[louise fortin]

I really don't think Betrayer really doubts that the books bridge the gap, but I think the semantics of "fact" vs "informed speculation" is where he takes issue. I think any reasonable person who has managed to create a profile and has the intellect required to type words in this thread is aware of and truly believes that the books bridge the gap between games. All we have right now to justify that is a retracted statement by the publisher that was leaked on Amazon before the books release. This hardly is a "fact" and I see where he takes issue... but I wonder, why come here and say "You must have facts to speak like you speak about it as though it is a fact"... when I think it is clear this thread only exists because there aren't any "facts" regarding TESV? It doesn't matter how someone comes across in here, in my opinion, even if they state something as the God's Honest Truth, I think we can reasonably assume that until an official announcement, the "facts" we have are illusionary at best or contributory whilst not actually definitive.

I generally agree with this; it is important we distinguish between hard fact and popular opinion. I wouldn't go so far as to declare that the facts are all non-existent. There are things that are definite and we now for sure; what we do not know is how they line up to A:) a future TES title and B:) whether or not BGS's current game is that future TES title. For example, we know for a fact that Bethesda holds several 'Skyrim' trademarks. And the recent renewals signifies a definite interest in protecting the name.

If we're not careful, deprecating every piece of information as illusion will ironically lead to this position itself becoming a defense for the ludicrous and imagined.

One clarification to the above post: What was retracted was the book's original description from Waterstones and Amazon. The Reviewers version of the book was never retracted. As for whether or not it is fact, without verification this requires a leap of faith. However, I personally regard it as fairly factual (it may not be verbose fact but it contains definite fact). Del Rey is too respectable of a publisher to fabricate such detailed information; they had to know something from which to synthesize what they said.

So since there's going to be no showing off a new Elder Scrolls at PAX, what other conventions are upcoming?

Announcing games at conventions is not their style. They could always change how they do things, but I wouldn't look for anything to come from these events.

[Claire Vaux]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gaming_conventions
Skimming over the list, I don't see anything else for this year that Bethesda might be interested in. Might be worth a second look.

A completely useless list considering Bethesda would never show TES V at a small game convention like the majority of those. Besides, speculating on conventions is, as Stain said, and as I have said dozens of times, completely pointless, because Bethesda wont be announcing the game at a game convention. They will announce the game on their own time, and if they plan on showing off the game at a particular convention they will likely let us know via Bethblog.

Edit: I came across http://g4tv.com/videos/48225/Face-Time-With-Todd-Howard/ of Todd Howard. At the end he mentioned how he can't wait to show his next project. Now we already knew that from reading the Eurogamer interview, but seeing Todd say it himself makes me think they're really really close to an announcement. It's just the look on his face and the way he said it, I guess. Before Quakecon, Todd was never, ever this open about their current project. Now he always seems to be saying how great it's looking and how much he can't wait to show it. I honestly think an announcement in November or earlier is really likely at this point, though that's just my gut feeling.

[Natalie Taylor]

A completely useless list considering Bethesda would never show TES V at a small game convention like the majority of those. Besides, speculating on conventions is, as Stain said, and as I have said dozens of times, completely pointless, because Bethesda wont be announcing the game at a game convention. They will announce the game on their own time, and if they plan on showing off the game at a particular convention they will likely let us know via Bethblog.

Edit: I came across http://g4tv.com/videos/48225/Face-Time-With-Todd-Howard/ of Todd Howard. At the end he mentioned how he can't wait to show his next project. Now we already knew that from reading the Eurogamer interview, but seeing Todd say it himself makes me think they're really really close to an announcement. It's just the look on his face and the way he said it, I guess. Before Quakecon, Todd was never, ever this open about their current project. Now he always seems to be saying how great it's looking and how much he can't wait to show it. I honestly think an announcement in November or earlier is really likely at this point, though that's just my gut feeling.

Nice interview, he does kind of have that twinkle in his eye..I think an announcement is definitely in the near future.

[Angel Torres]

A completely useless list considering Bethesda would never show TES V at a small game convention like the majority of those. Besides, speculating on conventions is, as Stain said, and as I have said dozens of times, completely pointless, because Bethesda wont be announcing the game at a game convention.

Of course, but whether or not they are going to announce it at a convention has nothing do to with the question at hand.
If they were to announce it before the end of the year (whether that be on their website or through a cover story), they would certainly want to show it somewhere.

Thanks for that link to the interview. Todd is a really fascinating guy when he speaks. The G4 website is going very slow right now, so hopefully I'll be able to watch it.

[Charlie Ramsden]

Announcing games at conventions is not their style. They could always change how they do things, but I wouldn't look for anything to come from these events.

Note that I didn't say "announce". I said "show off".
Sumz picked up on it, I see.

[leni]

Note that I didn't say "announce". I said "show off".
Sumz picked up on it, I see.

I caught it, but divorced from an announcement speculation surrounding whether they'd show it off at a specific upcoming event is moot - which compelled me to default to the controlling discussion of the announcement. Generally speaking, once it's announced then I suspect they'll show it off as much as they can. But until then, there's really not much point in looking at any specific events just yet.

[Milad Hajipour]

I caught it, but divorced from an announcement speculation surrounding whether they'd show it off at a specific upcoming event is moot - which compelled me to default to the controlling discussion of the announcement. Generally speaking, once it's announced then I suspect they'll show it off as much as they can. But until then, there's really not much point in looking at any specific events just yet.

