Official TES V Speculation Thread #87

Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:03 am

I'm having some trouble understanding why the response to the tweet is supposed to rule out DNF. The question was: Is the cover of a game which has already been revealed, or of a game which has not already been revealed? The reply was: no. People seem to think that Reiner is saying "no" to the first disjunct in the question - but why should we interpret that way? Why isn't the no in response to the second disjunct, for instance?

(To my ears, I just can't interpret Reiner's post at all. Compare: A says "Is it going to rain tomorrow or not?" B replies"No." It's not at all clear what B is trying to convey. Is B trying to convey that it won't rain tomorrow; that it will rain tomorrow; A has made a false presupposition; something else?)
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I'd say another GTA installment would be something people would clamor for. No idea if people have been begging for it, but it's certainly been long enough since the last installment (2008) for a sequel to be announced. Though, the Rockstar guys do have a history of doing big announcements. I'd think we'd see them at something like the VGAs or E3 before we'd see them on the cover of Game Informer.

I'm having some trouble understanding why the response to the tweet is supposed to rule out DNF. The question was: Is the cover of a game which has already been revealed, or of a game which has not already been revealed? The reply was: no. People seem to think that Reiner is saying "no" to the first disjunct in the question - but why should we interpret that way? Why isn't the no in response to the second disjunct, for instance?

(To my ears, I just can't interpret Reiner's post at all. Compare: A says "Is it going to rain tomorrow or not?" B replies"No." It's not at all clear what B is trying to convey. Is B trying to convey that it won't rain tomorrow; that it will rain tomorrow; A has made a false presupposition; something else?)

To me, it's fairly clear just based on how people tend to answer questions. People tend to address the major portion of a question, even if it proposes multiple options. If I asked you that question, your answer of "nope" would only be clear if you were answering the first portion - if you were trying to address the second portion, you'd have to elaborate to clarify for the other party. For example:

- Andrew_Reiner Is the next cover a game that was already revealed or not?

- Andrew_Reiner: @MrTissueBox Nope, it has! (note, this is not what he http://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Reiner/status/12710489284939776)

Even then, it's kind of a strange way to respond. It reads uncomfortably. Most people wouldn't respond that way, especially an editor for a print magazine.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:21 pm

(To my ears, I just can't interpret Reiner's post at all. Compare: A says "Is it going to rain tomorrow or not?" B replies"No." It's not at all clear what B is trying to convey. Is B trying to convey that it won't rain tomorrow; that it will rain tomorrow; A has made a false presupposition; something else?)

I would put money on that it not being Duke Nukem now. I don't think he'd lie about something like that, there are plenty of game it could be. (Well, not really. But how do we know? Hemight come out with Zoo Tycoon 3)
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:53 pm

Either way, I would love if HL3 or TESV were announced on the cover.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:04 pm

-snip-

I've been thinking about this.

But in my opinion, "nope" = "not".

I was going to type a big essay on the matter, but I think that sums it up pretty well. I'm too tired. :/
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:54 am

As ConfusedCartman, another GTA could be it, but I don't know if people have been begging for it much. Whenever a rumor about it pops up, people get excited, but I never see anyone really begging for it.

I still don't think Valve would reveal the next Half-Life, be it EP3 or HL3 when Portal 2 isn't released yet.


Yeah, I agree, it seems unlikely.

I'm having some trouble understanding why the response to the tweet is supposed to rule out DNF. The question was: Is the cover of a game which has already been revealed, or of a game which has not already been revealed? The reply was: no. People seem to think that Reiner is saying "no" to the first disjunct in the question - but why should we interpret that way? Why isn't the no in response to the second disjunct, for instance?

(To my ears, I just can't interpret Reiner's post at all. Compare: A says "Is it going to rain tomorrow or not?" B replies"No." It's not at all clear what B is trying to convey. Is B trying to convey that it won't rain tomorrow; that it will rain tomorrow; A has made a false presupposition; something else?)


This was the conversation:

MrTissueBox: Is the next cover a game that was already revealed or not?

Andrew_Reiner: Nope!

His saying "Nope!" was directed to the question of "Is the next cover a game that was already revealed?" The "or not?" part essentially doesn't matter. If he had said "Yep!," it would still be responding to the first question.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:52 am

Don't forget about Mass Effect 3, technically not announced yet (correct me if i'm wrong), but i've been kinda eager to see the next installment... Though if the VGAs are holding some sort of ME project we'll see it there I suppose, which might lessen the likelihood of a ME related cover.
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I'm having some trouble understanding why the response to the tweet is supposed to rule out DNF. The question was: Is the cover of a game which has already been revealed, or of a game which has not already been revealed? The reply was: no. People seem to think that Reiner is saying "no" to the first disjunct in the question - but why should we interpret that way? Why isn't the no in response to the second disjunct, for instance?

(To my ears, I just can't interpret Reiner's post at all. Compare: A says "Is it going to rain tomorrow or not?" B replies"No." It's not at all clear what B is trying to convey. Is B trying to convey that it won't rain tomorrow; that it will rain tomorrow; A has made a false presupposition; something else?)



Sure, I see where you are coming from. But think, whenever that happens in real life the person's answer is almost always to the first question. Of course I think he was doing that on purpose to slyly not answer, but I definitely think he wasn't answering the second part of the question.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:06 am

I'd say another GTA installment would be something people would clamor for. No idea if people have been begging for it, but it's certainly been long enough since the last installment (2008) for a sequel to be announced. Though, the Rockstar guys do have a history of doing big announcements. I'd think we'd see them at something like the VGAs or E3 before we'd see them on the cover of Game Informer.

