Official TES V Speculation Thread # 64

Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:21 am

Is it just me, or has speculation really slowed down recently? Is it because we're runing out of things to speculate on? If so, it's about time Bethesda threw us a bone and said something . . . ANYTHING . . . about TESV!

Edit: It was just me. I just now saw the time of the last post. :blush:

They just had that Eurogamer interview which revealed as much as they can about the game as they could with out actually announcing it. I'm guessing the point of that interview was set up to hold us over until they can finally announce. There is not much else they can say with out telling us what game it is.
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Post » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:41 pm

They've done the interviews to get us excited I think. Then we will be hyped for the game before the game is announced. More hype is always better.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:40 am

but nothing was said about TES in the interviews, we still dont even know if it exists.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:42 am

Is it just me, or has speculation really slowed down recently? Is it because we're runing out of things to speculate on? If so, it's about time Bethesda threw us a bone and said something . . . ANYTHING . . . about TESV!

Edit: It was just me. I just now saw the time of the last post. :blush:


I think it is though. Because we can almost ascertain that they are making ESV, but don't want to announce it now because of FO:NV.
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Post » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:10 pm

but nothing was said about TES in the interviews, we still dont even know if it exists.


That's true, they could be making Fallout 4: Skyrim.

But in all seriousness, I don't like to rely on the whole trademark theory, but they do have "Skyrim" trademarked and it has been renewed. Plus, the way Todd has talked about it makes it seem like Elder Scrolls. He said it was something everyone was excited and the dev team really wanted to play it too. I guess it could be a new IP, but I just don't think there is enough space to fit that on their plate...
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:28 am

Ive just been re-listening to the podcast again, and when Todd talks about what beth is working on I get the emphisis that its not that they dont want to show it yet (cause Todd is acting really prond when talknig about it), its just that it isnt the right time to show it.

Makes me further think they dont want to annonce it right now and that a November/December annoncement is more likely after New Vegas is out.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:20 am

My theory is that it is a combination between having their marketing department (because that may be Softworks but if game Studios announces a game they'll be busy) working full stop on upcoming releases as well as a serious desire to show their new game in a time and place that will have the highest WOW facort.

And in the Podcast Todd definitely has "Convention Sickness." Happens, these things are very taxing.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:31 am

Nothing to worry about. They have been working on it and they are waiting for an appropriate time to announce it. They have made a conscious decision not to announce the game too far in advance, as so many developers do. Also, they don't want to steal any attention from New Vegas, Brink, Rage, etc. Wouldn't be fair. I expect the game to be officially revealed after New Vegas has been out for a while, and dated after Brink.

They could also be waiting for Blizzcon to come and go. If Diablo 3 is dated, they want to date TESV appropriately.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:00 am

I think it is though. Because we can almost ascertain that they are making ESV, but don't want to announce it now because of FO:NV.


you know what would be a pretty slick idea to entertain both the fallout crowd and the elder scrolls crowd. Have a "secret trailer" on the fallout disk, which happens to be a video announcing and showing off a wee bit of ESV. This way you may even get extra sales from those impatient gamers out there wanting to know what it looks like. Just my two cents.

anyways, I'm new here, been on and off this forum for a good year, finally decided to make an account, so hello Elder scrolls community :foodndrink:
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:17 am

I think that if they dont make an announcement after fonv then the sales for there other games fonv and all others. Will go slightly down because people will be mad with them. So if there smart they should announce in my eyes.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:07 pm

I think that if they dont make an announcement after fonv then the sales for there their other games fonv and all others. W s will go slightly down because people will be mad with at them. So if there they're smart they should announce in my eyes.

How would people be mad at other games if another game is announced after it, particularly when most not-us people don't even follow these companies and may well not even know that Bethesda was involved in any capacity with the other ones. Not to mention after Fallout New Vegas' release wouldn't effect those sales because if someone is into Fallout the announcement of another game by a company also owned by the same parent company as the one who published a game made by a completely different developer would likely mean nothing to said person. (Gah, run-on sentence! Unacceptable!)

Also, shame on those people at getting mad at the poor innocent game, it didn't choose when it would be announced.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:59 am

As far as not announcing TESV while FONV is in the tail-end of its pre-release marketing cycle, consider this: one of the most important (and time consuming) jobs that a company has to do is cover its rear. As its stands Bethesda is the rights-holder for Fallout, BGS developed the last game in the series, and now BSW has arranged to have Obsidian develop a follow-up, FONV. BSW will publish, promote and distribute FONV, and retain the rights to the property. People buy the game, and BSW and Obsidian get paid. That is the situation.

