[louise hamilton]

-Snip-

Thanks, that's exactly what i've been saying for a long time but with a lot of sources and depth to back it up :foodndrink:

A ten-year life-cycle does not mean no new consoles until the 360 and PS3 are ten years old, as the PS2 proves. Expect new consoles to be unveiled as early as E3 2011, most likely E3 or GDC 2012

I still expect TES:V to appear on the current generation because of the issues Bethesda faced with developing for the next-gen too early with Oblivion. It has resulted in Oblivion, FO3, and FO:NV being developed on an inferior engine, and looking significantly worse than comparable games. TES:V on the current-gen with an engine designed to push it to the max will look leaps and bounds better than Oblivion, whilst allowing them time to develop an engine for the next-gen once they have the information they need to get it right this time around.

Could go either way of course, it's all speculation. I'm just speculating that they'll learn from previous problems encountered from this generation, and not repeat the mistakes.

Alright boys, this is what he said on Sent U A Message word for word:

"...apply at Microsoft... book a meeting.. where you can pretend it's all about improving subscriber performance for the next fiscal until you accidentally slip in a question about Elder Scrolls five three-quarters of the way through your 67 slide PowerPoint deck."

*The newest one just came out very recently, and they did not mention Elder Scrolls V.

Sounds to me like they're just as interested in hearing news about TES:V as we are. I doubt a couple of video blog presenters who are hated by 80% of the Xbox Live community have any inside info about top-secret currently unannounced games.

[LADONA]

Ciao tutti!

I repost an OLD INFORMATION, because it seems that NOBODY REMEMBER IT and that's an important stuff, in my opinion:


If we look at the uspto, we see that more or less one month before the announcement of Oblivion, Zenimax Media has registrered this "no word marks":

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78477095
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78478459

And, for Fallout 3, Bethesda Softworks has done the same thing:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77162823


So, for me, there are huge chances that we will see on the uspto one or two no word marks registered with the logo of the game more or less one month before the announcement of TES V...

And so, that "information" gives us the capacity to predict the announcement one month in advance and, for exemple, if two weeks before Quakecon, we don't have any logo registered on the uspto, we can say that the game won't be showcased here...

What do you think?

[Justin Hankins]

Alright boys, this is what he said on Sent U A Message word for word:

"...apply at Microsoft... book a meeting.. where you can pretend it's all about improving subscriber performance for the next fiscal until you accidentally slip in a question about Elder Scrolls five three-quarters of the way through your 67 slide PowerPoint deck."

*The newest one just came out very recently, and they did not mention Elder Scrolls V.

i've started to think they just say these things because of the large number of questions related to tesv they receive every week not necessarily because of any information they have :brokencomputer:

[Roanne Bardsley]

-snip-

I don't know nearly enough about trademarks to know if this holds water, but it certainly does sound interesting.

[~Sylvia~]

If Bethesda had the next generation's SDK, then that's why they reworked their engine in the first place. I don't think we have to worry about optimization this time because Bethesda has a lot more employees and if I remember correctly there was something on the lines of, Bethesda didn't have a full SDK (clarification please?) when developing Oblivion. And there's nothing to worry about anyway if it's poorly optimized, that's why they let us download the construction set .

[Andrew Perry]

snippy snappy

Thats what I've been saying as well about 7th gen life cycles and motion control, and very well put.

It is definitely possible and reasonable. How accurate it is, time will tell, but I favour it.

Will TESV see light on a 7th or 8th gen console? Ehh, too soon to tell, certainly it is possible that we might wait until the 8th gen hardware drops, but I think we need some corroborating signs before we can really put some weight behind that.

[Taylrea Teodor]

Ciao tutti!

I repost an OLD INFORMATION, because it seems that NOBODY REMEMBER IT and that's an important stuff, in my opinion:


If we look at the uspto, we see that more or less one month before the announcement of Oblivion, Zenimax Media has registrered this "no word marks":

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78477095
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78478459

And, for Fallout 3, Bethesda Softworks has done the same thing:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77162823


So, for me, there are huge chances that we will see on the uspto one or two no word marks registered with the logo of the game more or less one month before the announcement of TES V...

And so, that "information" gives us the capacity to predict the announcement one month in advance and, for exemple, if two weeks before Quakecon, we don't have any logo registered on the uspto, we can say that the game won't be showcased here...

What do you think?