To me, it's fairly clear just based on how people tend to answer questions. If I asked you that question, your answer of "nope" would only be clear if you were answering the first portion - if you were trying to address the second portion, you'd have to elaborate to clarify for the other party. For example:

- Andrew_Reiner Is the next cover a game that was already revealed or not?

- Andrew_Reiner: @MrTissueBox Nope, it has! (note, this is not what he http://twitter.com/#!/Andrew_Reiner/status/12710489284939776)

Even then, it's kind of a strange way to respond. It reads uncomfortably. Most people wouldn't respond that way, especially an editor for a print magazine.


Yeah, having tried out a bunch of other similar question-answer responses in my head, I think I agree that Reiner means to deny the first distjunct. It seems the pattern is something like this. Suppose A asks "Are you going to eat that cake, or not?". If B were to respond negatively, it seems most natural to say something like "No, I'm not", to convey that B isn't going to eat the cake (so denying the first disjunct). If B were to respond positively, it seems most natural to say something like "Yes, I am", to convey that B is going to eat the cake (and, again, targeting the first disjunct). It seems more awkward for B to convey that she's going to eat the cake by saying "No, I am", (she's denying that it's not the case that she'll eat the cake). Similarly, it seems awkward for B to convey that she's not going to eat the cake by saying "Yes, I'm not". That is, it's more natural to use "yes" or "no" to target the first disjunct, rather than the second. But anyway, the upshot is that I agree with your assessment that it would have been infelicitous for him to reply with "Nope, it has" - if he wanted to say that the cover was of a game already revealed, we might expect him to have said "Yes, it has".

(I still find Reiner's response conversationally infelicitous, because I still find it somewhat unclear as to what he's denying. I need to do a bit of reconstruction to work out what he means.)
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:51 pm

Don't forget about Mass Effect 3, technically not announced yet (correct me if i'm wrong), but i've been kinda eager to see the next installment... Though if the VGAs are holding some sort of ME project we'll see it there I suppose, which might lessen the likelihood of a ME related cover.

I see that as a possibility, but how long have people been begging for Mass Effect 3? Have they gotten bored that quickly? Maybe I'm taking too much stock in a simple tweet.

That would really be a kick in the crotch if we end up getting burned by BioWare FOR THE SECOND TIME.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:46 am

I see that as a possibility, but how long have people been begging for Mass Effect 3? Have they gotten bored that quickly? Maybe I'm taking too much stock in a simple tweet.

That would really be a kick in the crotch if we end up getting burned by BioWare FOR THE SECOND TIME.


I don't think it could be Mass Effect 3, unless of course McNamara thinks "forever" is less than a year. Sure, it's been known for a long time now that Mass Effect will be a trilogy, but I don't think people could have been begging for the third game in the series that whole time. It'd be like us begging for TES VI before TES V is even out.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:31 pm

Good point, I guess I haven't been wanting anything nearly as much as TES:V
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:13 pm

I see that as a possibility, but how long have people been begging for Mass Effect 3? Have they gotten bored that quickly? Maybe I'm taking too much stock in a simple tweet.

That would really be a kick in the crotch if we end up getting burned by BioWare FOR THE SECOND TIME.


Are you referring to Knights of the Old Repulic 3? Which is most likely never going to be developed because they're turning the series into an MMO?

That really was just...just...a knife in the heart... :sadvaultboy:

Anyways...

What is the earliest possible we could get any news on the Feb GI cover? Do we have to wait for it to come out?
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:00 pm

Did anybody notice how Geoff just tweeted a T?
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:50 pm

Did anybody notice how Geoff just tweeted a T?


Link?

...Not that I'm speculating here, I just don't know who you're talking about. :P
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:52 am

Link?

...Not that I'm speculating here, I just don't know who you're talking about. :P

please link
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:21 pm

Link?

...Not that I'm speculating here, I just don't know who you're talking about. :P

http://twitter.com/#!/geoffkeighley

Geoff keighley
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:27 am

Link?

...Not that I'm speculating here, I just don't know who you're talking about. :P


http://twitter.com/geoffkeighley

Maybe it will be followed by an E?

AND THEN AN S?

....wishful thinking. Too wishful. ;)

EDIT: Veryevildudeofdarkness beat me to it
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:44 pm

Did anybody notice how Geoff just tweeted a T?

That's very odd.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:30 pm

Must... not... make... incredibly... sarcastic... comment... about.. games... beginning... with... T... ... urgh...

*ahem*

Well, he tweeted something after it, so it was probably intentional. As for what it means, I don't know, but until I see him post a "E", "S" or "V" I'm skeptical. Still, it is odd.
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 10:38 am

What could those exciting VGA news be?
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:22 pm

Agreed, what madness is this!!!



Though T will probably be for Tomb Raider
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 11:55 pm

I don't have a blackberry nor a twitter account. How likely is it that the lonely T was purely unintentional?
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Post » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:16 am

What could those exciting VGA news be?


Agreed, what madness is this!!!


If only we knew exactly when Tomorrow AM was! Is it 12:01 am? 11:59 am? That is not a proper time, Geoff my good man! :brokencomputer:

Well whatever it is, it'll likely be another teaser trailer. I'd assume they wouldn't directly name the game, and would just call it "Bethesda's next game."
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Post » Sun Jul 25, 2010 8:27 am

I don't have a blackberry nor a twitter account. How likely is it that the lonely T was purely unintentional?

you don't need either to view, but I'm guessing their is a zero percent chance that it's unintentional at this stage.
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