does say "potential 2010 release", that SAME interview says they are sticking to ps3, xbox 360, and pc. So....

They WERE going to stick with the ps3, xbox 360, and pc.
IF it were to be released in 2010.
Now that it is NOT.
They are developing for the next consoles.

I cannot stress enough that I cannot reveal my source, nor can I quote it off the internet, because it isn't on the internet.