[Naazhe Perezz]

I also said this...


And its true, not many familiar with elder scrolls have ever even heard of Arena and Daggerfall, all lot of people who have played Oblivion haven't even heard of Morrowind.

Your scepticism is so negative its just as bad as "grasping at straws".

You're calling me negative because I got offended at you erasing Arena and Daggerfall from history to suit your little trilogy theory? Plenty of people knew about Daggerfall back when it was released, just because you didn't and aren't aware that other people did does not mean you can simply pass them off as games nobody knew about.

I apologize that I wont let you make ridiculous theories that require you to pass off half of the TES games released just so you can make a theory that doesn't make sense otherwise. This may be called the Speculation thread but speculating that TES V will be the last one because "game companies love to make trilogies" and Arena and Daggerfall don't count for some reason, is ridiculous. You can speculate all you want but don't expect people to not get angry when you make up such ridiculous theories.

Yes, I am a skeptic towards your theory. That's because your theory doesn't make a lick of sense what-so-ever. Could TES V really be the last one ever? Perhaps. But not because of your trilogy reasoning. You also said game companies don't like milking series for more than they're worth. I say that it being 4 1/2 years since the last TES means it's far from being milked. Besides, TES makes Bethesda a lot of money, and they also love making TES and playing the games, so I don't foresee them stopping anytime soon.

You said "please don't chop my head off," well I'm sorry but you can't simply say something like that and expect people not to get upset because you asked them nicely not too.

Let me make one thing clear. I want TES V as much as you all do, and I am very confident that they are working on TES V. However, I will not just sit idly by while you guys grasp at straws to make yourselves feel more confident than you already are. This kind of thing would have been acceptable before Quakecon, but Todd basically said that it should be announced soon, yet somehow you guys still aren't content and are still looking for clues. The only thing we can do is wait until the announcement, and stretching the words of Pete Hines wont make that wait any shorter.

[MARLON JOHNSON]

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I'll admit that my anology was weak. In fact I cringed as I sent it off, but I needed to head out the door right away and didn't have time to conjure up a better one. But my conclusion still stands that you were attempting to deduce something specific from general information. Your entire logic chart's Achilles heel is your assumption of the meaning of "has their hands full". As I mentioned quite a few threads ago in a similar argument over GI's infamous quote, even if your interpretation is correct it doesn't call into account the possibility that Pete could have completely made a wreck of that phrase's proper usage.

Here is my final point and statement on this matter: Pete's comment in my opinion did not apply to specific development and is therefore not applicable for determining the game they're currently developing. You may continue to use it if you so wish, but I reject it. I've made my argument and will now leave it alone for the rest to determine by consensus.

Your scepticism is so negative its just as bad as "grasping at straws".

Skepticism, as with the scientific method, is inherently positivistic; which means that the natural inclination of the skeptic is to assume that all hypothesis are false until they pass through the rigors of experimentation. In other words, skeptics like Antibody and myself will generally not accept any new information/theories around here until they're proven true. This approach isn't intended to be negative or insulting but to end up with the most compelling and logically sound conclusions. It is here within the rigorous discussion of a community that the pursuit of truth is most fruitful and productive.

[Amy Cooper]

First of all, just ever so slightly off topic there...

Plus, game companies love to make games in trilogies. Fable 1, 2, and 3. Mass Effect 1, 2, and 3. Age of Empires 1, 2, and 3. Half-Life 1, 2 and 3(The episodes actually count as a third game).
The first two Elder scolls don't count, because no one really knew about them.

In earlier interviews with Peter M. they already have Fable planned up to four or five games..... Just, thought I would point that out. And... the first ES games do count, they count very much. If nothing else because the next game will be TES V. I am not saying the ES series will or will not continue after five is released, but your theory has some flaws.

Anyway, besides that. I am of the firm belief that we will get an announcement after New Vegas comes out. Simply because then Bethesda will not have to worry about promoting two games at once. Not that they would be incapable of doing so, but with two huge franchises like Fallout and Elder Scrolls, I can't imagine they would want to load up their plates so heavily.

So here's hoping we get the announcement in November.

