[Inol Wakhid]

You must be confused. Here are the quotes you should be paying attention to:

"Both Todd and I have said repeatedly that, of course, we’re going to do another Elder Scrolls game."

“I guess there’s a chance.” (of a MMO)

"To be clear, Todd and his team do not make MMOs, for any franchise, at all."

"We have another division "ZeniMax Online Studios" which is lead by Matt Firor, and they are working on an MMO."

Now what are you not understanding here? I've taken the liberty of what you should be understanding in all caps:


BETHESDA GAME STUDIOS DOES NOT MAKE MMOS

ZENIMAX ONLINE DOES MAKE MMOS

BETHESDA GAME STUDIOS AND ZENIMAX ONLINE ARE NOT THE SAME DEVELOPER

TODD SAID THERE WAS A CHANCE FOR AN MMO, BUT BECAUSE HIS TEAM DOES NOT MAKE MMOS, SUCH AN MMO COULD ONLY COME FROM ZENIMAX ONLINE

THE MMO WOULD BE PUBLISHED BY BETHESDA SOFTWORKS, BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME ENTITY AS BETHESDA GAME STUDIOS

TES V CANNOT BE AN MMO UNLESS ZENIMAX ONLINE IS MAKING IT, BECAUSE, AS ALREADY SAID, BETHESDA GAME STUDIOS DOES NOT MAKE MMOS

*Phew* Now, after having read that, if you say "Bethesda could be making an MMO," it will show that you didn't actually read a word I just said because everything there renders your argument invalid. Bethesda Softworks is a publisher and could not make it and Bethesda Game Studios has already said they do not make MMOs. The ONLY way you can be right is if Bethesda has been lying to us, which is extremely unlikely.

*brainclick*

I think I just got it.

Sorry for my apparent ignorance, but I must say it's been a learning experience.

Right. So my initial theory is incorrect. Out of the window. Null. Void. Bethesda can't be making an Elder Scrolls Online game, it's not 'their thing'. So their secret project is something else.

But I just want to get one thing straight - I won't put it across as 'my views' or whatever, I'll put it across as a question. That way you'll get less annoyed

Anyway, COULD ZeniMax Online be creating an 'Elder Scrolls Online' game as their 'secret project', similar to Obsidian making 'Fallout: New Vegas' - i.e. a different studio making a game of the same franchise?

And that large text did kind of help, Steve I had read the blog post, by the way, but if the answer to the above question is 'yes', then it's really me misunderstanding my own points :wacko:

[Daramis McGee]

Anyway, COULD ZeniMax Online be creating an 'Elder Scrolls Online' game as their 'secret project', similar to Obsidian making 'Fallout: New Vegas' - i.e. a different studio making a game of the same franchise?

Technically, I think YES. We don't know -- we can't know before they announce what they're working on. They haven't said anything. As you've seen, Bethesda can let other developers use their franchise and it's not that unlikely that they could let another sub-division of ZeniMax make a TES game.... but we've got no evidence that this is what they're doing, so no need to get all carried away with the idea

edit: And yes, there's tons of other threads where you can discuss this, so no need to fill up this thread with off-topic posts
Here's the official one http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1119156-official-tes-multiplayer-thread/

[Dalia]

Anyway, COULD ZeniMax Online be creating an 'Elder Scrolls Online' game as their 'secret project', similar to Obsidian making 'Fallout: New Vegas' - i.e. a different studio making a game of the same franchise?

There is a chance of that. What we (kinda) know is ZeniMax Online is making a "World of Warcraft" type MMO. Since both Zenimax Online and Bethesda Game Studios are owned by the same parent company, a lot of people automatically assume ZeniMax Online must be making Elder Scrolls MMO (which is not unreasonable assumption). So yes, there is a chance that ZeniMax Online might be making Elder Scrolls MMO. HOWEVER, ZeniMax Online and Bethesda Game Studios are different developers, so even if ZeniMax Online announced this very minute that their project is Elder Scrolls MMO, that does not mean that Bethesda Game Studios aren't currently making TES V.

To put it simply, there is a very good chance that Bethesda Game Studios are making (single player) TES V. Also, there is somewhat vague possibility that a different company (ZeinMax Online) might be making Elder Scrolls MMO. If we don't take into account any marketing scenarios, these two projects would not interfere with each other's development.

[Guy Pearce]

There is a chance of that. What we (kinda) know is ZeniMax Online is making a "World of Warcraft" type MMO. Since both Zenimax Online and Bethesda Game Studios are owned by the same parent company, a lot of people automatically assume ZeniMax Online must be making Elder Scrolls MMO (which is not unreasonable assumption). So yes, there is a chance that ZeniMax Online might be making Elder Scrolls MMO. HOWEVER, ZeniMax Online and Bethesda Game Studios are different developers, so even if ZeniMax Online announced this very minute that their project is Elder Scrolls MMO, that does not mean that Bethesda Game Studios aren't currently making TES V.

