You know, it would actually really disappoint me if they announced it was coming on the current generation of consoles, primarily because that means the PC version will be gimped.

Games which are released in the twilight of a console generation always suffer this fate, the PC technology at this point has so far outpaced the current console generation that new games appear dated even though they are brand new. I would prefer that they wait until the next console generation, that way my PC game doesn't have to arbitrarily suffer.

Well they would lose a lot of customers if they waited for the next generation of console because its been 4 years seance the last game and its going to be about another 3-5 years for the next gen console leading everyone's interest to other games and killing its profit margin.

With both Microsoft and Sony saying that they intend to extend the life span of XBox 360 and PS3 till 2014 we are only halfway through the current generation of consoles and not anywhere near its twilight. Therefore to wait for the next generation of consoles is not a realistic option.

Pretty much this. No one believes me when I say that the current gen consoles life spans are not even close to being over, but, it's the truth. Been said by many sources from sony AND Microsoft that they haven't tapped into 100% of the 360/ps3 power and what it can do/handle. :shrug:
Not coming out with a new console for a long while.

By "twilight" I of course mean "past the point at which PC technology has so far outpaced the current consoles that comparing a console game to its PC compatriot is enough to cause your eyes to bleed because the console version looks so terrible". Example A: Modern Warfare 2. This game pretty clearly shows how superior even a low end PC is over a console at this point in time.

MS and Sony are only trying to camp the console market right now in order to make up all that money they lost by designing their consoles at too high of a price point to begin with.

Hey guy's. Don't often post here, and to be honest, i don't remember making this account, but I've been trolling here for the past day or two, and i really don't see the point in gamesas waiting for the next console generation for a new TES game. I kind of think the books are a way of drawing interest back to the series after all of the Fallout and Brink hype... Maybe i'm being optimistic, but i could see the second book being released in may/june, and possibly getting a game announcement during E3 (or even getting the Game announcement, and then the second book afterward)... call me the optimist, but I really hope I'm right... I've logged probably close to 1,000 hours in oblivion since it's release, and i'm dying for something new! bliviongate:

One thing that just came to mind is the approach of April 1st and the usual trickery that often accompanies it. We ought be mildly aware against any evil plans Bethesda may employ on that day.

Kind of like IGN's Legend of Zelda movie trailer...

i'm normally good about picking up on that stuff, unless i'm just waking up, then it's easy to fool me

have u ever played console version mw2 on a high def tv 0000oooo....it looks pretty fricken sweet to me...now if u compare it to a 15 yr old tv it looks like butt.
i would be very sad if tes5 was postponed to be a launch title for new consoles...as would many other people...the capabilities of the consoles are enough to make me fully enjoy a new tes game...and still not bother with trying it on pc.

I played Modern Warfare (the first) on my HDTV.

Then I played it on my 17 inch LCD monitor with my 9800 nvidia graphics card.

It looks WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better on the PC.

But I do admit, Modern Warfare 2 looks awesome. TES V should look just fine.

And if anyone is getting sore about TES V looking worse because its being held back by consoles...why are you playing TES? It's not like TES games' graphics have ever been that mind blowing before. Sure, they look pretty good, but they've never been the most cutting edge. Besides, the graphics are certainly not what I, and many others, look for in a game, let alone a TES game.

I would not have been terribly concerned with the graphics of TESV if it were not for the fact that the last two games they made (OB & FO3) put so much more emphasis on graphics over gameplay. I think that they are going to gut my game of content in favor of mass appeal to the new generation of gamers who love "sequences" over substance.

I would love to believe that TESV is going to be awesome and not need the graphics crutch to make it playable, but recent history suggests otherwise so if I have to use a crutch, it may as well be a state of the art one.

Yeah, pretty much this. I don't see why this is even a question in the release of TES, if you are a true TES fan, you do not play it for what it LOOKS like for goodness sake.

There is no doubt that the PC is light years ahead of the current consoles not only now but since the day they were released 4 years ago. I would also agree that graphics are important for the Elder Scrolls games in particular because the creation of a huge realistic and immersive vitual open world is the most significant element of the series.