[Baylea Isaacs]

You're calling me negative because I got offended at you erasing Arena and Daggerfall from history to suit your little trilogy theory? Plenty of people knew about Daggerfall back when it was released, just because you didn't and aren't aware that other people did does not mean you can simply pass them off as games nobody knew about.

I apologize that I wont let you make ridiculous theories that require you to pass off half of the TES games released just so you can make a theory that doesn't make sense otherwise. This may be called the Speculation thread but speculating that TES V will be the last one because "game companies love to make trilogies" and Arena and Daggerfall don't count for some reason, is ridiculous. You can speculate all you want but don't expect people to not get angry when you make up such ridiculous theories.

Yes, I am a skeptic towards your theory. That's because your theory doesn't make a lick of sense what-so-ever. Could TES V really be the last one ever? Perhaps. But not because of your trilogy reasoning. You also said game companies don't like milking series for more than they're worth. I say that it being 4 1/2 years since the last TES means it's far from being milked. Besides, TES makes Bethesda a lot of money, and they also love making TES and playing the games, so I don't foresee them stopping anytime soon.

You said "please don't chop my head off," well I'm sorry but you can't simply say something like that and expect people not to get upset because you asked them nicely not too.

Let me make one thing clear. I want TES V as much as you all do, and I am very confident that they are working on TES V. However, I will not just sit idly by while you guys grasp at straws to make yourselves feel more confident than you already are. This kind of thing would have been acceptable before Quakecon, but Todd basically said that it should be announced soon, yet somehow you guys still aren't content and are still looking for clues. The only thing we can do is wait until the announcement, and stretching the words of Pete Hines wont make that wait any shorter.

OMG!!! If thats the way you are going to be...
Then eat this: TES 1, 2, and 3 never existed they are just parts of you imagination.

"Quite a few people knew about Daggerfall", Do you think this forum consists of all TES fans. According to Todd we are only 1% of TES fans. And I'm willing to bet that 85% of TES fans got familiar with the series at Oblivion. Every gamer I know personally that has played Oblivion never played Morrowind. I could even name a few if you want. Oblivion was the shnitzel(my censored word for S***t) in my school, when it came out, yet hardly anyone in my school heard of Morrowind.

This is hardly a "theory", when the world outside of this forum supports it.

[Prohibited]

Although people don't know about arena and daggerfall as much as they do Oblivion, they still know there are 4 elder scrolls games. They see Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and realized there are 3 prior games, so you can't say the first and second "doesn't count". I'm not chopping your head off x_death, but your trilogy theory isn't really plausible.

[Amber Ably]

Every gamer I know personally that has played Oblivion never played Morrowind. I could even name a few if you want. Oblivion was the shnitzel(my censored word for S***t) in my school, when it came out, yet hardly anyone in my school heard of Morrowind.

The answer explaining your phenomenon of everyone you know having played Oblivion and not Morrowind is that you are part of a homogeneous cohort - which is everyone near your age from school. It would be similar to assume that since none of us were alive to experience the presidency of Lincoln that therefore he and his actions as president do not really matter.

[Gwen]

Skepticism, as with the scientific method, is inherently positivistic; which means that the natural inclination of the skeptic is to assume that all hypothesis are false until they pass through the rigors of experimentation. In other words, skeptics like Antibody and myself will generally not accept any new information/theories around here until they're proven true. This approach isn't intended to be negative or insulting but to end up with the most compelling and logically sound conclusions. It is here within the rigorous discussion of a community that the pursuit of truth is most fruitful and productive.

Inductive reasoning is what I call it.

Although people don't know about arena and daggerfall as much as they do Oblivion, they still know there are 4 elder scrolls games. They see Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and realized there are 3 prior games, so you can't say the first and second "doesn't count". I'm not chopping your head off x_death, but your trilogy theory isn't really plausible.

I was throwing the "trilogy theory" out there for kicks. Of course Antibody comes by and freaks out. I surrounded it by [spec][/spec] and left that discalmer. But still people took me to seriously. I don't even beleive it myself.

