[Amiee Kent]

I am sorry to say Oblivion did show symptoms of the early release syndrome that many games suffer. Beth really should have withheld the release another six months to do some final polishing. A good example of them rushing is the purple horses with no reins and the stability problems in the early builds.

Was Oblivion really unstable at one point?

[Annika Marziniak]

Was Oblivion really unstable at one point?

I remember having many crashes in the early days.

[sarah taylor]

Was Oblivion really unstable at one point?

I don't remember Oblivion having any significant stability issues.

As for the silence after GOTY releases in the past, I don't see anything useful that can be derived from it. First, there really doesn't seem to be much of a consistent pattern, which leaves us with little reasonable expectation. Finally, GOTY editions have got to be the easiest releases for a dev team. It shouldn't require much in the way of manpower. The bulk of the work has already been done. Really all that's required is compiling together all the latest updates and content into a single build. If anything, most of the work involved in a GOTY release falls on the publisher's shoulders and not BGS. GOTY editions have always been, in my mind, just a milking of the market.

[Oceavision]

I don't remember Oblivion having any significant stability issues.

As for the silence after GOTY releases in the past, I don't see anything useful that can be derived from it. First, there really doesn't seem to be much of a consistent pattern, which leaves us with little reasonable expectation. Finally, GOTY editions have got to be the easiest releases for a dev team. It shouldn't require much in the way of manpower. The bulk of the work has already been done. Really all that's required is compiling together all the latest updates and content into a single build. If anything, most of the work involved in a GOTY release falls on the publisher's shoulders and not BGS. GOTY editions have always been, in my mind, just a milking of the market.

I disagree, the GOTY edition enables you to have the downloadble content on hand anytime you want..

[P PoLlo]

I don't remember Oblivion having any significant stability issues.

As for the silence after GOTY releases in the past, I don't see anything useful that can be derived from it. First, there really doesn't seem to be much of a consistent pattern, which leaves us with little reasonable expectation. Finally, GOTY editions have got to be the easiest releases for a dev team. It shouldn't require much in the way of manpower. The bulk of the work has already been done. Really all that's required is compiling together all the latest updates and content into a single build. If anything, most of the work involved in a GOTY release falls on the publisher's shoulders and not BGS. GOTY editions have always been, in my mind, just a milking of the market.

The only point I am trying to make is that people are severely frustrated with the "silent treatment", and yet it is BGS policy to be silent. I wanted to express that the longest period of time that BGS had remained silent was 16 months. Since we've a long way to go before we hit that mark, I'd say that this period of silence is not unusually, abnormally, or absurdly long and by BGS standards, quite reasonable. It's quite early to expect any word right now if the past droughts are any indication.

It has nothing to do with what the devs are doing (my statement that is, as obviously the length of the drought depends on the completeness of the game). No special wisdom is sought or derived nor any future date established, but I can find some comfort in the fact that it really is only a short while since the drought has begun, whilst compared to the longest that they've had.

[Jonathan Windmon]

I personally hope to look at some sort of announcement at Quakecon 2010. This is where Doom 4 will be announced, according to an id statement at Quakecon 2008, so it would be natural to make some announcement then... or would it?

If Beth announces TES V at Quakecon 2010 it may overshadow the announcement for Doom 4.

Todd and Pete love to state that there "are no plans for TES V at the moment" but any fool with a brain knows that it is in the works. It's just that... we want proof. We would be content with a simple screenie that said TES V in big letters. This is kind of like when I asked Squenix if they were working on a new Parasite Eve and they said no. Within the next two months a new P.E. game was revealed in G.I. for the PSP. Squenix lied. Bethesda lies! It's being worked on, be patient.

[Racheal Robertson]

I disagree, the GOTY edition enables you to have the downloadble content on hand anytime you want..

I wasn't making a qualitative statement about the usefulness of the GOTY version itself, only about the the usefulness of using the past timeframes between a GOTY release and the next game's announcement.

The only point I am trying to make is that people are severely frustrated with the "silent treatment", and yet it is BGS policy to be silent. I wanted to express that the longest period of time that BGS had remained silent was 16 months. Since we've a long way to go before we hit that mark, I'd say that this period of silence is not unusually, abnormally, or absurdly long and by BGS standards, quite reasonable. It's quite early to expect any word right now if the past droughts are any indication.