To put it simply, there is a very good chance that Bethesda Game Studios are making (single player) TES V. Also, there is somewhat vague possibility that a different company (ZeinMax Online) might be making Elder Scrolls MMO. If we don't take into account any marketing scenarios, these two projects would not interfere with each other's development.

Thanks for clearing that up

Well, I finally understand, so I'll join the others in wait of news... if it ever comes...

[Tom]

I have personally never had such dreams, that may be attributed to the fact that I rarely dream.

That would be impossible. Dreams are an outlet for your mind; it's brain training, basically. Without dreams you'd go bonkers.

Anyway, COULD ZeniMax Online be creating an 'Elder Scrolls Online' game as their 'secret project', similar to Obsidian making 'Fallout: New Vegas' - i.e. a different studio making a game of the same franchise?

Doubtful. The biggest fans - the creators - who actually hold the rights to The Elder Scrolls would kinda know about it. They explicitly said had no idea and wouldn't speculate on it.

[chinadoll]

That would be impossible. Dreams are an outlet for your mind; it's brain training, basically. Without dreams you'd go bonkers.


Doubtful. The biggest fans - the creators - who actually hold the rights to The Elder Scrolls would kinda know about it. They explicitly said had no idea and wouldn't speculate on it.

but they WOULD know about it...
What, you think ID hasn't shown off DOOM 4 to Bethesda devs yet? THey share info, that much is obvious.

[Austin England]

That would be impossible. Dreams are an outlet for your mind; it's brain training, basically. Without dreams you'd go bonkers.

*sigh*

Ok fine then, be THAT guy. What he meant was something along the lines of "I rarely remember what I have dreamed."

Thank god I cleared that up, that was so confusing *sarcasm*

I rarely remember my dreams, but when I do they are nearly always related to the game I am currently playing. I know, nerdy, huh?

[LijLuva]

Anyway, COULD ZeniMax Online be creating an 'Elder Scrolls Online' game as their 'secret project', similar to Obsidian making 'Fallout: New Vegas' - i.e. a different studio making a game of the same franchise?

Yes, they could be, and in all likelihood they are working on a TES MMO. Note that it wouldn't be the same as TES V being an MMO, which is what I was arguing with you about. They've hinted that the MMO they're working on uses IPs Bethesda/Zenimax already owns, and since they've already denied it's a Fallout MMO, the only other popular IP they could be using is The Elder Scrolls. :shrug:

Doubtful. The biggest fans - the creators - who actually hold the rights to The Elder Scrolls would kinda know about it. They explicitly said had no idea and wouldn't speculate on it.

They never said they didn't know what Zenimax Online was working on, and they never flat out said it's not a TES MMO.

[liz barnes]

Here's another way to look at it...

An overwhelming majority of people want the next TES game to be single player/limited co-op (like fable), not MMO... And this has been an overwhelming consensus for a long time, like around Oblivion's release. Bethesda is not going to try their hand at something that is COMPLETELY new to them while they're going up against a game that has recorded 12,000,000 users, when they could make another single player, blockbuster, Elder Scrolls game... It doesn't make sense to gamble with one of the most successful gaming franchises in the last 2 decades.

-edit-

forgot this caveat, kiddies. While in almost all likelihoods, BGS's next title will be TES, it doesn't mean that Zenimax won't try their hand with TES.

My point was that BGS isn't going to gamble when they have the skills to make a Game of year type game with ease

[Marie Maillos]

Here's another way to look at it...

An overwhelming majority of people want the next TES game to be single player/limited co-op (like fable), not MMO... And this has been an overwhelming consensus for a long time, like around Oblivion's release. Bethesda is not going to try their hand at something that is COMPLETELY new to them while they're going up against a game that has recorded 12,000,000 users, when they could make another single player, blockbuster, Elder Scrolls game... It doesn't make sense to gamble with one of the most successful gaming franchises in the last 2 decades.

-edit-

forgot this caveat, kiddies. While in almost all likelihoods, BGS's next title will be TES, it doesn't mean that Zenimax won't try their hand with TES.

My point was that BGS isn't going to gamble when they have the skills to make a Game of year type game with ease

against overrated xbox live games?

[Ernesto Salinas]

Okay, so pages 74 and 75 of this month's (December) Game Informer says: Cover reveal Dec 6th. On the two page spread is an image of a large shipwreck in a storm with the text "A Survivor is Born" across it. I'm not familiar with this game but it's safe to say that it's not TES V. Perhaps next month...

Let the Speculation continue!

[Pete Schmitzer]

Okay, so pages 74 and 75 of this month's (December) Game Informer says: Cover reveal Dec 6th. On the two page spread is an image of a large shipwreck in a storm with the text "A Survivor is Born" across it. I'm not familiar with this game but it's safe to say that it's not TES V. Perhaps next month...

Let the Speculation continue!

Wait, what type of ship is it?

