[Ebou Suso]

Well i think TESV must be in development now and they are currently starting work on creating the story and world-map.
Look at the job opportunities the currently have:

# Senior World Artist New
# World Artist (Contractor) New

Both jobs have "Experience with The Elder Scrolls Construction Set or GECK" as a plus.
http://www.gamesas.com/eng/links/job_052610_worldartist.html

That has been there forever.

[Alyce Argabright]

I would be surprised if they wait for a new generation of consoles to release TES 5. the consoles now are being updated with new peripheries and minor upgrades. I think Microsoft and Sony have both invested too much to suddenly have a new console in the next 1-2 years. I think they would release in the next 4-5 at a minimum.

[Campbell]

Oblivion wasn't developed from the start with the Xbox 360 in mind. It was developed for the PC, although they tried for a 360 launch title I think.

Back track to 2004, when Doom 3 was released. That game was the first to display next-gen graphics, not too far off from what we have now. ID Tech 4 is STILL powering games, such as Wolfenstein and Brink (apparently), but I see that game as the starting point for this so called next-gen rush. Even though, Doom 3 was also released for the original Xbox.

The next engine to come out was Valve's Source engine, which featured damn good physics. Both ID Tech 4 and Source were engines that were in development years before 2004, however.

Unreal Engine 4 is going to be for the 8th generation consoles. ID tech 6 already has speculation about, that it may feature some ray-tracing elements. Both engines are very far off - an ID tech 5 game has yet to be released.

TES V: will be this-gen. Not next-gen. This-gen. As I said about Doom 3 being the first "next-gen" game, it was still released for a 6th-gen console. There is no reason to believe that a game cannot be released that incorporates elements that will be a part of the 8th generation, yet still run on 7th-gen hardware. This is already the case. Crysis, Crysis 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R and a handful of other games using DirectX 10 and DirectX 11 technology are games that in graphical capabilities will be in between 7th and 8th generation games. However, they are also PC games, and DirectX is a PC technology. Crysis 2 is also going to be released for the consoles. So, in the end, even though on PC they will have superior graphics to their console counter parts - Doom 4 will be the same way most likely - they are still 7th-gen games.

7th-gen is going to be around for quite a while. 6th-gen titles have still been released even recently. 7th-gen was dominated not by graphical prowess but new methods of interacting with the game itself - the Wii, despite its relative "retardation" compared to PS3 and 360, is a console that sold a lot better and now the other consoles are trying to capitalize on the success of the Wii with Playstation Move and Kinect. Give these new products about 3 years time, then lets start talking about 8th gen... until then, the only 8th gen anyone will see any time soon is not a console you plug into a TV, nor is it going to be TESV... I think the first truly 8th-gen device will be the Nintendo 3DS, because this is technology using 3D displays without the need for glasses.

8th generation technology will make wide use of 3D technology, along with better motion capture controls. We may start to see displays that can display 3D without the need for glasses. This might even be the generation that true virtual reality starts to appear in a more advanced form, although I'm betting that's for the 9th generation - and probably in 20 years we'll be able to step inside a game with all 5 senses simulated.

I know this post is more speculation on future of video games than anything else, but the point is, TESV is not going to be released in the 8th generation. It will still be a 7th generation game, because there is not going to be an instant leap to 8th gen. There will be a gradual development to it. TESV will be part of that, but it will still be able to run on 7th-gen hardware because 8th gen is too far off. 3 years is a very liberal estimate... I think 8th gen might come about around 2015. Also, the next Xbox may likely have capabilities to run DirectX 12, or even DirectX 13... both of which aren't even close to release.

I wonder what the 10th gen will be like,imagine the super realistic graphics tes 8 might be on the 10th gen.

[Vera Maslar]

That has been there forever.

Was it there before OB's release?

[yermom]

Was it there before OB's release?

No.

[Betsy Humpledink]

No.

And they are not just hiring them to watch Hulu all day...

[yessenia hermosillo]

Besides, Sony execs have said that PS4 will came some time AFTER XB720; so it would make even less sense from business point of view for Beth to release TESV for next gen.

This is a very good point.