It has nothing to do with what the devs are doing (my statement that is, as obviously the length of the drought depends on the completeness of the game). No special wisdom is sought or derived nor any future date established, but I can find some comfort in the fact that it really is only a short while since the drought has begun, whilst compared to the longest that they've had.

This approach is perfectly agreeable in my opinion. It seemed that others were attempting to derive something deeper.

[Mackenzie]

This approach is perfectly agreeable in my opinion. It seemed that others were attempting to derive something deeper.

I certainly wasn't, I was simply trying to clarify the difference between "the last time we've heard from Bethesda" and "the last time we got content from Bethesda." I see no meaning in the length of time between the GOTY edition release and now. As I've said many times before, trying to find patterns in Bethesda's history and using it to predict TES V is futile. Patterns give us straws to grasp at but the fact is that due to Fallout 3 being worked on after Oblivion we have no idea when TES V will come out. In the past Bethesda started work on the next TES game as soon as they were finished with the last one but now that they have two IPs to manage we have no idea when they started working on TES V and when they will announce it.

[Georgine Lee]

If Beth announces TES V at Quakecon 2010 it may overshadow the announcement for Doom 4.

How does one overshadow an announcement? There's no doubt in my mind that there is a large group of Doom fans somewhere that want Doom to be announced as badly as we want TES:V to be announced. Plus you don't have to sell an announcement, you only have to sell the game, Doom is certain to sell well whenever it is released. That being said, I still don't think it is likely that TES:V will be announced at Quakecon, at this point we will just have to wait and see because we have next to nothing that can back up our theory regarding an announcement at Quakecon.

And I can't find the post to quote but TES:V is not vaporware and it is way to early to even suggest such a ridiculous assumption.

[Jonathan Egan]

How does one overshadow an announcement? There's no doubt in my mind that there is a large group of Doom fans somewhere that want Doom to be announced as badly as we want TES:V to be announced. Plus you don't have to sell an announcement, you only have to sell the game, Doom is certain to sell well whenever it is released. That being said, I still don't think it is likely that TES:V will be announced at Quakecon, at this point we will just have to wait and see because we have next to nothing that can back up our theory regarding an announcement at Quakecon.

And I can't find the post to quote but TES:V is not vaporware and it is way to early to even suggest such a ridiculous assumption.

I never stated that TES:V was vaporware, I merely stated ( in not so many words) that it is being worked on but Bethesda is being quiet and to be patient. Companies do this all the time, case in point my example with Square-Enix and Parasite Eve.

There are still two major conventions coming up that Bethesda is attending, Quakecon and PAX, where anything could happen.

[xemmybx]

I never stated that TES:V was vaporware, I merely stated ( in not so many words) that it is being worked on but Bethesda is being quiet and to be patient. Companies do this all the time, case in point my example with Square-Enix and Parasite Eve.

No not you, I was referring to someone who said that it was going to become Duke Nukem but I couldn't find the post for the life of me. That had nothing to do with the above post which was directed at you. Sorry for the confusion.

[Guinevere Wood]

No not you, I was referring to someone who said that it was going to become Duke Nukem but I couldn't find the post for the life of me. That had nothing to do with the above post which was directed at you. Sorry for the confusion.

At the beginning of this thread or the previous one some people claimed it wouldn't happen. For whatever reason and despite explicit statements to the contrary.

Anyways, they aren't at ComicCon (I just looked). I didn't actually think they would be, but it couldn't hurt to check. I'm reasonably sure it'll be at QuakeCon, myself.

[FITTAS]

54 threads, 10,800 post of speculation, and still not a lick closer to knowing anything whatsoever about TES:V. Bethesda sure is good at one thing, being quiet. Sheesh.

