[Mélida Brunet]

It is for sure going to be ID.

ah ok, well i guess thats a good thing, more likely theyre working on TESV then

[Philip Lyon]

Im glad ID is doing it too. I think Bethesda should stick to open world RPGs. It is definitely their forte.

[Len swann]

All you have to do is look at the title of these threads... "Official TES V Speculation Thread."

Everyone is speculating in different ways... this thread isn't "official thread for provable information about TES:V." If you don't like whats happening in this thread, post in another one.

Speculation ≠ guesswork, and guesswork ≠ theory

What is being called "theory" in this thread is nothing more than guesswork. Speculation is taking what we can derive from what has been said by Beth or anyone who works for them, and using that knowledge to try to find the most likely release date and/or other information about the game. That is what this thread is for, presumably. And the "theories" being proposed do not adhere to this procedure. Ergo, I feel they do not belong in this thread.

I fully believe another ES game will come. I feel confident in this because in some way or another, Beth and many of their most prominent members have said that they intend on making it. But I cannot derive from their statements and semblance of a likely release date, so any date I can come up with is pure guesswork. I can apply certain past trends such as the months that they most often use to announce material or the amount of time between each release and subsequent announcement, and from that information I can come up with some conjecture as to when they may release the game, but that is still just guesswork.

My speculation is that another game will come. There are several pieces of evidence to support this belief.

My guess is that it will come in 2012, and be announced sometime in the next 3-9 months. I have no real evidence to support this guess. I just base it off of patterns I see in their past releases and the fact that they are working on something, and that it's been a couple of years since FO3, and the unofficial "potential Elder Scrolls title in 2010" comment from a while back. Based on these things I think it is likely that TES V is in the works and has been for at least two years, probably longer. And if this is the case then I don't see them waiting another year or more before announcing the game unless it is more massive than I expect it to be. Once they announce it I figure there will be a year to a year-and-a-half of waiting time before the release.

[Samantha Mitchell]

Come on Dark One lets drop it. BTW, are you the Dark One from TESNEXUS?

[SexyPimpAss]

To be perfectly honest, despite many attempts, I have never been able to read through the entire "List of theories." Every time I get halfway though I feel a sort of embarrassment, and think to myself "Really? Really?" and just forget about it. I'm sorry but we lasted, what, more than a year without these "theories," and this list being here changes nothing. The only purpose it serves is to lengthen the epeen of those who wanted their name listed somewhere. Most of the regulars here are aware of the only legitimate theory, which is "It will be announced when it's announced," and making any other theories is ultimately pointless.

I would be extremely happy if that theory list was no longer posted in this thread. It's honestly just embarrassing to those of us who have been here for more than one or two months.

[Andres Lechuga]

To be perfectly honest, despite many attempts, I have never been able to read through the entire "List of theories." Every time I get halfway though I feel a sort of embarrassment, and think to myself "Really? Really?" and just forget about it. I'm sorry but we lasted, what, more than a year without these "theories," and this list being here changes nothing. The only purpose it serves is to lengthen the epeen of those who wanted their name listed somewhere. Most of the regulars here are aware of the only legitimate theory, which is "It will be announced when it's announced," and making any other theories is ultimately pointless.

I would be extremely happy if that theory list was no longer posted in this thread. It's honestly just embarrassing to those of us who have been here for more than one or two months."

Yep. Especially after people started arguing that their "theory" should be renamed "fact".

[Hannah Whitlock]

I can't make heads or tails of the QC line-up posted by Gstaff, but this bit really gets my hopes up:

‘Building Immersive Worlds and Stories’ Panel
Emil Pagliarulo

What could be more immersive and story telling than {Emil from Game Studios } TESV? :hehe:

@Milt

Glad to see you're still active! Long time.

[Tyrel]

Speculation ≠ guesswork, and guesswork ≠ theory

What is being called "theory" in this thread is nothing more than guesswork. Speculation is taking what we can derive from what has been said by Beth or anyone who works for them, and using that knowledge to try to find the most likely release date and/or other information about the game. That is what this thread is for, presumably. And the "theories" being proposed do not adhere to this procedure. Ergo, I feel they do not belong in this thread.