This is pretty interesting. At least we have something to keep an eye on now. So long as this extra registration for Oblivion and FO3 wasn't just coincidence, then you're right that it's a hint about an upcoming announcement. That should also be a hint that there's no announcement on the horizon as well though. So it's good news with a pinch of salt.

If Bethesda had the next generation's SDK, then that's why they reworked their engine in the first place. I don't think we have to worry about optimization this time because Bethesda has a lot more employees and if I remember correctly there was something on the lines of, Bethesda didn't have a full SDK (clarification please?) when developing Oblivion. And there's nothing to worry about anyway if it's poorly optimized, that's why they let us download the construction set .

:facepalm: I see why everyone else gave up arguing against you next-gen supporters. I'm done, someone else can take up the torch if they can be bothered.

[Eric Hayes]

Personally, I think that 2012 may be a bit early. Microsoft just unveiled a brand new, redesigned version of the 360, and they will want that, and Kinect, to sell as much as possible before they reveal their next gen hardware. If they announce the next console in 2012, the new Xbox may not have had enough time to sell. I think 2013 would be a good time to announce it.

As for Sony, well, they only started making a profit off of the PS3 a few short months ago. Only a few months of profit after so many years of selling the console! I really, really doubt Sony is very eager to announce a new console after they only just started making a profit on their current one. They could possibly announce it in 2012 though I suppose.

But we all know that Bethesda favors the PC and Xbox. That's just the way Bethesda rolls, and it's flat out wrong to say they don't. They could very well be thinking about making TES V a launch title of the new Xbox and may not even be concerned about Sony's next console.

I'd rather Bethesda release a game now that is optimized for this generation then have another Oblivion that is poorly optimized just so it could be released on a next gen console.

If we don't get an announcement of TES V until after E3 2011, then I will likely start arguing for the next gen theory. But until then, I really doubt it will be released on the next generation of consoles.

[amhain]

Personally, I think that 2012 may be a bit early. Microsoft just unveiled a brand new, redesigned version of the 360, and they will want that, and Kinect, to sell as much as possible before they reveal their next gen hardware. If they announce the next console in 2012, the new Xbox may not have had enough time to sell. I think 2013 would be a good time to announce it.

As for Sony, well, they only started making a profit off of the PS3 a few short months ago. Only a few months of profit after so many years of selling the console! I really, really doubt Sony is very eager to announce a new console after they only just started making a profit on their current one. They could possibly announce it in 2012 though I suppose.

But we all know that Bethesda favors the PC and Xbox. That's just the way Bethesda rolls, and it's flat out wrong to say they don't. They could very well be thinking about making TES V a launch title of the new Xbox and may not even be concerned about Sony's next console.

I'd rather Bethesda release a game now that is optimized for this generation then have another Oblivion that is poorly optimized just so it could be released on a next gen console.

If we don't get an announcement of TES V until after E3 2011, then I will likely start arguing for the next gen theory. But until then, I really doubt it will be released on the next generation of consoles.

Agreed on all points here.

[herrade]

Why bother? If they've released the games on the current systems they won't spend time and cash recoding the exact same game for release on newer systems. By then everybody who wants to play it will have already played it.

Far either to either wait for the next gen consoles (Which are still a few years off) or simply release ESV on current gen and eventually release a brand new game on the next gen.

1.More content
2.better graphics
3.most people that buy oblivion and morrowind get them after the first year and next gen will most likely be out in 2013 and tes v might be out in 2012 so that is only one year and like I said earlier most people buy it after the first year.
4.the xbox 360 was very faulty(anyone know about the red ring of death,thats what broke my 360)so any xbox 360 user(if the 720 fixes these console breaking errors)then they will get the 720 and if they played and liked tes v(for the 360) and didn't go too far into it they would buy the one for the 720(it will give bethesda more money because some xbox 360 players got it in a store and not ebay then bethesda will get more money)so some people(but not all)
5.less bugs
but reason 4 was chancing everything so don't count that or reply to it.Anyway lets stop talking about next gen for now.

[Krystina Proietti]

Interesting. Just from reading the first two pages in this thread I can see the tide has turned or at the very least a lot more people seem more open to the idea of esv on next gen hardware. Couple days ago I only saw one person even consider it being next gen now I see multiple people mentioning it.

[Sara Johanna Scenariste]

Interesting. Just from reading the first two pages in this thread I can see the tide has turned or at the very least a lot more people seem more open to the idea of esv on next gen hardware. Couple days ago I only saw one person even consider it being next gen now I see multiple people mentioning it.