[Emily Jones]

wow, this has degraded quick.

x_death, the whole theory is ridiculous. If you don't believe something is true, don't say it, especially when tensions are high, and never forget Poe's Law. Since so many people will come by and say "hey i herd abut esv shadowrealm whenz it comin out?" We can never tell when a person's joking, coupled with the fact that tone and nonverbal communication don't translate over the internet.

In any event, this argument is pointless. Antibody is right when he says that they will likely announce their new project soon. If it is TESV, then we're done here. If it isn't, then everyone will be upset for about ten minutes and then get back to this, like we have every other time it wasn't announced.

[Manny(BAKE)]

x_death, the whole theory is ridiculous. If you don't believe something is true, don't say it, especially when tensions are high, and never forget Poe's Law. Since so many people will come by and say "hey i herd abut esv shadowrealm whenz it comin out?" We can never tell when a person's joking, coupled with the fact that tone and nonverbal communication don't translate over the internet.

When was the last time anyone actually speculated on something new? This interview was pulled up from 2009. We already knew about it.

The last time anyone speculated was like 3 threads ago. Besides I've seen worse than what I wrote.

[Solina971]

*sigh*
Is this banter really necessary guys?

Come on now, lets take this down a notch. So he made a joke. A joke in poor taste maybe, but a joke none the less.

So, instead of being hung up on that.... lets move on. I am not asking for rainbows and kittens from everyone, just some civility.

I say November to January for an announcement, who's with me?

[KU Fint]

Inductive reasoning is what I call it.

You're half right. It's actually a combination of both inductive and deductive reasoning; but rather than explain it off-topic here I'll just recommend looking up the scientific method.

*sigh*
Is this banter really necessary guys?

Come on now, lets take this down a notch. So he made a joke. A joke in poor taste maybe, but a joke none the less.

So, instead of being hung up on that.... lets move on. I am not asking for rainbows and kittens from everyone, just some civility.

I say November to January for an announcement, who's with me?

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Becky Cox]

Your entire logic chart's Achilles heel is your assumption of the meaning of "has their hands full". As I mentioned quite a few threads ago in a similar argument over GI's infamous quote, even if your interpretation is correct it doesn't call into account the possibility that Pete could have completely made a wreck of that phrase's proper usage.

That is true. Pete has been a community manager for years and he knows how not to accidentally let stuff leak. Perhaps you're right and it is just him using the wrong words to make a different point.

And as you said, it's not like it's anything meaningful whatever it is. At this point we're already pretty sure V is being made - we're all just waiting to hear the title, heh.

[CHangohh BOyy]

I say November to January for an announcement, who's with me?

:thumbsup:

Thats what I was thinking, but then I already said this three threads back. Its why I occasionally put up a Bullcrap theory, gets people talking about something that hasn't already been said.

[Taylrea Teodor]

I was throwing the "trilogy theory" out there for kicks. Of course Antibody comes by and freaks out. I surrounded it by [spec][/spec] and left that discalmer. But still people took me to seriously. I don't even beleive it myself.

Hah! Oh man you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. Now you were kidding, is that right? It seems very strange to me, then, that we've had this entire argument in the first place. Instead of you saying "I was kidding Antibody," you kept insisting that the first TES games didn't matter as if you were, oddly enough, acting serious. You sure have a funny way of joking around.

Anyway, since x_death is pretending that he was kidding now, I guess we can all stop arguing.

[Taylor Thompson]

While it may be too optimistic to expect an announcement by November, I think it is more than possible. At least that is what I hope for. I also think it likely that the next book and the game may be announced at the same time. I am feeling just as impatient as everyone else. It feels like some timer is ticking now. I just hope the announcement is soon. I don't think I could play Morrowind and Oblivion any more than I do now, but that won't stop me from trying when TES V is announced

[Liii BLATES]

While it may be too optimistic to expect an announcement by November, I think it is more than possible. At least that is what I hope for. I also think it likely that the next book and the game may be announced at the same time. I am feeling just as impatient as everyone else. It feels like some timer is ticking now. I just hope the announcement is soon. I don't think I could play Morrowind and Oblivion any more than I do now, but that won't stop me from trying when TES V is announced

Greg Keys is finishing up on the second book now (according to an email posted on this line of threads a while back, maybe even this one). The second book will need to be released and have time for people to read it before TES V is revealed. This is so the screen shots and information about the world at the time does not spoil the book which will have to bridge the gap between the last book and TES V.