I fully believe another ES game will come. I feel confident in this because in some way or another, Beth and many of their most prominent members have said that they intend on making it. But I cannot derive from their statements and semblance of a likely release date, so any date I can come up with is pure guesswork. I can apply certain past trends such as the months that they most often use to announce material or the amount of time between each release and subsequent announcement, and from that information I can come up with some conjecture as to when they may release the game, but that is still just guesswork.

My speculation is that another game will come. There are several pieces of evidence to support this belief.

My guess is that it will come in 2012, and be announced sometime in the next 3-9 months. I have no real evidence to support this guess. I just base it off of patterns I see in their past releases and the fact that they are working on something, and that it's been a couple of years since FO3, and the unofficial "potential Elder Scrolls title in 2010" comment from a while back. Based on these things I think it is likely that TES V is in the works and has been for at least two years, probably longer. And if this is the case then I don't see them waiting another year or more before announcing the game unless it is more massive than I expect it to be. Once they announce it I figure there will be a year to a year-and-a-half of waiting time before the release.

Main Entry: speculation
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: theory, guess
Synonyms: belief, brainwork, cerebration, cogitation, conjecture, consideration, contemplation, deliberation, excogitation, guesstimate, guesswork, hunch, hypothesis, meditation, opinion, reflection, review, shot, shot in the dark, sneaking suspicion, stab, stab in the dark, studying, supposition, surmise, thinking, thought, weighing
Antonyms: fact, information, reality, truth

That's from the thesarus part of dictionary.com

If you don't like what's going on in this forum than you don't have to be a part of it...

[lillian luna]

Main Entry: speculation
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: theory, guess
Synonyms: belief, brainwork, cerebration, cogitation, conjecture, consideration, contemplation, deliberation, excogitation, guesstimate, guesswork, hunch, hypothesis, meditation, opinion, reflection, review, shot, shot in the dark, sneaking suspicion, stab, stab in the dark, studying, supposition, surmise, thinking, thought, weighing
Antonyms: fact, information, reality, truth

That's from the thesarus part of dictionary.com

If you don't like what's going on in this forum than you don't have to be a part of it...

Thesauruses (especially the one from reference.com, which isn't even an official dictionary/thesaurus but rather a tool for non-professional writers) are not designed to give words that are exact synonyms because that would be pointless. In standard spoken English, the words "theory," "speculation," "conjecture," and "guesswork" are semantically similar enough that you can substitute one of another without making a drastic difference in meaning. But when you start referring to unsupported guesswork as credible theories and using them as guidelines to predict the future then there is a big difference, and anyone who works in a professional field where science/vocabulary are worth anything will tell you this.

I am not trying to start a big argument here; I'm being quite civil as far as I can tell. I have a simple request and a pretty good reasoning as to why it should be heard. You're response is to engage in a debate over semantics, with your primary support being a reference website designed for non-professional writers. This does not even address my original concern, that the "theories" are annoying and that they detract from the original purpose of these threads.

And in response to your last line: please, get real. If I didn't like this forum I would leave. I love being a part of the discussions here, and it's great to be privy to new information as it becomes available. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to suggest that something is changed, especially when the suggestion is aimed toward my peers and not the forum's staff. You act as if this is the way things have always been. Well it's not, as AntiBody has also attested to. The moderators did not make this thread for people to post their "theories" in. That just happened, recently. And I don't think it should continue, as I've already explained why. I hope you understand now where I'm coming from.

[Sophie Payne]

It is also where you post your theories of when you think it might come out based on guesses, number crunching, rumors or such.

I'm not trying to continue the argument (or discussion), but telling people to start a new thread when they are perfectly valid in what they are doing is not a good idea, especially when the moderators make it a point to only have one speculation topic and lock any others that relate.

[Roberta Obrien]

I'm not trying to continue the argument (or discussion), but telling people to start a new thread when they are perfectly valid in what they are doing is not a good idea, especially when the moderators make it a point to only have one speculation topic and lock any others that relate.