Its conceivable as Bethesda makes some strange choices. If they want TESV to be a launch title on the XBox720/PS4 they can probably afford to do so. This is the problem with private companies. They tend to be unpredictable. One person's wishes become a corporate agenda. And Beth has pretty much writ it stone that 'we will not accounce a title until we have something to show'. Its all guessing what they will do and why.

[Veronica Martinez]

From the business standpoint, it doesn't make any sense for Bethesda to release TESV on next gen platforms considering that so far it has been implied that it would be released very early in the life of the platform. Xbox 360 and PS3 are far more widespread than the new consoles will be in their first two years. Thus the game sales will be hurt tremendously if Bethesda releases TESV only on the new consoles. Which brings us to a new theory. If indeed bethesda is waiting for next generation to release TESV perhaps it will still produce the game for the current gen too.

[Bek Rideout]

Interesting. Just from reading the first two pages in this thread I can see the tide has turned or at the very least a lot more people seem more open to the idea of esv on next gen hardware. Couple days ago I only saw one person even consider it being next gen now I see multiple people mentioning it.

What? This thread has been full of "TES V is coming on next gen" posts from dozens of people in the past few days, there was never only one rebellious young soul supporting it in a crowd of naysayers as you're making it out to be. Considering it's been impossible to have a discussion in this thread that wasn't about the next gen argument lately it's no wonder more people are open to the idea, it's the only way we'll ever get this thread on track again.

[Latisha Fry]

Ciao tutti!

I repost an OLD INFORMATION, because it seems that NOBODY REMEMBER IT and that's an important stuff, in my opinion:


If we look at the uspto, we see that more or less one month before the announcement of Oblivion, Zenimax Media has registrered this "no word marks":

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78477095
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78478459

And, for Fallout 3, Bethesda Softworks has done the same thing:

http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77162823


So, for me, there are huge chances that we will see on the uspto one or two no word marks registered with the logo of the game more or less one month before the announcement of TES V...

And so, that "information" gives us the capacity to predict the announcement one month in advance and, for exemple, if two weeks before Quakecon, we don't have any logo registered on the uspto, we can say that the game won't be showcased here...

What do you think?

Excellent find! You are exactly right and I completely forgot about this little phenomenon. I wouldn't go so far as to say its absence would exclude the possibility of an announcement, but its appearance would strongly suggest an announcement is imminent.

Interesting. Just from reading the first two pages in this thread I can see the tide has turned or at the very least a lot more people seem more open to the idea of esv on next gen hardware. Couple days ago I only saw one person even consider it being next gen now I see multiple people mentioning it.

Perhaps I might be able to frame this next-gen discussion in another light that reconciles our differences. Regardless of next-gen or not, I fully expect TES:V to be released near 2012 (1st quarter 2012 at the earliest and 1st quarter 2013 at the latest). If the next-gen systems show up within that timeline, then under that circumstance I can certainly support a next-gen release. If the next-gen consoles don't show up, then the game would still be released around 2012 on current-gen. In other words, it isn't so much the release of the next-gen consoles that will determine when TES:V is released (for the most part). Of course, if the game's planned release falls within a few months of the next-gen release then I could see the potential of a slight delay, but nothing more than a year for sure. Therefore, the apt discussion ought not to surround next-gen releases but around TES:V itself; all next-gen discussions are only secondary to it.

The next-gen supporters here are receiving so much flak because there's an insinuation that TES:V's release is directly dictated by the next-gen consoles and therefore purposely delayed for a long while - which in turn perhaps compels those who cannot bear the thought of a delay to refute it. Framing the discussion around TES:V, without the assumed dependence upon next-gen, will decrease the hostility and bring this thread back around to the topic that ought to be discussion: TES:V.

[Sarah Bishop]

What? This thread has been full of "TES V is coming on next gen" posts from dozens of people in the past few days, there was never only one rebellious young soul supporting it in a crowd of naysayers as you're making it out to be. Considering it's been impossible to have a discussion in this thread that wasn't about the next gen argument lately it's no wonder more people are open to the idea, it's the only way we'll ever get this thread on track again.

No offense. Honestly. But what 'track' were we ever on? Its all 'speculation'. Next gen consoles are an element that bears consideration. Its no less relevent than the trademark speculation or tweets. Only thing I'm sure of is TESV has not been released yet. Beyond that...

[Lindsay Dunn]

No offense. Honestly. But what 'track' were we ever on? Its all 'speculation'. Next gen consoles are an element that bares consideration. Its no less relevent than the trademark speculation or tweets. Only thing I'm sure of is TESV has not been released yet. Beyond that...