This is how the business works, in order to bankroll the development of a game, the publisher puts up some cash and assumes risk. Upon release, sales first pay back the money the publisher put in to fund the development and marketing, and further profits get carved up between profit for the publisher and bonuses for the developers. The bonuses are based on target sales figures agreed to in the deal between publisher and developer, and are generally considered private information (the specifics of these deals are rarely made public).

Now if FONV doesn't sell well -- for whatever reason -- and falls below agreed upon sales figures, the publisher (Beth) will not have to pay the developer (Obsidian) as much money in terms of scale or bonuses, and meanwhile -IF- Bethesda has been talking up TESV, Obsidian (or its share holders) could POTENTIALLY go crying to a judge and say that the publisher failed to promote the game fairly, and other junk, and it MIGHT become yet another messy lawsuit in the industry - it seems like a new lawsuit pops up monthly as it is.

NOW IT IS VERY UNLIKELY to ever play out like that, BUT the first rule in business is to CYA, and for that reason, among others, Bethesda has little to gain, and more to risk by announcing a game like TESV while it is handling the marketing and release of another major release. And when it comes to CYA, it is not the FACT that TESV could steal some of FONV's thunder, it is the PERCEPTION that matters.

I mean, people are looking forward to FONV, but you gotta admit, its not being called Fallout 4 for a reason. It is a weird situation where it seems like more of a really large expansion to Falllout 3; Fallout 3.5 maybe. The small percentage of the gaming public who knows that Obsidian employ some former Black Isle people who worked on the original Fallout games want to see what they will do with the engine and assets that Bethesda created when they changed their game from a turn based isometric game into a first person action-RPG, but the great majority of game shoppers don't have a clue about any of that. We have every reason to believe that TESV is going to be a major step forward, so it is quite likely that starting to talk and show assets from TESV will make FONV look even more like FO3.5 by comparison.

Compared to the potential failure to CYA as a publisher of the next "Oblivion with guns" game for another developer, and their desire not to have another RAI incident, as well as their stated intent to have the shortest time between announcement and release yet for their next game, what would Bethesda have to GAIN from announcing TESV before the end of the year?

Also, look at Id, around Quakecon they said that they're not talking about Doom 4 because they're promoting Rage -- another example of a game company focusing attention on one product that is closer to release and keeping the next game in the pipeline out of the spotlight.

Exactly, someone else that knows marketing besides my self.



Let's go all the way back to last year at quake con, Todd said last year don't look for a game anytime soon. Most people don't realize that he was speaking in game terms. Generally speaking most games of the blockbuster games have a production cycle of 36 months. Todd already confirmed to us that the game was in pre-production while they were making Fallout 3. So effectively he is saying one year of pre-production and a simultaneous development of the engine and game it's self within the next 24 months when they ramped it up to full production. They probably tailored off redoing the engine within the first 12 months of actual production and now have both teams working on just the game it’s self with a skeleton crew to tackle bugs that crop up. A next Elder Scrolls announcement would be huge, so huge that it would force other companies to push around there titles to make way for it. It is the game that everybody dearly loves and wants to play. I doubt it’s going to be an online title because they already have Fallout Online which is being promoted by Bethesda and Obsidian (mainly Obsidian).
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Post » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:39 pm

Bethesda knows exactly when they plan on making the announcement. Its funny that they tell us that they are not ready to announce and they don't know when. They know when. The question is "when?"
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:01 pm

Bethesda knows exactly when they plan on making the announcement. Its funny that they tell us that they are not ready to announce and they don't know when. They know when. The question is "when?"

I think we will probably find out exactly when before we have anything else substantial to speculate on...
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:42 am

you know what would be a pretty slick idea to entertain both the fallout crowd and the elder scrolls crowd. Have a "secret trailer" on the fallout disk, which happens to be a video announcing and showing off a wee bit of ESV. This way you may even get extra sales from those impatient gamers out there wanting to know what it looks like. Just my two cents.

anyways, I'm new here, been on and off this forum for a good year, finally decided to make an account, so hello Elder scrolls community :foodndrink:


Welcome to the forum.