I brought it up to suggest that they be moved elsewhere. I realize that as of now this is the best place for them, but I maintain that this isn't where they belong and they should either be done away with, made private (i.e. on individual's profiles), or designated to a new thread. And I'm not telling people to do anything, I'm just making a request. I do not presume to have the authority to tell anyone here what they can or cannot do.

And yes you're right that this probably should not be continued. Not here at any rate. I've said my piece and I hope the staff consider what I've brought up, and notice that I'm not the only one who feels this way. It was not my intention to derail this thread, and now I will refrain from taking it any further off topic. If anyone has anything to say to me personally my PM box is open. :thumbsup:

[Bee Baby]

Thesauruses (especially the one from reference.com, which isn't even an official dictionary/thesaurus but rather a tool for non-professional writers) are not designed to give words that are exact synonyms because that would be pointless. In standard spoken English, the words "theory," "speculation," "conjecture," and "guesswork" are semantically similar enough that you can substitute one of another without making a drastic difference in meaning. But when you start referring to unsupported guesswork as credible theories and using them as guidelines to predict the future then there is a big difference, and anyone who works in a professional field where science/vocabulary are worth anything will tell you this.

I am not trying to start a big argument here; I'm being quite civil as far as I can tell. I have a simple request and a pretty good reasoning as to why it should be heard. You're response is to engage in a debate over semantics, with your primary support being a reference website designed for non-professional writers. This does not even address my original concern, that the "theories" are annoying and that they detract from the original purpose of these threads.

And in response to your last line: please, get real. If I didn't like this forum I would leave. I love being a part of the discussions here, and it's great to be privy to new information as it becomes available. But that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to suggest that something is changed, especially when the suggestion is aimed toward my peers and not the forum's staff. You act as if this is the way things have always been. Well it's not, as AntiBody has also attested to. The moderators did not make this thread for people to post their "theories" in. That just happened, recently. And I don't think it should continue, as I've already explained why. I hope you understand now where I'm coming from.

"This does not even address my original concern, that the "theories" are annoying and that they detract from the original purpose of these threads."

I'm sorry if this sounds uncivil, but the only annoying thing around here is you. You sir, are the one detracting from the purpose of this thread. Since you posted your complaint, this thread has been completely sidetracked. I haven't been here all that long, so I don't know about this so called "original purpose" that these threads used to have. What I do know is the current purpose of this thread. Read the first page...

"This thread is for member speculation of when and if TES V will be released. This is where you post any new information about when it might be released, tidbits from interviews which mention it and such. It is also where you post your theories of when you think it might come out based on guesses, number crunching, rumors or such."

You say you're not trying to start a big argument here, but that's all you seem to have accomplished. You've done nothing but come on here, throw some big words around, act like a smarty pants, and distract everybody. If you have nothing else to say about The Elder Scrolls V, don't say anything at all...

That being said, I speculate/guess/theorize that Elder Scrolls V will be announced at QuakeCon during the Building Blockbusters panel.

[Liii BLATES]

Dude, Dark One has decided to drop it. He obviously does not want to argue with you guys anymore. And ummm... this is a good thing dude. So... the next move is yours.

[Anna Kyselova]

Dude, Dark One has decided to drop it. He obviously does not want to argue with you guys anymore. And ummm... this is a good thing dude. So... the next move is yours.

Yeah, everyone can it. Let's get back to the speculation.

I speculate that there will be no QuakeCon announcement.

[Dan Endacott]

I think bethesda will announce it a few days before the second novels release.

[Marquis deVille]

Yeah, and I think that Deathmark brand, that was registered by Zenimax one or two years ago will be next game from Bethesda. Why? Because this is my speculation, my brain made some more or less logical theory. Or maybe something better... Zenimax will be coworking with Blizzard! It's the same level of speculation that we have here for last few days. C'mon people D4rk 0ne has a right.

[Becky Palmer]

Anyone who remembers about that someone at Bethesda said that they were aiming to publish four big titles a year? I think that after maybe one or two games have been released, Bethesda will announce a new one, so we'll have to rule out which ones it can be. Personally I think it can be Doom 4, ES V or Prey 2 (please add more if you know any other title).