[Sharra Llenos]

I pray Bethesda doesn't fall prey to Valve time...

[sharon]

I pray Bethesda doesn't fall prey to Valve time...

Im sorry, please explain this? :huh:

[Sarah Unwin]

Greg Keys is finishing up on the second book now (according to an email posted on this line of threads a while back, maybe even this one). The second book will need to be released and have time for people to read it before TES V is revealed. This is so the screen shots and information about the world at the time does not spoil the book which will have to bridge the gap between the last book and TES V.

I feel that Bethesda can announce the game without giving any spoilers about the book. Screenshots of TES V wont spoil anything. They can wait weeks or even a few months before revealing anything about the plot. I really don't think they're going to wait for the book to be released to announce it, unless the book is out before the end of the year.

Im sorry, please explain this? :huh:

Valve is notorious for saying a game will be out in a certain length of time and it winding up being much longer than that. A few weeks will turn into a few months, for example. Fall 2010 will turn into Early 2011. Etc etc.

[Anna Kyselova]

I feel that Bethesda can announce the game without giving any spoilers about the book. Screenshots of TES V wont spoil anything. They can wait weeks or even a few months before revealing anything about the plot. I really don't think they're going to wait for the book to be released to announce it, unless the book is out before the end of the year.



Valve is notorious for saying a game will be out in a certain length of time and it winding up being much longer than that. A few weeks will turn into a few months, for example. Fall 2010 will turn into Early 2011. Etc etc.

Well I want to add to this a little because it doesn't matter if you spoil the book's plot as Bethesda and Elder Scrolls are all about the game, the book is hype and secondary... so I think revealing the game will drive hype for the book and if the screens spoil some of the book you will look at the book as a way to get insight as to "how in the heck did that happen?"

[Frank Firefly]

Anyway, since x_death is pretending that he was kidding now, I guess we can all stop arguing.

Whatever floats your boat. It'd be nice if you were just a tiny bit more polite.

Trilogy theory was bull, but so is 95% of all the other speculation that goes on here.

Its not hard to proove Oblivion and Morrowind are more well known than Arena and Daggerfall. I'm not going to pretend I'm kidding about this.
Both are GotY, both were made when PC gaming got popular, and Oblivion is heavily promoted.

[Victoria Bartel]

Whatever floats your boat. It'd be nice if you were just a tiny bit more polite.

Trilogy theory was bull, but so is 95% of all the other speculation that goes on here.

Its not hard to proove Oblivion and Morrowind are more well known than Arena and Daggerfall. I'm not going to pretend I'm kidding about this.
Both are GotY, both were made when PC gaming got popular, and Oblivion is heavily promoted.

Okay, just for you, I'll start being polite. My first business as the new "Most Polite Person in this Thread" is to end this argument so we can all get back on topic, whatever that topic is anymore.

Having said that, I now step down from my position as MPPT and hand it over to Betrayer of Humanity. I trust he will get impeached quickly.

[Allison Sizemore]

Okay, just for you, I'll start being polite. My first business as the new "Most Polite Person in this Thread" is to end this argument so we can all get back on topic, whatever that topic is anymore.

Having said that, I now step down from my position as MPPT and hand it over to Betrayer of Humanity. I trust he will get impeached quickly.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I apologize if I sounded rude or ignorant. I see now that I was at fault. I responded in the haste of anger and didn't really think out what I was saying or the consequences. I hope we can put this behind us get along well in the forums.

I too, feel that this arguement is getting us nowhere and wish it to stop. Of course this entire thread is getting us nowhere anyways.

[Andrea Pratt]

Having said that, I now step down from my position as MPPT and hand it over to Betrayer of Humanity. I trust he will get impeached quickly.

:rofl: Thank you for causing me to nearly choke on my pizza and die.

[Travis]

Having said that, I now step down from my position as MPPT and hand it over to Betrayer of Humanity. I trust he will get impeached quickly.

[censored] damnit. <_<

*sigh*
Ok. I..love you all.
:spotted owl: