[Irmacuba]

"On the flip side, Todd [Howard] and his team have their hands full with The Elder Scrolls and Fallout."
Interview found http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24211

Well, that was an undignified way to spill the beans.

[Natasha Callaghan]

Pete Hines: "I don't think so. They're building up their teams, and they already have four amazing brands they're working on. So they already have enough titles to work on that they own. On the flip side, Todd [Howard] and his team have their hands full with The Elder Scrolls and Fallout."
Interview found http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24211

What the [censored].
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[Nicola]

Pete Hines: "I don't think so. They're building up their teams, and they already have four amazing brands they're working on. So they already have enough titles to work on that they own. On the flip side, Todd [Howard] and his team have their hands full with The Elder Scrolls and Fallout."
Interview found http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24211

Well even though it is an older interview, it does lend some credibility to the fact that we aren't looking at this "secret game" as a new IP... and if we take it that Fallout 4 isn't what they jumped right into after FO3, then it tips those scales heavily on TES side.

[Beth Belcher]

Pete Hines: "I don't think so. They're building up their teams, and they already have four amazing brands they're working on. So they already have enough titles to work on that they own. On the flip side, Todd [Howard] and his team have their hands full with The Elder Scrolls and Fallout."
Interview found http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24211

You're really grasping at straws there man. Pete was mentioning the brands Id works on, and then he mentioned Bethesda's two popular brands. Saying that Bethesda still knows The Elder Scrolls exists does not in any way mean that Pete "spilt the beans" on TES V. Now, if he said "Bethesda has their hands full with Fallout and Where's Waldo," then yes, that'd be spilling the beans, but he wasn't in this case.

[dean Cutler]

Besides, if we wanted to get "TES V is being made!" out of that sentence, we could just as easily get "Fallout 4 is being made!". It's just jumping the gun on one word and ignoring another one. It removes all the context from the paragraph.

[Ludivine Dupuy]

Is New Vegas an expansion pack for Fallout 3? I know it's not Fallout 4.

[Soraya Davy]

Todd said it was the shortest announce-release cycle ever. As far as quantifying that... count the days for all other games. It has to be at least one day shorter than every other game, but I'd bet TH is hedging his bets, and it's at least 2 months shorter. Likewise, the minimum is 3 months, because there's just no time to announce, have deals in place, promote, pre-order, ship to retailers, and release otherwise.

Todd was talking about for Bethesda, not every game in existence. They usually take quite a while between announcement and release. In this case they will be further along in the development from when they have announced in the past.

Storm

[Dale Johnson]

Is New Vegas an expansion pack for Fallout 3? I know it's not Fallout 4.

It's a standalone game. It's like Vice City in the Grand Theft Auto series. It's not a sequel, but it's not an expansion to Fallout 3 either.

[Natalie J Webster]

Yeah, the above interview is nothing new and doesn't really shed definitive light on the existence of TES:V.

*Waves hand* "These are not the droids you're looking for."

[Alyesha Neufeld]

You know, I hope Todd giving status updates on Bethesda's projects becomes a regular thing at every year's Quakecon. I'm so relaxed about TES V in comparison to how I felt before Quakecon, it's ridiculous. It's obviously going to be announced relatively soon, so there's nothing to worry about. I'd like this to happen with Fallout 4 as well, with Todd giving vague updates every Quakecon.

[Robyn Lena]

FirstLook is also a gaming event where Bethesda will be with more stands that one, I dont think they will announce anything about TES but I hope that we get a new interview.

[roxanna matoorah]

FirstLook is also a gaming event where Bethesda will be with more stands that one, I dont think they will announce anything about TES but I hope that we get a new interview.

When is FirstLook going to be on.

[Chris Ellis]

EDIT: I'm sorry forget about FirstLook... I dont see Bethesda anymore on their site...
http://www.firstlookevent.nl/ Thats the official site buts it is in Dutch so most of you cant read it. ^^

[Francesca]

You're really grasping at straws there man. Pete was mentioning the brands Id works on, and then he mentioned Bethesda's two popular brands. Saying that Bethesda still knows The Elder Scrolls exists does not in any way mean that Pete "spilt the beans" on TES V. Now, if he said "Bethesda has their hands full with Fallout and Where's Waldo," then yes, that'd be spilling the beans, but he wasn't in this case.

What he said was this: "id already has stuff they're working on and Todd and his team have their hands full with The Elder Scrolls and Fallout."