[Setal Vara]

Anyways I found a Russian article with quotes that may be new or old or fake.
Feast for your own eyes, I dont know the answers.

http://mgnews.ru/read-news/todd-howard-o-the-elder-scrolls-5-1007311006

It's new, and it's not fake. It's excerpts from an interview Todd Howard with Industry Gamers.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/bethesdas-todd-howard-on-rpg-development-3d-not-supporting-nintendo-and-more/

To me this part echoes the same sentiments as the 'http://bethblog.com/index.php/2010/06/03/about-game-development-broken-windows/' bethblog post, that they are focusing on making their games more polished technically. Given the recent dates of these two pieces, maybe they've been doing a lot of game code development recently? Hopefully it's ESV.

IG: The hypothetical one that will hopefully, probably, be coming... can you talk a little bit in retrospect, looking at Oblivion, at some of the things that maybe you’d like to address in that game for the next one if there is a next one? Or maybe things that got cut out of that game that you wanted to include?

TH: You always have a million of them. I think one of the challenges… see now you’re making me think back to Oblivion. One of the big things in my memory that flavored that game was the move to the 360 and the new hardware. It was all so new and there was a lot of gameplay changes along with that. How are people going to experience this kind of game? There were a lot of technical hurdles, and we’ve gotten a bit better at managing that. I don’t know how that would translate to a future Elder Scrolls. With anything we’re doing, whether it’s Oblivion or Fallout 3, we like to start fresh as much as possible; I know I’m going off in the weeds on this answer. You spend a lot of time trying to design a game, but then also deal with all new technology. We’re trying to, going forward, find a better balance between those two, so that we’re not just satisfied with something working.

[Vivien]

To be perfectly honest, despite many attempts, I have never been able to read through the entire "List of theories." Every time I get halfway though I feel a sort of embarrassment, and think to myself "Really? Really?" and just forget about it. I'm sorry but we lasted, what, more than a year without these "theories," and this list being here changes nothing. The only purpose it serves is to lengthen the epeen of those who wanted their name listed somewhere. Most of the regulars here are aware of the only legitimate theory, which is "It will be announced when it's announced," and making any other theories is ultimately pointless.

I would be extremely happy if that theory list was no longer posted in this thread. It's honestly just embarrassing to those of us who have been here for more than one or two months.

Although you refuted my first post, you just proved my point spot on.
"Most of the regulars here are aware of the only legitimate theory, which is "It will be announced when it's announced," and making any other theories is ultimately pointless."
That's exactly what I was saying. That's why this thread serves no purpose until we know something, which we don't.
People can use this thread to bump post count so easily because any ridiculous nonsense anyone wants to spew, like, "I SPECULATE TES:V WILL BE IN SPACE WITH KLINGONS" is an acceptable post because hell, that's just as much a theory as "TES:V will be in Skyrim". That's what's ridiculous about it. Klingons in space sounds a bit more reasonable than some of the things you all come up with, too. Going on and on about Twitter post from devs your stalking, finding hidden messages in records being played backwards. :rolleyes:
Twitter update from Todd Howard!
"Ugh..just got up. Time for breakfast. Toast and eggs!"
Forum Member 1: "...oh god...OH GOD"
Forum Member 2: "TODD JUST MADE A TWEET OMFG"
Forum Member 3: "HE SAID HE JUST GOT UP, CYRODILL HAS A MORNING AND NIGHT!!! HIDDEN MESSAGE?@?!?!!??!"
Forum Member 4: "YOU GUYS ARE FORGETTING THE MAIN PART; HE SAID TOAST AND EGGS, CYRODILL HAS WHEAT AND CHICKENS, FFS HAS ANYONE READ THE LAST TES NOVEL DOES IT MENTION TOAST AND EGGS?!?!?!?!?!"
For God's sake. People keep asking me why I keep coming back here, it's because I hope that maybe, just maybe, something new will be brought to the table that's sound, and logical, not this ridiculous twitter feedback from what appear to be crack fiends.

[kitten maciver]

people are starting to take this thread too seriously, calm down.

