[Saul C]

*snip* Here's a link to a thread on another site that contains a scan of the cover. It's definitely not TESV.

What's the other site?

[Skivs]

Nothing to see here, move along

[Amie Mccubbing]

Except as I previously stated (quite a while back) the 2 books were originally labelled as a lead-in, to bridge the gap into ESV.

That would indicate a release just before (or even alongside) ESV

The other poster didn't say "the novel will be released after the game."

The poster said "the novel will be released after the announcement of the game."

These are two completely different things.

[Judy Lynch]

The other poster didn't say "the novel will be released after the game."

The poster said "the novel will be released after the announcement of the game."

These are two completely different things.

yes, it's true, I'm a doughnut

[Allison Sizemore]

OK, so it was September, the October, then November, then December, now January... I think we all need a break... I;m thinking its announced between Jan (very earliest) to June

[bonita mathews]

Yep, definitely not TES V.

They could still announce it in December, but not reveal the Game Informer cover until the normal time in January. But realistically I guess this means we wont be seeing an announcement until January, assuming they really do want to have a Game Informer cover again.

I know I would. Worked wonders for Oblivion, I'm sure.

I anticipate some kind of announcement by January at the latest, perhaps something like they did with Oblivion. You know, those splash screens that would come up when you'd visit the website? Those were cool, if not a little misleading, since when the countdown was over all they announced was a title we'd all figured out on our own. I don't expect that to be repeated this time though, since there doesn't appear to be any real basis behind the whole "Skyrim" thing, unlike with Oblivion. I fully expect myself, and most others, to be genuinely surprised when the title is announced. Satisfied? Possibly. Possibly not. But definitely surprised.

[мistrєss]

I know I would. Worked wonders for Oblivion, I'm sure.

I anticipate some kind of announcement by January at the latest, perhaps something like they did with Oblivion. You know, those splash screens that would come up when you'd visit the website? Those were cool, if not a little misleading, since when the countdown was over all they announced was a title we'd all figured out on our own. I don't expect that to be repeated this time though, since there doesn't appear to be any real basis behind the whole "Skyrim" thing, unlike with Oblivion. I fully expect myself, and most others, to be genuinely surprised when the title is announced. Satisfied? Possibly. Possibly not. But definitely surprised.

No real basis behind Skyrim? What proof did the title Oblivion have besides being the only TES related trademark Bethesda had at the same, which is also the case with Skyrim?

[danni Marchant]

there doesn't appear to be any real basis behind the whole "Skyrim" thing, unlike with Oblivion

What makes you say that?

[Jeremy Kenney]

No real basis behind Skyrim? What proof did the title Oblivion have besides being the only TES related trademark Bethesda had at the same, which is also the case with Skyrim?

What makes you say that?

People speculated on it much because of some stuff from Morrowind, such as the dialogue of Eno Romari, some in-game books, and most particularly the "unrest in Cyrodiil" topic for NPCs in Ebonheart. There were some other things too, but I can't recall all of it right now.

Basically, there were clues as to future events in the world of Tamriel, spread throughout the game Morrowind, and gamers picked up on them and ran with them. They could've been wrong, of course, but...

[Isabella X]

People speculated on it much because of some stuff from Morrowind, such as the dialogue of Eno Romari, some in-game books, and most particularly the "unrest in Cyrodiil" topic for NPCs in Ebonheart. There were some other things too, but I can't recall all of it right now.

Basically, there were clues as to future events in the world of Tamriel, spread throughout the game Morrowind, and gamers picked up on them and ran with them. They could've been wrong, of course, but...

Somehow a trademark seems more like "real basis" to me

[..xX Vin Xx..]

Somehow a trademark seems more like "real basis" to me

Possibly, though I'm pretty sure trademarks have been purchased before by companies intending to fool those paying attention. Bethesda knows we're watching for that kind of thing, after all, don't they?

[Oyuki Manson Lavey]

Looks like Bethesda has some competition in the "Large, Open world" rpg like game category. Red Dead Redemption was, if not a fantasy rpg, still excellent and now Two World's 2 appears to be http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409961

Hopefully with competition they'll be driven to make a yet better game :celebrate: But I digress, as we'll see an announcement between the beginning of next month and E3 of next year. Then we'll get the game between "Holiday's" next year and sometime 2012. Then we'll enjoy it when it comes out!

Oh, and trademarks have never been bought to "fool" anyone. They don't care how many conspiracy theories we come up with or even if we come up with definitive proof that the games being made. The marketing guys care about reaching the most people likely to buy the game in the most effective way they can. Right now that means a big announcement with usually less than a year until the game comes out.

[Mr.Broom30]

Looks like Bethesda has some competition in the "Large, Open world" rpg like game category. Red Dead Redemption was, if not a fantasy rpg, still excellent and now Two World's 2 appears to be http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=409961

Hopefully with competition they'll be driven to make a yet better game :celebrate: But I digress, as we'll see an announcement between the beginning of next month and E3 of next year. Then we'll get the game between "Holiday's" next year and sometime 2012. Then we'll enjoy it when it comes out!

Oh, and trademarks have never been bought to "fool" anyone. They don't care how many conspiracy theories we come up with or even if we come up with definitive proof that the games being made. The marketing guys care about reaching the most people likely to buy the game in the most effective way they can. Right now that means a big announcement with usually less than a year until the game comes out.