However, this thread is about speculating on the announcement and release of the next Elder Scrolls game. Since both MS and Sony stated that we should not expect the next generation of consoles before the year 2014, we can safely assume that TES V will be released for the current generation of consoles whether that is next year or the year after or even later.

the new tes V will look great i mean oblivion has great graphics even till today im sure tes V will be the same

Well actually Oblivion was hailed as one of the best looking games out there when it was first released. Of course, it looks pretty damn bad now, but it looked amazing for it's time.

I have a feeling Bethesda will be able to make TESV look great. There are quite a few amazing looking games on consoles now-a-days, and some of them, like God of War III, have been said to not be using even half the power of the console, straight from the developer's mouth. And just because it's on a console doesn't mean it has to be toned down. Metro 2033's system requirements are insane, so it can look great on the PC, yet it still looks good on consoles.

My point is, consoles aren't going to hold Bethesda back in terms of graphics.

Oblivion's graphics are bad now?! Really? They still look pretty amazing to me, but they are considered to be bad? If Oblivion's graphics are considered to be bad, but I still love them, what am I to expect of TES V? Can graphics even get much better? They seem to be at their peak, or very close to it, to me. Do graphics really need to be much better than Oblivion's? Can they be much better than Oblivion's? After seeing Crysis, I started believing that graphics are almost at their peak. While playing Oblivion, I still think its graphics are amazing. Can TES V really look much better than Oblivion? There were four years between Morrowind's release and Oblivion's release. There are currently four years between Oblivion's release and now(still no announcement). Can the graphics change from Oblivion to TES V as they did from Morrowind to Oblivion(or more, considering there will be more time between Oblivion's release and TES V's release than there is between Morrowind's release and Oblivion's release)?

"Bad" is too strong a word. "dated" possibly, but that is only because of the answer to the other question.

When Oblivion first came out, nobody knew what the xbox 360 was capable of, so developing on it was clunky and odd. However now, having developed two major next-gen RPGs and with new software to better compress file size, graphics can still get better even now before the next generation of consoles. (Happy ending)

Alternatively, they could release it on the next generation of consoles, meaning that they would be sacrificing the money of the people unwilling to shell out the money for them. (Bad ending).

Alternatively alternatively they could to what they did with Morrowind, developing it for the PC as the lead then porting it more or less, giving it the best possible graphics period for high-end PCs and for us console users (and of course people with regular PCs instead of gaming behemoths) toning it down to the max the consoles can handle (so yes, there will be a difference between xbox and PS3 versions graphics. And I for one don't mind). (Super happy ending).

IMO, Oblivion's graphics (on the Xbox 360) are atrocious. Graphics advance quickly, and while they looked great in 2006, compared to the majority of the games coming out in 2010, they look outdated. Now don't get me wrong, graphics don't make the game, and I play vanilla Morrowind without even thinking about the graphics. But that doesn't mean I can't recognize when a game looks bad.

Judging by how much better Fallout 3 looked than Oblivion with only 2 years separating their releases, I'm confident Bethesda will have the ability to make TESV look great.

Oblivion looks atrocious? Fallout 3 looks worse than Oblivion to me(ps3 version). Is Fallout 3 known to look bad on the ps3 or there is something about Oblivion's vibrant colors that make the game look better? If Fallout 3 really does look better than Oblivion, then it can't be by much. If it is, then I think I just don't pay much attention to the graphics. If Oblivion looks atrocious(I understand aged, but atrocious), then I don't know what to think. I've never really played games with the best graphics for their time though. I didn't get Oblivion(or any seventh generation console) until late 2008 and I've never had access to even a decent PC. I feel too old for a 15 year old. Oblivion's graphics being atrocious... I can't accept that idea. Is this what Morrowind fans felt like when they first relaized the world considered Morrowind to be atrocious? It used to look great. On the back of my Morrowind case, Morrowind is being praised for its graphics. Perhaps it's just me. I don't like many games from this generation of gaming and I've always been late to obtain access to the lates graphics. I'm shocked. There is a very noticeable gap in graphics between Morrowind and Oblivion. Will there will be that wide of a gap between Oblivion's graphics and TES V's graphics? Does anyone here know just what the current generation of consoles are capable of. My ps3 still feels very new to me, and I just recently received my first HDTV. Oblivion's graphics still seem fresh to me, especially due to my new HDTV, but they are actually atrocious? Is my favorite game an old classic now?