[Joey Bel]

Although you refuted my first post, you just proved my point spot on.
"Most of the regulars here are aware of the only legitimate theory, which is "It will be announced when it's announced," and making any other theories is ultimately pointless."
That's exactly what I was saying. That's why this thread serves no purpose until we know something, which we don't.
People can use this thread to bump post count so easily because any ridiculous nonsense anyone wants to spew, like, "I SPECULATE TES:V WILL BE IN SPACE WITH KLINGONS" is an acceptable post because hell, that's just as much a theory as "TES:V will be in Skyrim". That's what's ridiculous about it. Klingons in space sounds a bit more reasonable than some of the things you all come up with, too. Going on and on about Twitter post from devs your stalking, finding hidden messages in records being played backwards. :rolleyes:
Twitter update from Todd Howard!
"Ugh..just got up. Time for breakfast. Toast and eggs!"
Forum Member 1: "...oh god...OH GOD"
Forum Member 2: "TODD JUST MADE A TWEET OMFG"
Forum Member 3: "HE SAID HE JUST GOT UP, CYRODILL HAS A MORNING AND NIGHT!!! HIDDEN MESSAGE?@?!?!!??!"
Forum Member 4: "YOU GUYS ARE FORGETTING THE MAIN PART; HE SAID TOAST AND EGGS, CYRODILL HAS WHEAT AND CHICKENS, FFS HAS ANYONE READ THE LAST TES NOVEL DOES IT MENTION TOAST AND EGGS?!?!?!?!?!"
For God's sake. People keep asking me why I keep coming back here, it's because I hope that maybe, just maybe, something new will be brought to the table that's sound, and logical, not this ridiculous twitter feedback from what appear to be crack fiends.

I don't disagree with you. This thread doesn't serve any real purpose apart from pointless speculation. However, a purpose this thread does serve is to keep all of the speculations contained in a single thread. This thread wont cease to exist any time soon because without it, there would just be a bunch of new topics about TES V, which would just lead to making a single thread again.

[Nicholas]

I don't disagree with you. This thread doesn't serve any real purpose apart from pointless speculation. However, a purpose this thread does serve is to keep all of the speculations contained in a single thread. This thread wont cease to exist any time soon because without it, there would just be a bunch of new topics about TES V, which would just lead to making a single thread again.

Absolutely. And now that we have solved the most philosophical question of all time ("why are we here?") we can all return to the pointless and crack-pot imaginings with a morsel of worthwhile info every 4th or 5th thread. I do have one little question though, what's with the "increase post count" thing? Is there some kind of prize like when you get a bunch of tickets at an arcade? I saw that in a couple of the posts and it didn't seem to make sense to me.

Anyway, after I deleted the bookmark I had for the USPTO for looking at the Skyrim trademark info, I checked my notes that I added to my timeline (yes I have a nice document full of facts and other things since I find speculation a lot of fun that I don't take seriously at all) and I remembered a notation that I wanted people to remember. I really wish I had jotted down the handle of the person who discovered this little nugget so that I could credit them with finding it, so I apologize for it, but there actually is a reason to keep watching the trademarks that are filed for Zenimax. Shortly before the announcements of many of the games, Zenimax would file for a "name only" mark, which is basically the name in it's logo format, and that will give a very good gauge as to when we can expect an announcement.

Since this has not happened yet, I have a firm and well thought out grounded in historical fact reason to speculate that we are NOT going to see an announcement within the next month, ergo (sorry I couldn't resist using the word, hehe) it will not be announced at QuakeCon.

[Marguerite Dabrin]

Absolutely. And now that we have solved the most philosophical question of all time ("why are we here?") we can all return to the pointless and crack-pot imaginings with a morsel of worthwhile info every 4th or 5th thread. I do have one little question though, what's with the "increase post count" thing? Is there some kind of prize like when you get a bunch of tickets at an arcade? I saw that in a couple of the posts and it didn't seem to make sense to me.