I will say that there is a huge mountain of evidence that does show that companies will trademark names even if they never intend to use them. Oblivion has a movie trademark and it is meant so that a movie cannot be made using the name "Oblivion" unless it is so far removed in genre. It is entirely possible that an internet service provider could also at some point create a video game for use by customers online... meaning it is possible that Bethesda saw the potential for the name Skyrim to be used by the Florida based Wi-Fi company to produce a game and in order to protect their interests, simply applied for the trademark. This practice happens all the time.

While the above is entirely possible, and in many ways plausible, I personally feel that the Skyrim trademark will be used for the next installment in the series (even though I have always wanted a game in Summerset Isles).

And to further it all, the most we can believe is that there will be another TES game someday... everything else is guesswork and hope tied up nicely with coincidence and feigned perception!

[koumba]

So with what happened with Gamebryo is that in any way going to affect TESV I hope it doesn't.

[Verity Hurding]

and now Two World's 2 appears to be

hahahahhahahahahahahha no offence to you two world 2 [censored] but game looks whack [censored] there graphics are slightly better then oblivion and there combat looks non realistic and sluggish, bethesda has no competition as of now.

[Lizs]

So with what happened with Gamebryo is that in any way going to affect TESV I hope it doesn't.

Only time will tell, I do believe. Since Bethesda is decently far along in their development, I doubt it will have any effect.

[Prue]

Only time will tell, I do believe. Since Bethesda is decently far along in their development, I doubt it will have any effect.

What's this about Gamebryo?

[Connor Wing]

What's this about Gamebryo?

They're going belly-up. http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/11/12/gamebryo-game-engine-assets-being-sold-off/.

This is completely baseless speculation, but since Zenimax is in Pac-Man mode, buying up Gamebryo would give them exclusive rights to their own engine and do away with those pesky licensing fees. Me hopes instead this gives incentive to pursue another engine altogether. :shrug:

[Ricky Meehan]

They're going belly-up. http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/11/12/gamebryo-game-engine-assets-being-sold-off/.

This is completely baseless speculation, but since Zenimax is in Pac-Man mode, buying up Gamebryo would give them exclusive rights to their own engine and do away with those pesky licensing fees. Me hopes instead this gives incentive to pursue another engine altogether. :shrug:

I personally believe it would be in Zenimax's best interest to promote IdTech5 as much as possible, so I do not foresee a purchase of their assets.

The way I see it, Bethesda either continues to use Gamebryo (I'm not sure the legal issues behind this, however. Do they need to repurchase the rights after the assets are sold, or what?) and continues to develop it on their own, or they decide to finally switch to IdTech5 (with their own tweaks to the engine, of course), and use that instead, since it would be very nice, considering they have in-house help with it.

[SiLa]

Bethesda definitely has some competition in world making, jeez. I hate to say it but Two Worlds 2 actually looks good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gabxx1zw4bw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZRwEFpr3KQ

From this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=412757

edit: Make sure you watch in 720p.

edit: Sorry of off-topicness.

[clelia vega]

I personally believe it would be in Zenimax's best interest to promote IdTech5 as much as possible, so I do not foresee a purchase of their assets.

The way I see it, Bethesda either continues to use Gamebryo (I'm not sure the legal issues behind this, however. Do they need to repurchase the rights after the assets are sold, or what?) and continues to develop it on their own, or they decide to finally switch to IdTech5 (with their own tweaks to the engine, of course), and use that instead, since it would be very nice, considering they have in-house help with it.

Dont remember if it was todd or pete, but one of them, i remember, said something about using idtech5 in non-openworld games due to some restrictions... correct me if im wrong.

[Jonathan Braz]

Dont remember if it was todd or pete, but one of them, i remember, said something about using idtech5 in non-openworld games due to some restrictions... correct me if im wrong.

the jist of it is, they think idtech5 does what it does very well. And may not be suited (well in it's current incarnation) to a TES open world style game. And are currently happy with continuing to develop the engine they are currently using, which the renderer is based on gamebryo. tbh beth could go about rewriting their engine and removing their use on gamebryo middleware, but as yet I don't see any point. certainly not with TES5 at least. I wouldn't be surprised if they move away from gamebryo in th next game or 2 after, and just use a custom engine. though there isn't anything wrong with the gamebryo imo. most people don't even know what gamebryo is, and certain don't know where that ends and beth's custom engine begins.

[james kite]

I love lurking and reading this forum, but man its reacvhing the state of endless madness, if the game is not announced before 2012 i think the entire site will be blown away. Anyway, i'm one more to count that have dreamt about you TES V and that is a bad thing, that means that the game is all hyped beyond human understanding and i dont want that, dont get high hopes or something like that, even being from a series with such pedigree, i could be decepcioned later if something of the game is not as i spected...so i prefer to dont get hopes of nothing...but THE DAMN game sure gets its time to come to my house and be played by me.....SEE!? this is INSANE...i must sleep...

[Colton Idonthavealastna]

I love lurking and reading this forum, but man its reacvhing the state of endless madness, if the game is not announced before 2012 i think the entire site will be blown away. Anyway, i'm one more to count that have dreamt about you TES V and that is a bad thing, that means that the game is all hyped beyond human understanding and i dont want that, dont get high hopes or something like that, even being from a series with such pedigree, i could be decepcioned later if something of the game is not as i spected...so i prefer to dont get hopes of nothing...but THE DAMN game sure gets its time to come to my house and be played by me.....SEE!? this is INSANE...i must sleep...

i understand what u mean but we dont want to give hopes or anything like that. besidesc we cannot be sure about anything yet

[Alada Vaginah]

BTW where would u like the main story in TES V to take place this time? (just to avoid a lil these anxiety about its release date)