That is a good strategy, but many ES fans are also FO fans, and much of the remaining FO fans probably don't play ES games.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:35 am

To be honest, after what Todd Howard said in that eurogamers’s interview, the next elder scrolls game could be announce anytime now. The game will probably be announced first on this very site after probably a small countdown before. Just after that we will see the first pictures (and cover) in the Game Informer magazine. That could be as soon as this week, unless of course we already know what will be on the cover of October Issue. The only month I highly doubt it will be announced is October because of the Fallout New Vegas release. Bethesda was probably just waiting the ends of all those game shows so they finally can announce the game and not risking the announcement to go fairly unnoticed. There’s still the Tokyo Game show to come, but it’s not as big as it used to be. In my book, there’s 95% chance that one of the 2 games being developed at the moment is TES V (the game is simply too big of a cash cow to let it go for too long) and there’s also a 95% chance it’ll be named Skyrim (unless Bethesda really wanted to make a very big and costly April Fool Day).

And to answer an earlier post of how things have slowed downed on the speculation thread. Well, it’s fairly easy to understand. We all know its coming real soon and there’s not a lot left to say except speculating on the date of the announcement and how long after we will get the game. I don’t expect the game to come before the second Half of 2011 and that should leave me plenty of time to play Dragon Age II that’s due in March of the same year and who look as great as the first one.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:42 am

Seriously guys, my only perspective on why there isn't an announcement right now is because Pete and the gang over in Softworks have their hands full and can't devote adequate time and energy and resources that it would take to truly do marketing justice for TESV... their plates are simply full... that is why Todd said if Pete said, "okay show it!" they would be able to... we just need to let something release off the Softworks teams plate (like FONV) and they will give the "okay" to BGS to announce.

This.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:02 am

I think we will probably find out exactly when before we have anything else substantial to speculate on...

Or worth speculating on.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:38 pm

My new theory. They are making a super awsome Teaser Trailer. That has to play first before any info comes out. It could be played at any time during their presentation at PAX or whatever comes after that.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:17 am

My new theory. They are making a super awsome Teaser Trailer. That has to play first before any info comes out. It could be played at any time during their presentation at PAX or whatever comes after that.


*shakes head furiously in disagreement*

*head falls off*

...

Anyway, no, they wont show anything at PAX. They've never announced a game at a gaming convention and it's very likely they won't start doing it with TES V. And PAX is too close for them to announce it beforehand and show it off there. Forget about PAX in regards to TES V.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:04 am

*shakes head furiously in disagreement*

*head falls off*

...

Anyway, no, they wont show anything at PAX. They've never announced a game at a gaming convention and it's very likely they won't start doing it with TES V. And PAX is too close for them to announce it beforehand and show it off there. Forget about PAX in regards to TES V.

:blink: Whoa, I was Kidding.
If you haven't noticed this thread is basically made up of "There wont be another elder scrolls" or somebody joking around.
The only time Speculation happens is within a day or so after a new interview pops up.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:41 am

:blink: Whoa, I was Kidding.
If you haven't noticed this thread is basically made up of "There wont be another elder scrolls" or somebody joking around.
The only time Speculation happens is within a day or so after a new interview pops up.


In my defense there was no way I could know you were joking. :shrug:

Joking and sarcasm are two things that don't translate well into text.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:15 am

I find it funny that when I brang up this same conclusion in April people didnt believe me.....now its the going speculation :rolleyes:

The thing is, people just keep jumping to the next earliest annoncement date, in a few months if there is no annocnment, we will have moved onto the next and equally justified time for the annoncement. At least most here have now learnt not to get their hopes up at all.
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:19 pm

I find it funny that when I brang up this same conclusion in April people didnt believe me.....now its the going speculation :rolleyes:

The thing is, people just keep jumping to the next earliest annoncement date, in a few months if there is no annocnment, we will have moved onto the next and equally justified time for the annoncement. At least most here have now learnt not to get their hopes up at all.


Meh, happens to everybody at some point or another. These problems usually happen when you try adding something to an already heated discussion, or when your posts drown in a sea of "OMGZ!!!! Did you readz the newzest newz?!" When the post above that seems to show that the forum had already found out and a heated discussion was underway.

And I always read the speculation thread with two eyes; one looking for the positive, and one looking for the doubtful, I advise everyone to do the same. I speculate that if we don't get an announcement by December, then we'll probably have to wait until late February or early March. No particluar reason, goodnight :snoring:
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Post » Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:52 am

Buta ya know.. them holding back the game/games/info for a March release because they think that no one else will be releasing at that time is rediculous because everyone else has the same idea. That has happened to many games. They've been finished and just waiting for that release date when they can get the most hype but every other game company has teh same exact idea, so instead of the game getting the most sales or the most hype, they instead have to contend with all the other games which are being released at the same time anyway. if you get what I mean. Its just morons trying to make more money and end up screwing them selves in the ass, and meanwhile pissing off thier fan base who are waiting for the game.
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