This means they are actively busy on these things. Note that there was some downloadable content coming up for Fallout 3 at the time, so it's not an indication of Fallout 4. This was not so with The Elder Scrolls IV. There was no upcoming stuff for Oblivion, no expansion packs, new content or anything else. They were done. It doesn't make sense to say the development team had their hands full with TES unless they were developing new stuff.

This is why it's not

removing all the context from the paragraph.

but rather actually taking the context into account.

[Mr.Broom30]

What he said was this: "id already has stuff they're working on and Todd and his team have their hands full with The Elder Scrolls and Fallout."

This means they are actively busy on these things. Note that there was some downloadable content coming up for Fallout 3 at the time, so it's not an indication of Fallout 4. This was not so with The Elder Scrolls IV. There was no upcoming stuff for Oblivion, no expansion packs, new content or anything else. They were done. It doesn't make sense to say the development team had their hands full with TES unless they were developing new stuff.

This is why it's not but rather actually taking the context into account.

No, what you're doing is reading INTO the context. It means neither exclusively nor definitively that they're "actively busy" in the way you're inferring. It just means TES and Fallout are their bread-and-butter and that they're busy enough managing those IPs. If anything, the quote rules out a new IP more than it indicates their game-in-development. In actuality, it's not really that ground-breaking of a quote. It's more of a "duh...thank you captain obvious" than anything. Of course they're working on Fallout and/or Elder Scrolls...what else would they be doing? You're not going to find anyone, save a few crackpots, who would disagree with that.

[Shaylee Shaw]

It just means TES and Fallout are their bread-and-butter and that they're busy enough managing those IPs.,,, Of course they're working on Fallout and/or Elder Scrolls...what else would they be doing? You're not going to find anyone, save a few crackpots, who would disagree with that.

I agree. My point however is that there's a reason to say they were working on Fallout (due to DLC such as that mothership zeta-thing), but there wasn't a reason to say they were working on Elder Scrolls. Unless they were actually working on something Elder Scrolls, which begs the question - what?

[Isabell Hoffmann]

I agree. My point however is that there's a reason to say they were working on Fallout (due to DLC such as that mothership zeta-thing), but there wasn't a reason to say they were working on Elder Scrolls. Unless they were actually working on something Elder Scrolls, which begs the question - what?

I see what you're saying, but my point is that you cannot reasonably make this deduction. Pete's statement was generic, not specific. You are inductively attempting to derive something specific from general/broad data. It's like deducing that since GM makes cars they're going to come out with a brand new sports car next year called the Corvette 2.0 (however we cannot know this only from the initial premise). In our case it just so happens to most likely be true that TES:V is being developed, based on other circumstantial information (book gaffes, trademarks, etc.). Keep in mind, however, that we don't know this with absolute certainty and that Pete's comment does not provide certainty; it only gets us from about 95% certainty to 95.1% certainty but that's about it.

At the outset this discussion seems pointless, as we're both arguing an end to which we both agree. However, this illustrates the fallacy of applying inappropriate logic - an error from which this thread suffers frequently.

[Queen of Spades]

You're really grasping at straws there man. Pete was mentioning the brands Id works on, and then he mentioned Bethesda's two popular brands. Saying that Bethesda still knows The Elder Scrolls exists does not in any way mean that Pete "spilt the beans" on TES V. Now, if he said "Bethesda has their hands full with Fallout and Where's Waldo," then yes, that'd be spilling the beans, but he wasn't in this case.

Your really being very negative and sceptical about everything, no offense. He is saying that Bethesda has two IPs right? If they are not doing Fallout they are doing TES, and Vice Versa(not doing TES they are doing Fallout). They can't be working on fallout 4, because of New Vegas, so they have to be working on TES 5. It is only logical.

What happens to Elder Scrolls after TES 5 is really up to speculation.
[speculation]
Something tells me TES 5 is the last elder scrolls we will see in a long time. No one wants to milk a series for more than its worth.

Plus, game companies love to make games in trilogies. Fable 1, 2, and 3. Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3. Age of Empires 1, 2, and 3. Half-Life 1, 2 and 3(The episodes actually count as a third game).
The first two Elder scolls don't count, because no one really knew about them.

Edit: I don't fully beleive this theory. So don't take me to seriously.
[/speculation]

[Isabell Hoffmann]

The first two Elder scolls don't count, because no one really knew about them.

Your argument completely fell apart when you said this line. Really? Really? That is an embarrassingly ridiculous thing to say, I'm sorry.

I'm far from being negative about "everything." I'm actually being negative about you guys grasping at straws like you're trying to do with Pete's interview. Stain already said most of what I was going to say, so I don't feel the need to repeat it.