PS4 and Xbox720 will not be released at the same time, maybe even 2-3 years apart.

First of all, PS3 was released later than the Xbox360, which means that it's younger than the Xbox360
Second, Sony is aiming for a really long life with the PS3. The PS2 had a long lifespan, and they want the PS3 to last even further. Maybe even 10 years. iirc, their plan is actually that the PS3 will be able to compete with the xbox720, when the xbox720 is in it's early years.
(I don't have the source for this anymore, but I read it in an article, and I think it's very likely that this will happen, just like the PS2 had to compete with the Xbox360 in the beginning before PS3 was released)

This means that if you want Elder Scrolls V to be on both sony's and microsofts next-gen consoles, then you would have to wait until the PS4 comes, which is a lot later than the Xbox720.

[sas]

This is a very good point.

PS4 and Xbox720 will not be released at the same time, maybe even 2-3 years apart.

First of all, PS3 was released later than the Xbox360, which means that it's younger than the Xbox360
Second, Sony is aiming for a really long life with the PS3. The PS2 had a long lifespan, and they want the PS3 to last even further. Maybe even 10 years. iirc, their plan is actually that the PS3 will be able to compete with the xbox720, when the xbox720 is in it's early years.
(I don't have the source for this anymore, but I read it in an article, and I think it's very likely that this will happen, just like the PS2 had to compete with the Xbox360 in the beginning before PS3 was released)

This means that if you want Elder Scrolls V to be on both sony's and microsofts next-gen consoles, then you would have to wait until the PS4 comes, which is a lot later than the Xbox720.

Actually, no. We wouldn't have to wait until PS4. In the case of Oblivion BGS didn't wait for PS3 to release oblivion.

[Terry]

Oblivion wasn't developed from the start with the Xbox 360 in mind. It was developed for the PC, although they tried for a 360 launch title I think.

Back track to 2004, when Doom 3 was released. That game was the first to display next-gen graphics, not too far off from what we have now. ID Tech 4 is STILL powering games, such as Wolfenstein and Brink (apparently), but I see that game as the starting point for this so called next-gen rush. Even though, Doom 3 was also released for the original Xbox.

The next engine to come out was Valve's Source engine, which featured damn good physics. Both ID Tech 4 and Source were engines that were in development years before 2004, however.

Unreal Engine 4 is going to be for the 8th generation consoles. ID tech 6 already has speculation about, that it may feature some ray-tracing elements. Both engines are very far off - an ID tech 5 game has yet to be released.

TES V: will be this-gen. Not next-gen. This-gen. As I said about Doom 3 being the first "next-gen" game, it was still released for a 6th-gen console. There is no reason to believe that a game cannot be released that incorporates elements that will be a part of the 8th generation, yet still run on 7th-gen hardware. This is already the case. Crysis, Crysis 2, S.T.A.L.K.E.R and a handful of other games using DirectX 10 and DirectX 11 technology are games that in graphical capabilities will be in between 7th and 8th generation games. However, they are also PC games, and DirectX is a PC technology. Crysis 2 is also going to be released for the consoles. So, in the end, even though on PC they will have superior graphics to their console counter parts - Doom 4 will be the same way most likely - they are still 7th-gen games.

7th-gen is going to be around for quite a while. 6th-gen titles have still been released even recently. 7th-gen was dominated not by graphical prowess but new methods of interacting with the game itself - the Wii, despite its relative "retardation" compared to PS3 and 360, is a console that sold a lot better and now the other consoles are trying to capitalize on the success of the Wii with Playstation Move and Kinect. Give these new products about 3 years time, then lets start talking about 8th gen... until then, the only 8th gen anyone will see any time soon is not a console you plug into a TV, nor is it going to be TESV... I think the first truly 8th-gen device will be the Nintendo 3DS, because this is technology using 3D displays without the need for glasses.

8th generation technology will make wide use of 3D technology, along with better motion capture controls. We may start to see displays that can display 3D without the need for glasses. This might even be the generation that true virtual reality starts to appear in a more advanced form, although I'm betting that's for the 9th generation - and probably in 20 years we'll be able to step inside a game with all 5 senses simulated.

