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Started reading it last night, and didn't stop until 5 in the morning...

Pretty good read, so far. Argonians conquering Morrowind = awesome.

I personally would like to talk about the implications of Landfall ocurring as it did. First note, I like the way it was handled. In a way it's something for everyone. It did occur, lwhich some folks were looking forward to, but because of the ingenium it wasn't quite as severe as the Loveletter implied it would be, making people who weren't too into the idea happy. But there is the main idea. TES' timeline is already malleable thanks to the fact that Time is one half of the living dual entity of Space-Time, and now the implied global cataclysm may have been undone. It's still possible that Dunmer miners under Vvardenfell may be now trapped in the tunnels to make a new society, but my question is, did we read too much into the Loveletter/scale of Landfall as a community or has the timeline actually been changed?

Maybe Vivec likes to add a bit of exaggeration. He IS a poet. Maybe, like someone pointed out in the last thread, Morrowind is the world to the dunmer. So, by the end of the world, it could have meant the destruction of Morrowind.

I prefer to look at the Loveletter as a friendly warning from the future, and an invitation for people in the present to try to prevent the actions or lessen them, which Sul attempted and succeeded to a certain degree.

It has a very Terminator vibe to it - "The future is not set in stone. There is no fate but what we make." Remember, a mad prophet who ran a suicide cult in Mournhold once predicted that the Daedra would swarm over the land, consuming all in their path, but thanks to a Hero and his Emperor, the effects of that invasion were also greatly reduced.

I still feel a bit cheated by its use, because when I read, it felt like a cataclysm that ended series, and the world just got over itself and grew up, so to speak. The world ended once and for all, it wasn't so bad; they'd made the most of it, and they had no need for gods, heroes or villains anymore. That's how I understood it.

Yeah an empire of Argonians! An animal-like race impossible to breed with the vast majority of the humanoid population!

Not for Morrowind they weren't. The Daedra did swarm over their land consuming all in their path, wrecking Morrowind and making them more susceptible to invasion by the Argonians.

This was Eno Romari's full speech:

Our beliefs are very simple, dear friend. The blessed Tribunal, though once filled with glory, are no longer the gods they once were. As with the tides and Tamriel's moons, all cosmic powers will wax and wane. But, when gods die, it creates ripples throughout the lands. The passing of the Three will be a prelude to the end of this era, and the beginning of the next. The followers of the End of Times are making ourselves ready for this to happen.
We realize that the end of the era will bring many changes. We believe that the gates of Oblivion will open, and the multitude of daedra will roam this world freely. Some might tell you that this is a good thing, that we are descended from the daedra and it will be a return to the natural order of things. I know differently, though. The coming age will be a time of great horror.
The Daedra Princes are not our ancestors. Nor are they our allies. They will wash over the land, destroying all that man and mer have built over these thousands of years. The only protection from this scourge will be our true ancestors that have gone before us and watch over us even now. Many of our followers choose to participate in the Cleansing, to prepare the way for the rest of us. It is a sacrifice to be sure, but it is for the greater good.
It is a glorious ritual, friend %PCName. Our followers cleanse themselves of all of their troubles, all of their burdens here on this earth. They send themselves ahead to the ancestors, spreading our word, making ready for when we shall all join them in our fight against the daedric hordes.

Death of the Tribunal, Daedric invasion, wrecking everything built by man and mer. In Morrowind, that about covers the last 40 years. Kinda vindicates the End of Days cult by posterity.

I have not finished yet, either but I would like to say that it is nice to see some of MK's post-Bethesda work being taken in as canon.....or at least parts of it. Makes me think even more that the Aldudugga is for TESV.

I still think it's funny, looking at these books, to think that people thought that Bethesda had finished with the Elder Scrolls series.

However, if they plant the land with Hist trees somehow...


Would that work?

Well with umbriel going over argonia isnt their new little empire destroyed because I got that impression.

I seem to recall reading that the 'wild' argonians, the An-Xileel and others, survived because Lilmoth's Hist tree (maybe all of them) had allied with Umbriel.

In any case, it seems like a vast amount of Argonians have been killed by the tree. Perhaps the Dunmer can retake the habitable parts of Morrowind once that city goes down.

The book seems to indicate the An-Xileel and a rogue Hist tree conspired with Umbriel to kill off the Argonians (including a few remaining human citizens) considered to be too influenced by the Empire. Almost like the Khmer Rouge killing over a million of their own countrymen because they didn't follow their ideology. Umbriel gets the souls, and the An-Xileel's notion of racial purity and nationalism triumphs.

At the same time, I don't like calling the Argonians "animal-like". They're just as sapient as the other races of Tamriel.

I'm going to get the book for Christmas. I love everything about The Elder Scrolls Series. We got a book, now all we need is a movie.

I recall seeing something in the book's preview about a boy being born with a Knife for a hand; What does this mean exactly?

It's very similar to a US urban legend. Anyone actually capable of reciting the hook hand campfire story?

Interesting, but what purpose at all does it serve? I've yet to read it, though I don't mind (minor) spoilers, since I probably won't be getting the book for some time.

Off-hand? Set a mood. The context the remark appears in is that it's a tale out of Skyrim, popular among assassins. So it seems like an urban legend with Nordic origins.

That's cool
As for Morrowind's destruction, I'm not really very upset about this; I'd actually suspected that this would happen for some time now, and if the Loveletter is any indication, Morrowind (Or VV) possible becomes even more of a bizarre land.

Just wondering, during what year does the book take place? I know it's a number of years after the Oblivion crysis, but is there a specific date? As in, 4E ???

Edit: Nevermind, I looked and it's 4E 40.

How old is annaig and what Is her race?

She's in her..late teens I'd say. And she's a breton. Mere-Glim is roughly the same age.

She's 17 if I remember right, as is Glim probably; and Prince Attrebus is around 22.

What was everyone's response to when Mere-Glim "kissed" that lady thing person? I couldn't stop but reread that a few times over to really make sure what I read was correct, then burst out laughing. Talk about awkward!

Hrm..gives me an idea. What was everyone's favorite awkward moments in the book?