But let me ask you guys something. We know they've been working on something since Fallout 3 was finished. We know this. We're also pretty damn sure it wont be Fallout 4, because New Vegas is coming out soon. So why, exactly, are we looking at an interview with Pete from back in 2009 for clues that we already have? I'd understand if you guys actually found something substantial in an interview from back then, but Pete didn't mean anything by what he said. And even if he did, it confirms absolutely nothing because we cannot confirm that he really did.

[Krystal Wilson]

I agree. My point however is that there's a reason to say they were working on Fallout (due to DLC such as that mothership zeta-thing), but there wasn't a reason to say they were working on Elder Scrolls. Unless they were actually working on something Elder Scrolls, which begs the question - what?

If someone were to ask you "which games does Bethesda Game Studios work on?" How would you answer?

You would say Fallout and The Elder Scrolls.

[Dorian Cozens]

I see what you're saying, but my point is that you cannot reasonably make this deduction. Pete's statement was generic, not specific.

I can see how you could call that generic, and in a way you'd be right, except... well, I'll get to it later on in this post.

You are inductively attempting to derive something specific from general/broad data. It's like deducing that since GM makes cars they're going to come out with a brand new sports car next year called the Corvette 2.0 (however we cannot know this only from the initial premise).

...for this being a bad comparison. Hines doesn't say: "We're working on a game" from which I deduce they're coming out next year with TES V: Skyrim. He actually is quite specific with brands GM is currently working on. He says what would the equivalent of "Our team has its hands full working on the latest Chevrolet [[of which we're about to sell our latest upgrade]] and on the Buick [[which had its last sign of life years ago]]."

I would agree with that it's a general statement if he said: "Todd's team still has other big titles such as Fallout and The Elder Scrolls to think about". But he doesn't say that. He doesn't make a passive statement. He instead makes an active statement: "They're busy with Fallout and Elder Scrolls", which puts the described situation in a whole different light.

This is the deduction:
P1: Todd Howard's team has their hands full on TES and FO.
P2: "Having your hands" full means to be actively involved with something
P3. Todd Howard's team is a team of developers.
C1: From P1, P2 and P3, Todd Howard's team is actively (P2) developing (P3) FO and TES (P1).

P4: TES IV had been out of the development cycle for years.
C2: From C1 and P4 the DevTeam was at the time not actively involved on IV.
C3: From C1 and C2, the DevTeam was at the time involved with a new TES.

But, as you say next, ...

In our case it just so happens to most likely be true that TES:V is being developed, based on other circumstantial information (book gaffes, trademarks, etc.). Keep in mind, however, that we don't know this with absolute certainty and that Pete's comment does not provide certainty; it only gets us from about 95% certainty to 95.1% certainty but that's about it.

Indeed, it doesn't provide any more certainty than we already had. At this point we're pretty damn sure and this is just lost in the sea of clues we have.

[Emerald Dreams]

What this argument boils down to is you guys desperately trying to find more reasons to believe TES V is in development, and grasping at straws to do so. We have no way of knowing it meant anything without asking Pete himself. Even if TES V was announced right now, it would not be confirmation that Pete actually let it slip that it was in development. Only Pete knows and will ever know if he actually let it slip, or if he was just doing the logical thing and talking about Bethesda's two most popular brands after mentioning Id's popular brands.

Because we wont ever know what he meant, I say we drop this ridiculous argument already.

[Shae Munro]

If someone were to ask you "which games does Bethesda Game Studios work on?" How would you answer?

You would say Fallout and The Elder Scrolls.

This guy knows what he's talking about listen to him.

[Kaley X]

Your argument completely fell apart when you said this line. Really? Really? That is an embarrassingly ridiculous thing to say, I'm sorry.

I also said this...

This is all just speculation, please don't chop my head off.

And its true, not many familiar with elder scrolls have ever even heard of Arena and Daggerfall, all lot of people who have played Oblivion haven't even heard of Morrowind.

Your scepticism is so negative its just as bad as "grasping at straws".

[Isaiah Burdeau]

What this argument boils down to is you guys desperately trying to find more reasons to believe TES V is in development, and grasping at straws to do so.

I guess you missed the part where I even used syllogisms to explain my line of thought. Instead of saying "you're just grasping at straws" you might actually try to address the points made if you have an issue with it.
In fact, you apparently missed the part where Stain and I agreed that in terms of certainty this means nothing.

This is not about added information - it's about the validity of the argument.