Official "The Infernal City": An Elder Scrolls Novel; : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:50 pm

What are these two new Daedra like?

On is white with lots of tentacles and crabclaw looking things. However, since the narrator is limited 3rd person, since Colin makes a point of not seeing this mysterious other Daedra, we don't either.

Actually, vaermina is nightmares. azura can mess with dreams to make them visions, but not indice random dreams like vaermina can.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:30 pm

I never said they were random. The opening video of Morrowind is a dream incase you hadn't noticed- one that features Azura prominently- don't tell me that was due to another Daedra messing with the Nerevarine (conceivable perhaps- but unlikely). Anyways, I'll stop dragging this thread off topic. Looking forward to reading about creepy new Daedra.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:00 pm

I'm interested in seeing how TES V will look after this book brings to the forefront some of the hinted-at lore stuff...

Such as--are we now going to see 4 versions of Khajiit? Because that would be sweet.

And I can't decide if I want Umbriel to survive long enough for us to kill ourselves, or if I want Sul to get his [censored] revenge...

It would be terribly sweet to revisit Vvardenfell, now that it is all exploded. Perhaps we could visit several provinces this time around... Black Marsh is sounding pretty good.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:22 pm

The more I think about that possibility, the more I don't like it.

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant, but isn't a good thing that ESV was predicted to be in the works or was it something about the book?

Ja'rah thinks people who think they are Dunmer have eaten too much sugar. Purrr.

And Evod thinks that the Khajiit talk too much of thier opinions.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:45 pm

You can if you can seal the entrance behind you (like with the sewers of Mournhold), and find a place to emerge later that's not so flooded you can't swim to the surface. Unlikely, yes, but so is being the prisoner who's cell just happens to be the one the Emperor needs to escape through.

Being a sewer where water is designed to collect, you'd better seal all the entrances.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:16 am

So, how about those Senche tigers? I haven't seen this mentioned, but it's pretty interesting how they were described. They're about the size of horses (makes sense, given their use as mounts), and sort of built like a gorilla, with thick 'arms' and smaller hind legs.

It's kind of cool to see that they're not entirely tiger-like. They've still got a slight humanoid (well, ape-like) build, like the other Khajiit. I found that pretty cool.

What, really? Alright, I was fine with everything else this book does, but this just sounds stupid. Not "OH MY GOD! The Khajiit are ruined forever!" stupid, but it's a big let down and sounds like it would look absolutely ridiculous and rather pathetic.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:06 pm

It sounds okay to me. Could you explain that in more detail Jara?

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:09 pm

The Senche Tigers along with the rest of that Khajiit party were quite awesome. But those Semche were just beasts.

» Sat May 28, 2011 1:53 am

What, really? Alright, I was fine with everything else this book does, but this just sounds stupid. Not "OH MY GOD! The Khajiit are ruined forever!" stupid, but it's a big let down and sounds like it would look absolutely ridiculous and rather pathetic.

Erm... the Khajiit have dozens upon dozens of different breeds, ranging from small house cat types to giants. Is it really that surprising that one of the breeds we never knew about before is a little weird?

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:17 pm

Erm... the Khajiit have dozens upon dozens of different breeds, ranging from small house cat types to giants. Is it really that surprising that one of the breeds we never knew about before is a little weird?

It's also worth pointing out that we have known about these guys for ages.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:36 pm

It's also worth pointing out that we have known about these guys for ages.

Even better then. I don't see what the big deal is, they're far from ridiculous.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:53 am

The Senches also did not conflict with anything: large, catlike beasts that are a Khajiit breed and are ridden by the more familliar, humanoid breeds as mounts. They are also quite bad-assed.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:32 pm

I also love how all the inhabitants of Umbriel are blissfully unaware that they are Daedra, and only a few even know what Daedra are. I love the implications that the realms and lands between the main Prince's spheres are apparently limitless and teem with lifeforms we can only imagine.

Are they really Daedra in practice? I mean, moreso than inhabitants of Tamriel? It sounds like they lose their memories and personality, which sounds an awful lot like the Dreamsleeve lore on Tamrielic souls.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:34 pm

The Senches also did not conflict with anything: large, catlike beasts that are a Khajiit breed and are ridden by the more familliar, humanoid breeds as mounts. They are also quite bad-assed.

And then there's the Senche-raht, who are even BIGGER!

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:17 pm

Erm... the Khajiit have dozens upon dozens of different breeds, ranging from small house cat types to giants. Is it really that surprising that one of the breeds we never knew about before is a little weird?

No, it's not weird or even unexpected. But that doesn't change that the description sounds silly.

The Senches also did not conflict with anything: large, catlike beasts that are a Khajiit breed and are ridden by the more familliar, humanoid breeds as mounts. They are also quite bad-assed.

I didn't suggest that they conflicted with anything. The descriptions we got before this were extremely vague, so that would be pretty hard to do. I knew about their use as mounts as well.

