Official "when And If We Will Get TES V "

Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:42 pm

:snip-a-rooh:

Are you going to write a thesis every time someone mentions Oblivion?

Its graphics look bad (dated, outdated, overshadowed by new accomplishments, etc) due to age. Talk to a beggar, give him gold, and watch him say "THANK YOU KIND SIR" in the worst expression possible in an game to date.

It slows down even when very few objects are moving about. It had issues with lighting. Compression was pretty bad so, as I said, any amount of objects moving just slowed it to a crawl.

And I wasn't too much a fan of the style of the graphics themselves, but that's much more personal.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:45 am

You're confusing graphics with imagery.


The advancement in graphics won't be as steep as they were from Morrowind to Oblivion, since those games were on separate console generations, but i'm sure it'll be pretty close. Look at Cryengine 3 and ID Tech 5 (and ID will have definitely given some input into this new engine). Expect that qualty from TESV, and with Todd's comments on really focusing on the animations this time round, expect NPC conversations to be as lively as they are in Mass Effect, rather than the wooden affair we're used to with Bethesda games. I know the gameplay comes first, but with a world created with this potential, it's going to be a heck of a lot more immersive.


I'm also expecting the trivia to end with a 2nd book announcement instead of a game announcement, and betting on GI's next big article to focus on a known game like Halo: Reach. But getting a new TES book is still great news. The story will definitely allow for a lot more TES:V plot speculation, and maybe, just maybe... they won't remove the game announcement from the first page this time? :foodndrink:


No, I know the difference between graphics and imagery, but why have graphics if there is no imagery? I really don't see much of a difference between God of War III's graphics and Oblivion's graphics. Oblivion really doesn't look atrocious to me, it looks great. I'll compare graphics when we get another Elder Scrolls game, but why bother comparing games with two completely different artstyles and game engines? I can't compare the two games in terms of graphics.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:17 pm

Are you going to write a thesis every time someone mentions Oblivion?

Its graphics look bad (dated, outdated, overshadowed by new accomplishments, etc) due to age. Talk to a beggar, give him gold, and watch him say "THANK YOU KIND SIR" in the worst expression possible in an game to date.

It slows down even when very few objects are moving about. It had issues with lighting. Compression was pretty bad so, as I said, any amount of objects moving just slowed it to a crawl.

And I wasn't too much a fan of the style of the graphics themselves, but that's much more personal.

Yes.

I'm not yelling at him or disagreeing with him, I'm just shocked that these graphics, which are new to me, are considered to be really bad.

Optimization

I can tell, and I know what personal feelings you are speaking of. There's no need in discussing it any further. We are really off-topic.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:07 pm

Optimization

Definitely. There hasn't been a single TES game that was well optimized. They really need to work on that. Well, Fallout 3 was better optimized than any of the other games. Perhaps they'll do better with TES V.

Hopefully the second book will be announced very soon (like after the TESting Your Knowledge contest ends). This will leave only one option for the future of TES announcements: TES V.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:04 am

Definitely. There hasn't been a single TES game that was well optimized. They really need to work on that. Well, Fallout 3 was better optimized than any of the other games. Perhaps they'll do better with TES V.

Fallout 3 runs horribly on the ps3, though. I hope TES V doesn't run like that on the ps3.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:16 pm

Graphics aside (for the 76th time) I found an inspiring paragraph amidst the legal jargon for extending trademarks:

The showing of good cause must include a statement of the applicant's ongoing efforts to make use of the mark in commerce on or in connection with each of the relevant goods or services. Those efforts may include product or service research or development, market research, manufacturing activities, promotional activities, steps to acquire distributors, steps to obtain governmental approval, or other similar activities.

So every time Bethesda has filed for an extension of the trademark 'Skyrim', they had to show evidence that they had been working on the game. Now clearly that is just going to be concept art and story development, for the first couple of extensions at least. But that's proof that TES:V has been in pre-production for over 2 years now, and maybe even more than pre-production.

I think they're further along with the game's development than they're letting on... early 2011 might still be likely.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:13 am

I've been thinking. Outside the forums, nobody knows about the TESting your knowledge questions. I dont see why Beth would give this such creedence to the questions by announcing the second book after them. There is a realitivly small number of fans on these boards compared to the outside.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:43 pm

It's confirmed that TESV is Gamebryo engine, right?
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:15 pm

It's confirmed that TESV is Gamebryo engine, right?


TES V isn't even officially confirmed at this point.
We do know however, that whatever game they're developing at the moment, they've totally reworked the engine from the ground up.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:36 am

It's confirmed that TESV is Gamebryo engine, right?

Well, considering Bethesda hasn't even confirmed that TES:V is currently being worked on, officially no. But their past interviews (especially that one with Ashley Cheng) pretty much unofficially spell out their desire to keep modifying the crap out of Gamebryo until the world's ending.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:58 pm

Well, considering Bethesda hasn't even confirmed that TES:V is currently being worked on, officially no. But their past interviews (especially that one with Ashley Cheng) pretty much unofficially spell out their desire to keep modifying the crap out of Gamebryo until the world's ending.

Well guys, I know it hasn't been announced yet. I've been here for a while...

The thing about Gamebryo though is that it's a crap engine and needs to be changed. That is all. Rant at me ALL you want. Cryengine 3 ftw!!!
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:07 am

Well guys, I know it hasn't been announced yet. I've been here for a while...

The thing about Gamebryo though is that it's a crap engine and needs to be changed. That is all. Rant at me ALL you want. Cryengine 3 ftw!!!

I don't think anyone is going to "rant" at you about that...
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:54 pm

I don't think anyone is going to "rant" at you about that...

The ones who are going to say it's just fine might.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:06 pm

Well guys, I know it hasn't been announced yet. I've been here for a while...

The thing about Gamebryo though is that it's a crap engine and needs to be changed. That is all. Rant at me ALL you want. Cryengine 3 ftw!!!


RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

No but I'm sure everybody is aware that Gamebryo is really showing it's age, and Bethesda really needs to switch engines one of these days. I don't think anyone's going to argue with you about that.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:52 pm

RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

No but I'm sure everybody is aware that Gamebryo is really showing it's age, and Bethesda really needs to switch engines one of these days. I don't think anyone's going to argue with you about that.

Why not a newer version of Gamebryo? Newer versions of Gamebryo exist, right?
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:42 am

Graphics aside (for the 76th time) I found an inspiring paragraph amidst the legal jargon for extending trademarks:

The showing of good cause must include a statement of the applicant's ongoing efforts to make use of the mark in commerce on or in connection with each of the relevant goods or services. Those efforts may include product or service research or development, market research, manufacturing activities, promotional activities, steps to acquire distributors, steps to obtain governmental approval, or other similar activities.

So every time Bethesda has filed for an extension of the trademark 'Skyrim', they had to show evidence that they had been working on the game. Now clearly that is just going to be concept art and story development, for the first couple of extensions at least. But that's proof that TES:V has been in pre-production for over 2 years now, and maybe even more than pre-production.

I think they're further along with the game's development than they're letting on... early 2011 might still be likely.

That's awesome. A huge bit of information there.

That pretty much means that they've got at least a LITTLE something being worked on. As you said, it could be as small as concept art, but if they've continued to renew it, especially as recently as January, they've got to be working on it.

Why not a newer version of Gamebryo? Newer versions of Gamebryo exist, right?

Yes, new versions exist. I expect they'll continue to use Gamebryo, although I think they could do a lot better if they took the time to get a development team together and create their own engine. It worked for Id. It worked for Crytek. They'd get a lot more use out of it, as well, since they created it from the ground up. Gamebryo has its limits, and Bethesda always manages to reach them, it seems.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:42 am

They're going to reveal the cover of the next GameInformer in a couple weeks right? Just to make sure. Not the first few days of April?
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:24 pm

They're going to reveal the cover of the next GameInformer in a couple weeks right? Just to make sure. Not the first few days of April?


No, it will be in the first few days of April. They reveal the cover of the next magazine in the first few days of every month.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:16 am

No, it will be in the first few days of April. They reveal the cover of the next magazine in the first few days of every month.

So they will be revealings April's cover, or May's?
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:25 pm

Yes, new versions exist. I expect they'll continue to use Gamebryo, although I think they could do a lot better if they took the time to get a development team together and create their own engine.

I think it would be fair to say that, despite Gamebryo being their base, they pretty much have created their own engine. From what I've gathered regarding any discussion they've had about their engine, it's so customized to their specifications as to be completely unrecognizable as the original engine product they licensed.
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 6:21 pm

I think it would be fair to say that, despite Gamebryo being their base, they pretty much have created their own engine. From what I've gathered regarding any discussion they've had about their engine, it's so customized to their specifications as to be completely unrecognizable as the original engine product they licensed.

They need to start using ID... Gamebryo just doesn't cut it anymore.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:33 am

This "project" they are working on (with the re-worked engine) has me curious... I would assume it's TES-related for obvious reasons, such as past interviews and what not, but i have a sinking feeling of an MMO. :(
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:30 pm

I still think Oblivions graphics are pretty damn good. =/
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Post » Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:58 pm

I still think Oblivions graphics are pretty damn good. =/

I think they are too, but in 10 years, Oblivion will be seen as an old game with horrible, unbearable graphics as those who are still Oblivion fans will be elitists claiming TES VI is a dumbed down action game. :P I wonder what people will think of Arena in 10 years.
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Post » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:09 am

They need to start using ID... Gamebryo just doesn't cut it anymore.

Then I guess it's a good thing they're not really bound to Gamebryo's stock limitations, seeing as they're essentially modding their own engine, no? Why switch to a pre-molded engine like Crytek or Tech 5 when yours is already custom-designed specifically for the things you need it to do and can be extended for the things it currently can't do?

This "project" they are working on (with the re-worked engine) has me curious... I would assume it's TES-related for obvious reasons, such as past interviews and what not, but i have a sinking feeling of an MMO. :(

Bethesda Game Studios is not in the business of making MMOs. That would be Zenimax Online's arena, and they're not the ones making releases about engine overhauls. :)
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