[Christina Trayler]

Okay, so pages 74 and 75 of this month's (December) Game Informer says: Cover reveal Dec 6th. On the two page spread is an image of a large shipwreck in a storm with the text "A Survivor is Born" across it. I'm not familiar with this game but it's safe to say that it's not TES V. Perhaps next month...

Let the Speculation continue!

Wat.


That sounds like total bunk. Can someone confirm/deny this?...

[Epul Kedah]

To put it simply, there is a very good chance that Bethesda Game Studios are making (single player) TES V.

Evidence besides it being an obvious business move?

In fact, I see very little hard evidence in this thread. I know it's supposed to be speculation, but can't anybody provide anything other than their personal assumptions?

Browan is on the right track...

[Sierra Ritsuka]

Okay, so pages 74 and 75 of this month's (December) Game Informer says: Cover reveal Dec 6th. On the two page spread is an image of a large shipwreck in a storm with the text "A Survivor is Born" across it. I'm not familiar with this game but it's safe to say that it's not TES V. Perhaps next month...

Let the Speculation continue!

Can anyone else verify this? Or could SuperJeff give us a scan?

A shipwreck could be a viable alternative to the 'you are an escaped / pardoned prisoner' scenario seen more than once in the series.
...if the art direction fits that is.

Either way, nothing has been proven & I remain skeptical.

[RObert loVes MOmmy]

Can anyone else verify this? Or could SuperJeff give us a scan?

A shipwreck could be a viable alternative to the 'you are an escaped / pardoned prisoner' scenario seen more than once in the series.
...if the art direction fits that is.

Either way, nothing has been proven & I remain skeptical.

When Umbriel (floating city) first appears in Tamriel, it is witnessed by three sailors, Iffech, Keem, and Grayne.

What if you were at sea when Umbriel arrived? :whisper:

We need evidence!

[Jose ordaz]

You have shown your support for me and iSean.

Back up your speculations with hard evidence, people.

[Tanya Parra]

You have shown your support for me and iSean.

Back up your speculations with hard evidence, people.

Well, speculation is just that, speculating on what we have...even if it's a rumor. Though I agree, and even if it's a rumor perhaps we can have the source of that rumor.

[Jade Muggeridge]

but they WOULD know about it...

That's what I said. They would know about it, so it's unlikely that Zenimax Online is making a TES MMO.

*sigh*
Ok fine then, be THAT guy. What he meant was something along the lines of "I rarely remember what I have dreamed."
Thank god I cleared that up, that was so confusing *sarcasm*

Relax. I often talk to people who think that the world is 6000 years old, poofed into existence from nothing through the magic of wishing. Someone thinking that he never dreams wouldn't be so strange.

Edit:

They never said they didn't know what Zenimax Online was working on, and they never flat out said it's not a TES MMO.

"We have another division "ZeniMax Online Studios" which is lead by Matt Firor, and they are working on an MMO. They have not said anything about what game they are making."
From the phrase "Until then we aren’t going to provide hints or speculate on what they’re doing either." means they have very little information to the point of speculation, which they refuse to do.

[Rudy Paint fingers]

"We have another division "ZeniMax Online Studios" which is lead by Matt Firor, and they are working on an MMO. They have not said anything about what game they are making."
From the phrase "Until then we aren’t going to provide hints or speculate on what they’re doing either." means they have very little information to the point of speculation, which they refuse to do.

I took that as meaning "They have not said anything" to the public, not Bethesda itself. :shrug:

[mike]

Whats this I hear about no December GI cover?

Can somebody confirm or deny?

[ZANEY82]

Whats this I hear about no December GI cover?

Can somebody confirm or deny?

Check your hearing. No one's saying that.

Or do you mean no cover showcasing a game? If so, then you're right - they do a cover depicting something like "greatest video game characters of the last decade."

[Adrian Morales]

Okay, so pages 74 and 75 of this month's (December) Game Informer says: Cover reveal Dec 6th. On the two page spread is an image of a large shipwreck in a storm with the text "A Survivor is Born" across it. I'm not familiar with this game but it's safe to say that it's not TES V. Perhaps next month...

Let the Speculation continue!

I have a scanner but no mag.

[Jessie Rae Brouillette]

Does anyone know when the second novel comes out? It's the only Elder Scrolls related thing that actually has been announced.

It's reasonable to assume that TESV will be in a 'new' era after the events of the novels so any information/screenshot from TESV could possibly be a spoiler for the second novel, see?
Why would Bethesda want to leak info on TESV if it could conflict the sales of the second novel? Why not holding the announcement back and use it to freely promote the books?

My hypothesis: I think they will announce TESV with the release of the second novel. That's what I would do if I was their sales manager. ^^

[~Amy~]

When Umbriel (floating city) first appears in Tamriel, it is witnessed by three sailors, Iffech, Keem, and Grayne.

What if you were at sea when Umbriel arrived? :whisper:

We need evidence!

Wow I never thought about that possibility, I mean that's actually a pretty good theory. Ugh I can't wait for the next novel