I know this post is more speculation on future of video games than anything else, but the point is, TESV is not going to be released in the 8th generation. It will still be a 7th generation game, because there is not going to be an instant leap to 8th gen. There will be a gradual development to it. TESV will be part of that, but it will still be able to run on 7th-gen hardware because 8th gen is too far off. 3 years is a very liberal estimate... I think 8th gen might come about around 2015. Also, the next Xbox may likely have capabilities to run DirectX 12, or even DirectX 13... both of which aren't even close to release.

Interesting post, but I disagree.
Doom 3, while it was impressive, was not a next generation game.
When talking about generations, I am referring to consoles, not PC's.
If you look at DOOM 3 on xbox and compare it to an early xbox 360 game like Halo 3 or Oblivion the latter are MILES ahead of DOOM 3.
Now if you look at DOOM 3 on a PC when it was released and now you may see an increase in quality I don't know I'm not much of a PC gamer.

The difference between releasing ESV on Xbox 360 vs Xbox 720 is going to make a HUGE difference. Assuming the new xbox is released in 3 years
and just for a moment lets assume xbox ESV is released on that new system. That would be the difference of releasing a game on BRAND new hardware or hardware that is 8 YEARS OLD.
This will make a huge difference and I disagree with the blurring of generations, as far as consoles are concerned.

Bethesda is going to keep the consoles in mind because Console sales are a huge portion of their sales.

[Georgine Lee]

So logically they would release a game for a console that people already have instead of one that would just be coming out... and may not come out for another 5 years. TESV is 7th-gen, that I can say for certainty.

[jeremey wisor]

Interesting post, but I disagree.
Doom 3, while it was impressive, was not a next generation game.
When talking about generations, I am referring to consoles, not PC's.
If you look at DOOM 3 on xbox and compare it to an early xbox 360 game like Halo 3 or Oblivion the latter are MILES ahead of DOOM 3.
Now if you look at DOOM 3 on a PC when it was released and now you may see an increase in quality I don't know I'm not much of a PC gamer.

The difference between releasing ESV on Xbox 360 vs Xbox 720 is going to make a HUGE difference. Assuming the new xbox is released in 3 years
and just for a moment lets assume xbox ESV is released on that new system. That would be the difference of releasing a game on BRAND new hardware or hardware that is 8 YEARS OLD.
This will make a huge difference and I disagree with the blurring of generations, as far as consoles are concerned.

Bethesda is going to keep the consoles in mind because Console sales are a huge portion of their sales.

Serper what is the offline source that you haven't told us about.

[Jodie Bardgett]

Interesting post, but I disagree.
Doom 3, while it was impressive, was not a next generation game.
When talking about generations, I am referring to consoles, not PC's.
If you look at DOOM 3 on xbox and compare it to an early xbox 360 game like Halo 3 or Oblivion the latter are MILES ahead of DOOM 3.
Now if you look at DOOM 3 on a PC when it was released and now you may see an increase in quality I don't know I'm not much of a PC gamer.

The difference between releasing ESV on Xbox 360 vs Xbox 720 is going to make a HUGE difference. Assuming the new xbox is released in 3 years
and just for a moment lets assume xbox ESV is released on that new system. That would be the difference of releasing a game on BRAND new hardware or hardware that is 8 YEARS OLD.
This will make a huge difference and I disagree with the blurring of generations, as far as consoles are concerned.

Bethesda is going to keep the consoles in mind because Console sales are a huge portion of their sales.

Its going to hurt their sales if they release the game on the current gen? I'd think it would HELP their sales because not everyone is willing to go out and purchase a $4-500 console every several years. Its out on the current gen because work started in late 2006, and if its been "delayed", then what else have they been doing?

We all know that PC graphics are FAR better than console graphics, so what you see on PC today is the BEST you're going to get on a new XBOX if it were to be released in 3 years. Then, PC will make that look like [censored], and we're back to thinking the consoles generally have poor graphics.

[~Amy~]

Its going to hurt their sales if they release the game on the current gen? I'd think it would HELP their sales because not everyone is willing to go out and purchase a $4-500 console every several years. Its out on the current gen because work started in late 2006, and if its been "delayed", then what else have they been doing?