Anyway, after I deleted the bookmark I had for the USPTO for looking at the Skyrim trademark info, I checked my notes that I added to my timeline (yes I have a nice document full of facts and other things since I find speculation a lot of fun that I don't take seriously at all) and I remembered a notation that I wanted people to remember. I really wish I had jotted down the handle of the person who discovered this little nugget so that I could credit them with finding it, so I apologize for it, but there actually is a reason to keep watching the trademarks that are filed for Zenimax. Shortly before the announcements of many of the games, Zenimax would file for a "name only" mark, which is basically the name in it's logo format, and that will give a very good gauge as to when we can expect an announcement.

Since this has not happened yet, I have a firm and well thought out grounded in historical fact reason to speculate that we are NOT going to see an announcement within the next month, ergo (sorry I couldn't resist using the word, hehe) it will not be announced at QuakeCon.

I don't really think the no word mark thing is accurate. Yes, doing a search on the USTPO for Zenimax reveals several no word marks, and two of them were made right before Oblivion's announcement, but that's it, aside from a third that was filed after Fallout 3 was released. I remember when the first guy noticed that way back when, and he was actually using a different trademark archiving site at the time, where he may have seen some other no word marks that are no longer on the USTPO, considering Morrowind's is absent. But it's also possible that he only formed that theory on the basis of the mark filed before Oblivion. In any case, I doubt we'll even notice the no word mark filed before Bethesda announces TES V.

Also, I don't think you should delete the link to the trademark search. I personally check it every few days to see if Zenimax has filed for a new trademark, of any kind, and you should too. You never know, one day they could file for a "Black Marsh" trademark out of the blue, and then we'd actually have something new to speculate on.

Oh and the "raising your post count thing" relates to the fact that posts here are easy to make without actually discussing anything, so spammers can make easy posts here and increase their rank quicker.

Edit: Sorry for any typos, I'm pretty tired.

[Kelly John]

Although you refuted my first post, you just proved my point spot on.
"Most of the regulars here are aware of the only legitimate theory, which is "It will be announced when it's announced," and making any other theories is ultimately pointless."
That's exactly what I was saying. That's why this thread serves no purpose until we know something, which we don't.
People can use this thread to bump post count so easily because any ridiculous nonsense anyone wants to spew, like, "I SPECULATE TES:V WILL BE IN SPACE WITH KLINGONS" is an acceptable post because hell, that's just as much a theory as "TES:V will be in Skyrim". That's what's ridiculous about it. Klingons in space sounds a bit more reasonable than some of the things you all come up with, too. Going on and on about Twitter post from devs your stalking, finding hidden messages in records being played backwards. :rolleyes:
Twitter update from Todd Howard!
"Ugh..just got up. Time for breakfast. Toast and eggs!"
Forum Member 1: "...oh god...OH GOD"
Forum Member 2: "TODD JUST MADE A TWEET OMFG"
Forum Member 3: "HE SAID HE JUST GOT UP, CYRODILL HAS A MORNING AND NIGHT!!! HIDDEN MESSAGE?@?!?!!??!"
Forum Member 4: "YOU GUYS ARE FORGETTING THE MAIN PART; HE SAID TOAST AND EGGS, CYRODILL HAS WHEAT AND CHICKENS, FFS HAS ANYONE READ THE LAST TES NOVEL DOES IT MENTION TOAST AND EGGS?!?!?!?!?!"
For God's sake. People keep asking me why I keep coming back here, it's because I hope that maybe, just maybe, something new will be brought to the table that's sound, and logical, not this ridiculous twitter feedback from what appear to be crack fiends.

Except the tweets the other day from the devs DID have a hidden message, it just wasn't the one we were looking for. If you have such an animosity towards this thread quit coming back, and if you do come back don't post, you're not adding any more to the discussion than any of the real speculators by telling us not to speculate.

That being said, I'm out of here again, tired of all this speculation that is leading no where. Quakecon more likely than not isn't going to hold any TES:V announcements for us and speculating here is just going to make the time between now and the real announcement seem even longer.

[Charlie Ramsden]

Yeah I find it unlikely that we will get an announcement at QuakeCon. QuakeCon will be the big reveal of Doom 4, it will be pretty damn awesome. I am expecting a Sept-Dec announcement in GI and If not then I can see TES V being on the cover of GI late in the first quarter of 2011.