Consideration yes, but consoles shouldn't be the discussion itself.

[Fanny Rouyé]

Bethesda is not waiting for the next generation to release their game. We're probably two years from release, maximum, and the Xbox 360 is going to remain profitable in two years, and obviously since the PS3 just became profitable, they are not going to announce a new console any time soon.

I speculate on it being released for late current gen, but I don't really care because I'll be playing it on PC

[Liv Staff]

No offense. Honestly. But what 'track' were we ever on? Its all 'speculation'. Next gen consoles are an element that bears consideration. Its no less relevent than the trademark speculation or tweets. Only thing I'm sure of is TESV has not been released yet. Beyond that...

But there isn't anything to speculate on regarding next gen consoles. We know even less about them than we do TES V. It's all guessing, and while yes, that's all we do in this thread, I feel we should go back to guessing about the game itself instead of guessing about which year the next generation of consoles will be released when none of us know for sure when that will happen. Now if someone posted a link saying "Microsoft says they will announce next gen console at E3 2011," then okay, that'd definitely be something to talk about, but right now we know nothing more than educated guesses.

[Kelly Tomlinson]

Would customers spend money on a new Xbox when there's probably going to be a lot of great games already coming out on the 360 when the next Xbox is just released?

It's hard for me to see another Xbox becoming a major seller when better and better games are coming out for the 360 and PS3.

[Eilidh Brian]

Would customers spend money on a new Xbox when there's probably going to be a lot of great games already coming out on the 360 when the next Xbox is just released?

It's hard for me to see another Xbox becoming a major seller when better and better games are coming out.

In addition, why would both Sony and Microsoft be releasing new peripherals that must have cost them a lot of money to research and develop if they're going to be obsolete in 2 or so years? No, I expect this generation will last a rather long time, and not just shelf life like the PS2. I mean we won't SEE the next generation for a while. Probably 3 or more years.

Its clearly an attempt to increase the lifespan of their consoles, and that's why, as long as TES V is already being made (its a different issue if it isn't being made, but then again, what the hell have they been doing all these years? Watching Hulu?), it should come out for this generation.

[Paul Rice]

Hey Bipp I got a new theory for ya

The Confoundus Theory (Khal_of_the_sands' theory) gamesas will try something completely new and unpredictable for the game announcement
To keep up with past traditions of surprise and secrey, TES: V will be announced in a place no one will be looking.
Possible places that announcement may take place include, but are not limited to the following:

• Magazines or articles which aren't watched very carefully
  
• Foreign magazines (magazines outside of the USA and Europe)
  
• Law articles and magazines (a tribute to the hard-work of TES: V speculators)
  
• Comic, fantasy, sci-fi and other conventions (any place a geek or gamer has a chance of appearing)
  
• A bulletin on the door of gamesas offices HQ
  
• Sports channel commercials

The basis of the theory is that TES: V will come out in a way which no one will expect.

[Unstoppable Judge]

am i the only person who seems to think the next ES book will have something to do with TES:V? i think we'll get announcement in the book itself, or is that possible? i know beth would have to put it on their website or announce it before it comes out in GI but would they have to do that if the book they're announceing it in is owned by them?

[Mistress trades Melissa]

No way that the TES V will be released for the next generation. Kaz Hirai, president of Sony, reecntly said that the lifespan of PS3 would be 10 years for this generation. Which means 2016. Microsoft just recently released a new Xbox 360. Now keep in mind that Microsoft is likely to release their next gen before Sony, so probably around 2014/2015. And if Bethesda is going to produce TES V for next gen, they would have to wait for the PS4, in 2016, because they would rather have a multiplatform game. Bethesda will release TES V for this generation for shure.

[Sabrina garzotto]

No way that the TES V will be released for the next generation. Kaz Hirai, president of Sony, reecntly said that the lifespan of PS3 would be 10 years for this generation. Which means 2016. Microsoft just recently released a new Xbox 360. Now keep in mind that Microsoft is likely to release their next gen before Sony, so probably around 2014/2015. And if Bethesda is going to produce TES V for next gen, they would have to wait for the PS4, in 2016, because they would rather have a multiplatform game. Bethesda will release TES V for this generation for shure.

good point, but couldnt they just port it over like they did with the PS3? they originally released oblivion for the Xbox 360 and PC and later ported it over to the PS3 when it was released