We all know that PC graphics are FAR better than console graphics, so what you see on PC today is the BEST you're going to get on a new XBOX if it were to be released in 3 years. Then, PC will make that look like [censored], and we're back to thinking the consoles generally have poor graphics.

I never said it was going to hurt sales if they released it on the current gen. Please reread my original post. In fact I think the more systems that can play the new game, the more they will sell.
My post was to merely point out the significance of the console market over the PC market.
Correct me if I am wrong but Oblivion sold more on consoles than it did on PC's.
Also the PC market has been in decline over the last decade. It has seen a 50% decrease in sales, where console sales have seen increases. (according to NPD)
I believe that Bethesda is going to keep the console market in mind over the PC market, because that is where the money is at.
At the same time, BGS wants to release the best game possible, and while they are concerned about the money, I don't believe that they would handicap ESV by not waiting for the next generation of consoles. (and yes it would be a handicap, consoles generally aren't upgradable like PC's and it would be 8 years difference in hardware) I've notice that many users here are PC gamers. I am a console gamer and I think I need to explain something to some of you (who may not realize this)
It is true that early console games are not as impressive as the late ones because of optimization. But that difference is small compared to the difference between generations.

For Example
Halo 1 Xbox Early
vs
Doom 3 Xbox Late
vs
Halo 3 Xbox 360 early

May not be the best example, but all were FPS and good games.

[Solène We]

Hi GStaff :spotted owl: any comments on which generation is more likely, to end this argument?

As for the question of the PC vs the console market, BGS will almost certainly sway to the console side of the games as they have done with Fallout 3 and Oblivon. It is sad for us PC users, but I think it's because while we can change and optimise our games, the consoles can't. (I think I just gave you an alibi for that problem, care to share some info on TES: V in exchange :cookie: )

PC users have almost full control over the games, from user-interface to graphics control and other stuff by the use of the CS. While buying the game on the PC may seem like the 'smart' choice because of the strong community and the powerful CS, most gamers are simply casual gamers who just buy a game for buying a game, not because it is TES. Another reason that most gamers are console gamers is because the cost of making and setting-up a strong gaming PC can get quite high, as well as being a bit more complicated than simply buying a console. Most gamers don't want to understand why they need this motherboard or which case is the most suitable for everything they have, it can also get quite hard to find the stuff you need in some cases, I know from personal experience that finding a custom rig shop is not that easy, there's only one in my whole city!

Basically what I'm saying is the majority of users are console users, and that PC users have the option of tweaking things they don't like, so Beth will always consider the XBox over the PC.

[Farrah Barry]

Hi GStaff :spotted owl: any comments on which generation is more likely, to end this argument?

As for the question of the PC vs the console market, BGS will almost certainly sway to the console side of the games as they have done with Fallout 3 and Oblivon. It is sad for us PC users, but I think it's because while we can change and optimise our games, the consoles can't. (I think I just gave you an alibi for that problem, care to share some info on TES: V in exchange :cookie: )

PC users have almost full control over the games, from user-interface to graphics control and other stuff by the use of the CS. While buying the game on the PC may seem like the 'smart' choice because of the strong community and the powerful CS, most gamers are simply casual gamers who just buy a game for buying a game, not because it is TES. Another reason that most gamers are console gamers is because the cost of making and setting-up a strong gaming PC can get quite high, as well as being a bit more complicated than simply buying a console. Most gamers don't want to understand why they need this motherboard or which case is the most suitable for everything they have, it can also get quite hard to find the stuff you need in some cases, I know from personal experience that finding a custom rig shop is not that easy, there's only one in my whole city!

Basically what I'm saying is the majority of users are console users, and that PC users have the option of tweaking things they don't like, so Beth will always consider the XBox over the PC.

I use to do just PC gaming. But like you stated, it's too much of a hassle. If you want great performance and great quality then you have to upgrade something every 1-2 years. I liked the control PC games give you, but it just costs to much to keep everything up to date and keep your games running at their absolute best. I really just got fed up with upgrading, replacing and rebuilding lol. Plus, multiplayer on consoles is regulated better, less aimbots and other cheats.