Even better then. I don't see what the big deal is, they're far from ridiculous.

It's not really a big deal, I just don't particularly like how they're described. But really? You don't think a giant orange (?) gorilla with a cat head sounds ridiculous?

I guess this leaves room for the Pahmar and Pahmar-raht to be the unique, tiger like Khajiit instead of the clones of the Senche they sounded like. That always bothered me.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:47 pm

I think the point of using gorilla was to note they had longer more robust forearms than hind legs. If you're thinking gorillas that can be ridden on, with a car face, that sounds inaccurate and blown really out of proportion. He is trying to give a model of something we've never seen before.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:17 pm

I think the point of using gorilla was to note they had longer more robust forearms than hind legs. If you're thinking gorillas that can be ridden on, with a car face, that sounds inaccurate and blown really out of proportion. He is trying to give a model of something we've never seen before.

You know i think it's not that they FULLY have a built like a gorilla, imagine mixing a tiger with a gorilla and going half way, you ge a very hulking tiger with slightly longer forearms than hindlegs. It actually still makes them have a little humanoid shape left that way.

» Sat May 28, 2011 12:47 am

You know i think it's not that they FULLY have a built like a gorilla, imagine mixing a tiger with a gorilla and going half way, you ge a very hulking tiger with slightly longer forearms than hindlegs. It actually still makes them have a little humanoid shape left that way.

Exactly what I was going at.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:35 pm

You know i think it's not that they FULLY have a built like a gorilla, imagine mixing a tiger with a gorilla and going half way, you ge a very hulking tiger with slightly longer forearms than hindlegs. It actually still makes them have a little humanoid shape left that way.

I suppose I can picture that.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:01 pm

It's not really a big deal, I just don't particularly like how they're described. But really? You don't think a giant orange (?) gorilla with a cat head sounds ridiculous?

No more ridiculous than having a different primate (humans) with a cat head.

I think the description that Daniel_Kay gave is pretty good. It's sort of a halfway mix.

Either way, to me, it makes sense. Like http://www.imperial-library.info/interviews/jobasha.shtmlsays, Khajiit newborns are all pretty much identical, but then grow into their various forms as they age. So it makes sense that even the Senche would have a similar build to the more humanoid Khajiit.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:04 pm

No more ridiculous than having a different primate (humans) with a cat head.

I think the description that Daniel_Kay gave is pretty good. It's sort of a halfway mix.

Either way, to me, it makes sense. Like http://www.imperial-library.info/interviews/jobasha.shtmlsays, Khajiit newborns are all pretty much identical, but then grow into their various forms as they age. So it makes sense that even the Senche would have a similar build to the more humanoid Khajiit.

It would make sense, yes, but the Khajiit certainly aren't all bound to a humanoid shape. Take the Alfiq for example. They're built like normal house cats.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:39 pm

It would make sense, yes, but the Khajiit certainly aren't all bound to a humanoid shape. Take the Alfiq for example. They're built like normal house cats.

As far as we know, anyway. They probably have fingers, or at least hand-like paws (maybe like a squirrel?). There's gotta be some consistency if they're all born the same: suddenly transforming Pokemon-style doesn't sound quite right. Maybe. What we need is a game with children in it so we can see what "kitten" Khajiit look like, or at least a clearer description in the next novel.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:35 pm

As far as we know, anyway. They probably have fingers, or at least hand-like paws (maybe like a squirrel?). There's gotta be some consistency if they're all born the same: suddenly transforming Pokemon-style doesn't sound quite right. Maybe. What we need is a game with children in it so we can see what "kitten" Khajiit look like, or at least a clearer description in the next novel.

Maybe they're born very kitten like, and change radically based on the lunar lattice they were bound to. It's not a pokemon suddenly change, but more of a they begin to radically change form. Remember, this is TES, so genetics is tossed right out the window.

Plus, I get the feeling the young are more kitten-like, as evident by small cats and such keeping to the tents and not interacting so much with Sul and Attrebus than the advlts.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:07 pm

Maybe they're born very kitten like, and change radically based on the lunar lattice they were bound to. It's not a pokemon suddenly change, but more of a they begin to radically change form. Remember, this is TES, so genetics is tossed right out the window.

Plus, I get the feeling the young are more kitten-like, as evident by small cats and such keeping to the tents and not interacting so much with Sul and Attrebus than the advlts.

I agree it's something like that (kind of how all human babies generally look the same for the period that they are babies and slowly grow into unique spectacles of nature), and when the Kahjiit reach a stage of growth (say their equivalent to puberty) it's then that they diversify themelves into their respective races. However, that's just my opinion.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:49 pm

I agree it's something like that (kind of how all human babies generally look the same for the period that they are babies and slowly grow into unique spectacles of nature), and when the Kahjiit reach a stage of growth (say their equivalent to puberty) it's then that they diversify themelves into their respective races. However, that's just my opinion.

It's an opinion that makes sense. I'll probably go with this unless something official says different.