[Emma-Jane Merrin]

*sigh*

Just got the my new GI with Dragon Age 2 on the cover. Depression mode

[Jack Bryan]

*sigh*

Just got the my new GI with Dragon Age 2 on the cover. Depression mode

Hey just:
23 days until QuakeCon
21 days until the next cover is revealed
11 days until a Skyrim trademark dies
3 days until...

hehe... we determined none of these things matter any more, well at least as far as getting your hopes up is concerned. It would be best at this point to find a nice zen place - enter the calm... ahhh there ya go Now you can wait, in peace . . .

please don't ask what happens in 3 days, I like hyperbole

[Gemma Woods Illustration]

54 threads, 10,800 post of speculation, and still not a lick closer to knowing anything whatsoever about TES:V. Bethesda sure is good at one thing, being quiet. Sheesh.

More than that because before the TES V Speculation Thread, there were about 25 threads of "When and if We'll get TESV"

[I love YOu]

More than that because before the TES V Speculation Thread, there were about 25 threads of "When and if We'll get TESV"

Nah there's only been 54, the Speculation Thread just had it's named changed to that for a while. It was still the same topic though. Unless I'm mistaken...

[vicki kitterman]

Nah there's only been 54, the Speculation Thread just had it's named changed to that for a while. It was still the same topic though. Unless I'm mistaken...

You're right, I checked. Hopefully it doesn't reach 100 though.

[Lily Evans]

Nah there's only been 54, the Speculation Thread just had it's named changed to that for a while. It was still the same topic though. Unless I'm mistaken...

I think your right, the name of the game has changed, but the game remained the same, so when do we get the next game?

[herrade]

I kinda drew a connection between, "we want word of TES5" and Blizzard.
If they released word of TES 5 now. They night give us the StarCraft 2 treatment.
When weas that first gameplay video of protoss released? 2005, I think? And they said that they had been working on it since 2003. If bethesda announces now and they are not ready we'll have to wait five years or so being fed the occasional gamplay video, screenshot, or FAQ. I don't know about you but i found the wait for Sc2 painful.

[Dean]

I kinda drew a connection between, "we want word of TES5" and Blizzard.
If they released word of TES 5 now. They night give us the StarCraft 2 treatment.
When weas that first gameplay video of protoss released? 2005, I think? And they said that they had been working on it since 2003. If bethesda announces now and they are not ready we'll have to wait five years or so being fed the occasional gamplay video, screenshot, or FAQ. I don't know about you but i found the wait for Sc2 painful.

My Freshmen year...now a month after I graduated it comes about, talk about "Hell, its about time!" lol

[Paula Ramos]

Was Oblivion really unstable at one point?

ALL games are unstable at some point (ugh, even beta's can svck. When they pay you for focus testing they do it for a reason).

Also I'm just here to add to the useless inanity until it's announced. \m/ METAL \m/

[Raymond J. Ramirez]

You're right, I checked. Hopefully it doesn't reach 100 though.

If one more GI cover is hyped I am sure that it can reach more than 100 in less than a day.

[Adam Porter]

Perhaps I'm fanning a fire here but... I just checked out Bioware's 'Games' webpage to see a list of current and upcoming games. In their Upcoming list are three entries:

Mass Effect 2 (presumably DLC)
Star Wars: The Old Republic
New Next Gen Game

That's very interesting. SDKs are very likely available for the next-generation of consoles if Bioware is not just making a next-gen game, but is very open about doing so. I suppose if Bioware is already developing for future consoles, then there's another argument for the 'TES:V is for the next-gen' camp. I'm still on the fence about the idea, and optimistically hoping for a current-gen release.

For those of you interested, here's the http://www.bioware.com/games/.

[Alyce Argabright]

Perhaps I'm fanning a fire here but... I just checked out Bioware's 'Games' webpage to see a list of current and upcoming games. In their Upcoming list are three entries:

Mass Effect 2 (presumably DLC)
Star Wars: The Old Republic
New Next Gen Game

That's very interesting. SDKs are very likely available for the next-generation of consoles if Bioware is not just making a next-gen game, but is very open about doing so. I suppose if Bioware is already developing for future consoles, then there's another argument for the 'TES:V is for the next-gen' camp. I'm still on the fence about the idea, and optimistically hoping for a current-gen release.

For those of you interested, here's the http://www.bioware.com/games/.

Maybe they are making a Kinect/Move game, I doubt SDKs are available, and if they were I would think that we would have heard a little bit more about the next gen of consoles. But thats just my opinion, I don't remember any details of the current generation when it came out.