It may be sad, but until they make games that can run well without sacrificing too much quality, then console gaming will continue to grow.

[Jynx Anthropic]

Can we hear it?

It might be on Xbox.com, other than that it's definitely up on the X360 dashboard.

[Elisabete Gaspar]

Over at ign yesterday they posted their top 25 most anticipated games for the rest of 2010 and fallout new vegas was #1...quite surprising actually since ign are such halo fan boys I thought they would have reach in the top spot.

Anyway over on the new vegas forum there is a thread discussing new vegas being #1 and someone posted "where is esv" in response to said list and one member had an interesting reply which was...

"That is cool news. Im rather suprised actually. Where is tesV post are growing quiet repetitive. This is obsidian's game not bethesda's. We already know they are working on it. It's going to be a complete new engine so people just need to be patient. I know when it does happen it will be very epic."

So obviously it will be very epic but has it been stated that beth is working on a new engine for it and its going to take a while or was this poster just purely speculating? Is it a common belief amongst the rest of the forum members that they are working on a new engine for esv?

[Brandon Wilson]

Over at ign yesterday they posted their top 25 most anticipated games for the rest of 2010 and fallout new vegas was #1...quite surprising actually since ign are such halo fan boys I thought they would have reach in the top spot.

Anyway over on the new vegas forum there is a thread discussing new vegas being #1 and someone posted "where is esv" in response to said list and one member had an interesting reply which was...

"That is cool news. Im rather suprised actually. Where is tesV post are growing quiet repetitive. This is obsidian's game not bethesda's. We already know they are working on it. It's going to be a complete new engine so people just need to be patient. I know when it does happen it will be very epic."

So obviously it will be very epic but has it been stated that beth is working on a new engine for it and its going to take a while or was this poster just purely speculating? Is it a common belief amongst the rest of the forum members that they are working on a new engine for esv?

I think they are updating or retooling Oblivion's engine for TESV

[tegan fiamengo]

Just thought I should say say that the two bloggers of Sent U A Message mentioned Elder Scrolls V again at the end of their video blog for Inside Xbox.

I'm really, really confident that they're just trolling, honestly. They've been doing this for weeks now. What, are they going to keep mentioning TES V until it's actually announced so people will think they predicted it or something?

[Misty lt]

So obviously it will be very epic but has it been stated that beth is working on a new engine for it and its going to take a while or was this poster just purely speculating? Is it a common belief amongst the rest of the forum members that they are working on a new engine for esv?

It hasn't. This was mere speculation on that user's part.

We know that, if the gamebryo engine is used again, it will be tweaked/optimized as always, but we have yet to hear any confirmation on whether that will be the case or whether Beth is switching to a brand new engine such as id tech 5.

Personally, I believe an optimized gamebryo is the most likely scenario, but seeing as we only have a few vague references and job postings to go on, anything is possible.

[Epul Kedah]

It hasn't. This was mere speculation on that user's part.

We know that, if the gamebryo engine is used again, it will be tweaked/optimized as always, but we have yet to hear any confirmation on whether that will be the case or whether Beth is switching to a brand new engine such as id tech 5.

Personally, I believe an optimized gamebryo is the most likely scenario, but seeing as we only have a few vague references and job postings to go on, anything is possible.

Todd Howard SAID they are doing "major changes to [their] basic technology". That sounds like they're changing the engine up quite a bit.

[Amanda Leis]

Can we hear it?

Just go to your 360 dashboard and look for it in the inside xbox feature...

[Claire Mclaughlin]

Todd Howard SAID they are doing "major changes to [their] basic technology". That sounds like they're changing the engine up quite a bit.

Indeed he did. I suggest anybody who thinks otherwise go read the first post of this thread.

[michael flanigan]

Just go to your 360 dashboard and look for it in the inside xbox feature...

I have no idea what that means. I guess I need an Xbox 360 first...

[katie TWAVA]

Major changes were also made from Morrowind to Oblivion, but both games were powered by gamebryo.

I have no doubt TESV will look great, but the fact remains that we still have no idea whether those "major changes" will translate to a brand new engine or not.