Let us not forget that Bethseda has been quoted as saying they were going back to the game engine and overhauling it for their next project, which hopefully will result in a better optomized game engine which will allow them to have better graphics even for consoles that may be near their limits. Either way though, I would prefer a better story line and gameplay and more mature theme over graphics any day. For now though, we are starting to get off topic. TES V announcement next week. HAha, I hope. Or new book date :celebration:

I'm simply giving you my opinion. One of the things Fallout 3 improved on the most were how NPCs looked, and I've yet to see somebody say humans in Oblivion looked better than in Fallout 3.

The only reason you think Oblivion looks fine is because you're used to it. Saying you play Oblivion a lot is an understatement. But any game, no matter how bad it looks, can look perfectly fine after you get used to it. I've played many old games and obsessed over the graphics for the first day or so, but eventually I stopped focusing on them and never thought about the graphics again. But if you played half of the games that came out in the past year, and weren't so used to just playing Oblivion, you would see just how outdated the graphics are.

Anyway, as I've already said, yes, I think Bethesda will be able to make TESV look great. I don't know if it will have the same gap in graphics that Morrowind and Oblivion have, but I do think it'll look great.

I'm sad to say that since last October, I haven't played more than 40 hours of Oblivion. That's my latest save file says, and I have only been playing with this one character since October. Overall, I haven't played any more than 300 hours of Oblivion in my life. I love the game, but I haven't been able to play it like I used to. It's not because of the graphics, but I want something new. I haven't received a new game since last November though. That last game that I received is Assasin's Creed II, and I really don't think it looks much better than Oblivion. Aside from Assasin's Creed II and Fallout 3, I haven't received a new game in a year. I played a God of War III demo, but I still think Oblivion looks better than God of War III. I see the improved smoothness in the demo, but the graphics are all for blood and gore, things I don't find to be good-looking. I still stop and stare at Oblivion's landscape though. It's different. Graphics complement Elder Scrolls games more than all other games, in my opinion. Graphics in most games are for killing things, but not in Oblivion. Anyway, I really don't play Oblivion too much. I want to play it, but some obsessions of mine make it impossible and frustrating to try to play. Anyway, this is getting off-topic.

I'm expecting TES V to be released in late 2011 or early 2012. Even the thought of waiting that long is driving me insane. Bethesda needs a bigger development team if they expect to hold on to both TES series and the Fallout series. A six year wait between Elder Scrolls games is ridiculous. We should have TES V by now, but we don't have an announcement. I don't hate the Fallout series, but I can't stand this wait. Fallout 3 is a great game, but it's not an Elder Scrolls game, and leaving Elder Scrolls fans without anything for this long is ridiculous. For those who have been playing TES series since the time of Oblivion's release or earlier, this must be torture.

Oblivion has some of the worse textures I have seen in games. Sad but true. Fallout was a little bit better, indeed improved but both games had ridiculously bad animations. Just fire the animator and hire a good one. I just hope TES:V will look good, for me personally, graphics are a big concern in single player RPGs. Especially when it's made by bethesda. It's not some poor company that have very limited resources or something.

Oblivion is four years old. Bethesda always has good graphics in their games. Every single Elder Scrolls game has had pretty good graphics for its time. The problem with Morrowind and Oblivion isn't their graphics(both were highly praised for their graphics), but it is their optimization.

You're confusing graphics with imagery.


The advancement in graphics won't be as steep as they were from Morrowind to Oblivion, since those games were on separate console generations, but i'm sure it'll be pretty close. Look at Cryengine 3 and ID Tech 5 (and ID will have definitely given some input into this new engine). Expect that qualty from TESV, and with Todd's comments on really focusing on the animations this time round, expect NPC conversations to be as lively as they are in Mass Effect, rather than the wooden affair we're used to with Bethesda games. I know the gameplay comes first, but with a world created with this potential, it's going to be a heck of a lot more immersive.


I'm also expecting the trivia to end with a 2nd book announcement instead of a game announcement, and betting on GI's next big article to focus on a known game like Halo: Reach. But getting a new TES book is still great news. The story will definitely allow for a lot more TES:V plot speculation, and maybe, just maybe... they won't remove the game announcement from the first page this time? :foodndrink: