I can't really fathom people complaining that there are quest tie-ins for places in a game like this. Can you not explore those places without having the quests triggered? Can you not explore them again with the quests to see in what ways can they be solved (the same way you explore Fo3's tie-inless dungeons over and over again)? What's the difference between having a quest tie-in and not having it if you don't care about quests? All games are bound to deplete of content with or without them.

There is nothing in a random dungeon with no quest(s) involved that a one with them has, and one with them has the upper hand of having content beyond being a random themepark attraction.

Lmao

This thread was just about a forum user who said that he got bored of NV, but it slowly started to became another VS one, so, I honestly dont see the point of still posting here, I think it should be locked to prevent derailing discussion and/or flame wars.

Agreed, the mods should lock this before it degenerates further into a VS thread.

you've still to explain how you've played over 600 hours in NV, when your PSN trophy account says you've only completed the game with the NCR? I dont really like the game but ive still finished it with every faction.

War... war never changes. In 2011 the Bethesda boards erupted into an endless firestorm of internet rage between several sides over trivial matters. The old Fallout fans favored New Vegas, which placed its emphasis on writing, quests, storyline and characters while the Bethesda fans favored Fallout 3 and its emphasis on exploration and combat. Neither side was willing to accept the other side's position, and not even the moderators could stop the flames for long, as war... war never changes.

Seriously now if you're bored, playing something else like Oblivion is a good idea. New Vegas won't go anywhere if you step away from it for a few weeks or months, and the rest of the DLC will probably be finished and available a few months from now.

Undecafindeed The thing that just took me in fo3 was DC/real land marks. Some people role play by blowing through the story and making a new character and blowing through it again. Me I take my time first playthrough is me with +6 balls I have over 250hrs on my first guy and I m still doing grid searches. I don t buy a guide for these games, I don t go on wiki until I think I ve done it all.

So when I play myself for hundreds of hrs I d like something in that open world to find. I don t even know if Bethesda can make me feel like I did again in fo3 unless they do NYC. So much of that game to me was the attention they payed to the DC area. It just hit home.

I didn t find the Arlington National Cemetery until way over 400hrs in on 1 guy. When I found it my guy took a knee. Or walking into the mall for the first time. There were no moments like that in nv. I was so lost if fallout 3 1st playthrough I saved the little ranger merc comp. before I got the dish for 3 dog. ps3 count.

Fallout 3 had both of what? It had good exploration (pointless IMO but whatever) and lots of dungeons, other than that New Vegas roundhouse kicks it in all other areas.
And frankly, I'd rather not have any exploration at all.
I'd rather have it so that you can walk around in Goodsprings, the cemetary and it's radscorpions and the southern part of Gecko's, once you go to the border of these places a green tinted grid pops up which if you enter you get the option of going to the next place, being Sloan, NCRCF and Primm.
Basically, a "form" of map node system.
I love doing the quests, and why I've replayed FO1 and FO2 so much is because they don't have any of that pointless "ooh pretty!" exploration crap.
I could go from one area of quests to the next and have fun.
New Vegas has me physically walk everywhere and it's boring IMO.

But this is my opinion of it of course, as well as it's your opinion that you think that exploration is a far more important aspect of the world.
Still, there's nothing wrong with Obsidians design, it just doesn't appeal very much to either of us.
For you it's boring because the exploration isn't fleshed out enough and for me it's boring because there "is" exploration.

Fallout has never been about exploration though so for the series as a whole it's not a necessity.
Sure enough a compromise could be reached to please both us dinosaurs and newfans/Bethfans.
But exploration should still not be the major focus of any Fallout game, the RPG mechanics and writing comes first.

For Obsidian it seems like they were going for a coherent gameworld, a crapload of stuff that is just cramped in there will make the gameworld seem illogical and out of place.
Which was the problem with Bethesda's Fallout 3.
So fleshing the areas out in between is not necessary except for those that wants enemies and random crap to pop up around every corner.


He played offline?
He played on the computer too?

I was just out there all lost and they just popped up on the radio an sos. That was like a 3 fallout day ordeal. I just stumbled on them myself accidentally while I was lost. I felt like a damn hero.

Then the main story everyone says was such trash was a deep heart felt story that involves your dead parents life s work and dreams. It made me hate the Enclave so much that I could role play a women that helps kidnap little kids to be sold to the highest bidder without ever once thinking "why can t I help the Enclave." Even most bad girls and guys like mommy and daddy. Daddy martyred himself to save his life s work from Enclave. Why would any sain person want to help them???? So I liked that story with a solid ending more than 27 different flawed endings in nv. nv was fine till I dove into that ending mess flaws all over it. Now I have to wait to know what happened. How long has Styles been waiting to see if his fo tactics ending happened???? I don t want to wait that long.

Styles has been waiting for about 10 years maybe, depending on how long after release date he bought and played it.

You liked the fact that Fallout 3 railroaded you into joining the BOS and didn't allow you the choice of joining the Enclave? The only options were being evil in the main story were pointless. Use the FEV = a begger die


And you still haven't explained why the endings are flawed. Makes me think you're just saying in some poor attempt at annoying someone.

because my internet doesnt work? I've done every faction playthrough, but my internet conks out after midnight.

Yup. Which is a great shame for us spelunkers, but oh well.



Sure, but they don't take long to explore. So many tiny, tiny interior maps. Aside from the sewers, Repconn HQ and Repconn Test Site, and the Vaults, most buildings/caves can be covered top to bottom in ten-fifteen minutes max.

Indeed, playing NV as a quest-postponing spelunker, as I did to begin with, is pretty horrible, as you wind up just having to re-visit the same dungeons over and over again at the behest of various quest-givers. Eventually I learned not to explore a big dungeon when I found it, but just wait 'till I'm sent there. But that kind of killed the pleasure of serendipitous discovery for me.

*Is a hardcoe gamer, as i speak there is a mountain of mountain dew cans right next to my computer*

But as soon as you signed in it would update your trophys.

Actually, i delete old saves when i start over to keep my game running smoothly.

That makes no difference. When you achieve a trophy its there for life wether your online or not. you cant take it away.

You sure about that, because i know I have given Vegas to Lanius once, and to Caesar once.

Edit: I looked it up, I have to sync my console with PSN for them to show up on my profile, i should probably do that later.

So,true.

I too am bored of New Vegas but I could go back and start another playthrough.

I say lets just let the "internet nukes" fly and get it over with eh?

Maybe then the debate would stop.

Next Fallout ----------> Fallout:The Forum

-Gunny out.

This. But this isn't old Fallout anymore, wish the old fans would learn to let go somewhat.

If both sides are fighting, does the Bethesda side get power-armour?

Full Disclaimer: I started with FO3 and gave the old ones a shot, but alas, they were not my cup of tea.

That out of the way, not everyone falls into these neat little catagories. While I can't really consider myself a *fan* of the old games, since I never finished playing them, I certainly feel the way the "old fans" that need to "let go" feel about the quality of NV's writing and story. I also really liked FO3's open world. For some of us, the best FO game would combine the best of both. I think that's what a lot of us here were hoping we'd get with NV, since Obsidian, with their ties to the older games and history of good writing, was making the game on the engine Bethesda developed. I, personally, think it was a move in the right direction. I would like to see it done better with the next incarnation of FO, since I assume BGS will have plenty of time to absorb the lessons learned from all the games in the series. A moderate position FTW.

-Gunny out.

Why should I let go of how I want Fallout to be designed along the old games way just cause Bethesda bought the license and decided to Oblivionize it?
It's the only franchise I've been an incredibly devoted fan to for over a decade, it ain't easy to let go of what I fell in love with.
And neither do I wish to let go of it.
Bethesda should get it through their skulls that Fallout and Elder Scrolls aren't the same thing and should develop each series differently rather than being carbon copies of one another.
They are the ones that should let go of their ES design and try something fresh(old) and explore new territory.