Which is what I was getting at as well. If we don't know when the announcement will be, speculating on what game conventions they will show it at is pointless. We can't speculate on something that will happen after the announcement of TES V, without knowing the date of the actual announcement first.

[gandalf]

So is it possible they will announce it via their website and a magazine cover and THEN do e3?
I mean, would we have to wait for a magazine or convention to report the news first or could it simply be announced online whenever they felt like it?

[Ernesto Salinas]

So is it possible they will announce it via their website and a magazine cover and THEN do e3?

That's very possible, in fact it's the most likely scenario, IMO.

[BRAD MONTGOMERY]

That's very possible, in fact it's the most likely scenario, IMO.

Likely scenarios are likely.

[Del Arte]

It'll be announced, and then shown off in a Game Informer issue, then they'll give websites some more info. The first live public demonstration will be on stage at next years E3, and it'll come out in October-November of next year.

[Fluffer]

It'll be announced, and then shown off in a Game Informer issue, then they'll give websites some more info. The first live public demonstration will be on stage at next years E3, and it'll come out in October-November of next year.

If you say so :shrug:

[Naazhe Perezz]

I just hope they announce it soon as I have to save up for a new computer to run it. 3 years of vanilla xbox360 oblivion has driven me mad, I want mods this time >: O

[Steven Hardman]

I just hope they announce it soon as I have to save up for a new computer to run it. 3 years of vanilla xbox360 oblivion has driven me mad, I want mods this time >: O

Good on you, I fear that you will never put down the game though, every TES game with mods I tested has broken the epic-meter.

Hmmm...I just thought of something, Uriel Septim said that he was lucky enough to know the day of his death by the stars. Any star readers around that can predict something useful, like maybe the announcement?

[Matthew Aaron Evans]

Good on you, I fear that you will never put down the game though, every TES game with mods I tested has broken the epic-meter.

Hmmm...I just thought of something, Uriel Septim said that he was lucky enough to know the day of his death by the stars. Any star readers around that can predict something useful, like maybe the announcement?

Quick, check the Orrery... maybe there's a clue!

I think I see some stars that look like the shape of a V and if I put the time of year for that birthsign correctly... convert it using the roman/tamrielian multiplier, yes! It shows we will come into the center of the V by this November! Woohoo! You cracked the code!!

[Tamara Dost]

Quick, check the Orrery... maybe there's a clue!

I think I see some stars that look like the shape of a V and if I put the time of year for that birthsign correctly... convert it using the roman/tamrielian multiplier, yes! It shows we will come into the center of the V by this November! Woohoo! You cracked the code!!

:celebration:

[Cathrin Hummel]

i think its possible that it will be out before e3 if they release it within the next couple of weeks cuz todd said the game will come out in less then a year after the announcement ps i dont feel like using good grammar

[Mistress trades Melissa]

i think its possible that it will be out before e3 if they release it within the next couple of weeks cuz todd said the game will come out in less then a year after the announcement ps i dont feel like using good grammar

Yeah..that's extremely unlikely, and I hope it doesn't come out that soon. That little amount of time isn't enough to make a good TES game.
Your name made me lol irl.

[Tai Scott]

i think its possible that it will be out before e3 if they release it within the next couple of weeks cuz todd said the game will come out in less then a year after the announcement ps i dont feel like using good grammar

It isn't your grammar I happen to disagree with, but if you think the game will be released this spring I really would find that hard to believe. And by "if they release it within the next couple of weeks" you actually mean "announce it" I would say more than a couple of weeks... maybe 6 to 8 weeks from now we'll have an announcement... just my thoughts there. I say next fall for a game release.

[Phillip Hamilton]

ya i said its possible i didnt say it is likely or that is even my opinion

[Phoenix Draven]

I think there's a very good chance it will be out before the end of 2011. However, it definitely wont be out before E3. They'd essentially be missing the biggest opportunity a developer has to show off their game and generate hype for a Fall 2011 release.

[Averielle Garcia]

Gad, I have been waiting for a new TES game FOREVER! Every time I open up the site I cross my fingers that I see a counter.

On subject - I think we will see a new game next year. I expect to see an annoucment a month or so past FO: LV. From the interview with Todd it sounded like they are close. Would love to see TES V next year and then FO IV in two years!

[Lucy]

Gad, I have been waiting for a new TES game FOREVER! Every time I open up the site I cross my fingers that I see a counter.

On subject - I think we will see a new game next year. I expect to see an annoucment a month or so past FO: LV. From the interview with Todd it sounded like they are close. Would love to see TES V next year and then FO IV in two years!

The correct term is Fallout 4

Using a roman numeral with Fallout doesn't feel right to me, plus, Bethesda didn't call it Fallout III, they called it Fallout 3. :shrug:

I know, it's stupidly trivial but it's not like we have anything else to talk about atm.

[Everardo Montano]

The correct term is Fallout 4

Using a roman numeral with Fallout doesn't feel right to me, plus, Bethesda didn't call it Fallout III, they called it Fallout 3. :shrug:

I know, it's stupidly trivial but it's not like we have anything else to talk about atm.

And they wouldn't have a fallout game released only a year after tes v.

[Richard Thompson]

Hopefully Fallout 4 waits till after TES VI, but that's just me...