Hi ^^ do you remember Bloodmoon, yes... no ?
And landscapes ? boarrfl... not the best episode in Morrowind

Maybe you see my point but frozen landscape are always taxing from a psychological point of view
From Icewind dale to World of Warcraft Throzen throne even with superb sceneries people does'nt wish to stay outside for camping.
Wow was very 'grandiose' but we naturally prefer to stay in the nvde on a carribean beach than in the snow, even in videogames.
So please do not put sow everywhere, that wil be boooring, maybe implementing seasons on a North Ireland type vegetation.


My second point is the tourist point of view: what surprise me most and make me want to play Morrowind was the very originality
of architecture in cities. Like being a child and stay 10 minutes in front of the Vivec temple just to admire the view.
I was willing to broke into houses just to look inside. Oblivion was far greater technically but with no surprise graphicaly and less original artistically (except ayleid ruins).
The OOhhh what are those strange construtions ? is the best ever feeling of curiosity you can handle ^^

I have a strong taste for exploring and the game have to be a good change of scene for me, I would like something new and pleasant to discover not white everywhere.
So plz no viking everywhere like in bloodmoon... or like your everyday B type game

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You havn't seen the game imformer magazine? the shots from in there would put your mind at ease

Speak for yourself, I want harsh cold climates, Icewind Dale and WOTLK and any other games that supposedly have a "harsh snowy climate" have areas that look like a shaved kitten could live in, I want so much snow blowing in the harsh wind that I can′t see more than half a meter ahead, I want to sink and fall into dark pitfalls of snow getting trapped, I want to enter a dark dark cave and suffer from hypothermia, I want real ice and snow, darkness and raging blizzards!

I want Skyrim to be a place that Nords can actually be proud of living in, no sugar licking sun bathing Kahjiit should be able to survive there, nah it should be way too cold and dark!

At least that′s how I want it to be.

We already know skyrim is going to have 7 distinct enviroment types from Bethesda, plus the skyrim map and GI article show us were going to have "fall forest" which is like forest in autumn, "volcanic tundra", the big snowy plains in central skyrim and also "mesas and plateus" whatever that means. Those are just so far as well

I want the snow that makes me think of the epic norse poems.

I want it to make me want to listen to Amon Amarth.

Bloodmoon was close too be a better experience than Vvardenfell in my eyes. But each to his own opinion. I think skyrim should be more complex than solstheim in every way though. And I admitt, after a while on solstheim, the eniviroment became a little dull. In one of the scans from Skyrim you can see a hunter in sneakmode in a autumn kind of forest without any snow. Other pictures show areas without snow in them as well. Skyrim will not only be snow and ice, why does everyone think that all the time? :S vikings on the other hand, yesyesyes!! I want alot of them!!

You can also see various areas on the map of skyrim seen in the Todd Tour video (bethblog / gameinformer)

I saw area's like tundra, snow & forrest. A closer look at the map shows that the areas are almost certainly very diverse.

Runes To My Memory, cheers!

couldn't have said it any better myself

I really hopr they have a lot of variety, but with a hint that it is accually in the north. No sunbaked forest opening where you would expect to find someone sunbathing, but rather a quite cold autum, just before the snow falls. And, of course, snow.

YES! Finally somebody else who realizes the awesome atmosphere snowy climates can produce if done right in games.

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Although by Dark, I only like the mood and imagery to be dark when its necessary for it to be. Particularly in dungeons, or areas with a high necromatic ambience.

I just want it to rain mead.

Is that to much to ask?

Is everyone wanting to play Nords ? Sorry no ! I never ever wanted to play those kind of pink apes with horns and if they are proud with snow in their good for them.
Is everyone wanting blowing winds with snow in the face ? Hell no, it has to be done quite well graphicaly I agree but you have to give me good reason to climb those mountains and quite the more
reasons to stay in this mess.
My typical character is a redguard thief illusionist, and I won't stay in this hell just because you feel like it.

What I like is cities cities cities and sometimes rich dungeons, Skyrim must offer a wide range of activities and type of life and not just some stupid beer and brawls for viking type players.

Do you remember the northern area of solstheim in bloodmoon with mortrag glacier,... very unlikely because white everywhere is simply no fun,
Is there something interesting to see ? Ice Ice and snow sometimes....pretty coool
the villages were uninteresting because viking huts are replicated in every single game.
As I was saying what I like in a game is something that make me want to travel, and more in the elder scrolls series than in anyother games, something new to see.

And sorry for vikings fan, playing axe in the snow is not somewhere near original or new.
Ohh and in the snow I was including toundra forest with pines, you know it is very very rare to find pines in the north.

Oooooh O_o a pine tree !! (viking joke)

I'm asking more than the everyday player and I know creating an episode in the north is difficult because a lot of game have done this before.
And I do not want another boooring bloodmoon with pine trees everywhere.

Now, first of all you should understand I'm an actual viking so I am an authority in this field. You can't really compare Solstheim, which was a wild and savage land, which was just starting to be tamed by the Empire with Skyrim, which is pretty much the cradle of human Tamrielic civilization. Second of all, I agree that the mystery that surrounded Vvardenfel was one of the best things in Morrowind, but Bloodmoon had that too. Tribunal and Oblivion were pretty straight-forward when it comes to this, but Solstheim was filled with odd caves and weird dungeons and mystical happenings. Now, both Solstheim and (most of) Vvarrdenfel are were beneath the average level of civilization in the empire so Skyrim will probably have some more cosmopolitan areas, the Game Informer article mentioning huge cities (which is awesome) but being a harsh environment we will probably have a good deal of snowy, poorly-inhabited areas filled with mysteries.

Also, don't forget that between Oblivion and Skyrim a lot of crazy stuff happened so the "Imperial civilization" isn't probably what it used to be (think late Roman Empire) which pretty much changes everything.

Source: I'm a viking.

As far as we know the environment is supposed to be varied. So it won't just be snow and pine forests. From the maps it's been speculated that the environments will be Snow, Tundra, Fall Forest, Pine Forest, Mountains, Volcanic Tundra, Tundra Marsh, Canyon, and possibly Glacier. I think we can trust Bethesda.

I mean with Solstheim, it's just an island. How many environments could it have with it's size? Besides I liked getting to the cold winter, and pine forests after being in the dank swampland, and volcanic ashlands of Morrowind for so long.


Um what? Lol, I assume you were replying to the wrong person.

Well I guess you'll have to not play the game then.

I wasn't replying to anyone, I was ranting. :grad:

Elder scrolls series is known for the variety of game type you can play unlike the narrowminded and useless answer you gave me Dragonbone.

The point of the topic is the artistic richness of the game and I hope something more to see than just viking huts and pine trees.
New designs and architecture, beautiful landscape....
For or against i do not mind, and i've nothing against vikings, they are my cousins as I am from the celtic north also (lol for the ranting).

but give something usefull in reply (my 10 year old nephews are answering smarter things than that)
so Dragonbone plz stop shaming yourself in front of everyone with this weak level of answer.

You seriously haven't seen the magazine, only the northern coast is ice and snow and for the rest there is like 6-7 different types of sceneries.

Sorry lol I was traveling this past 2 weeks and I do not hink I would miss so many things...
Maybe you could gave me a link because I've found nothing in gamesas news

Bloodmoon looked pretty nice for a game of its time, I'd say, a game with ONLY snow would certainly get boring, but just snow in itself is something I don't object to seeing. And obviously, the game isn't going to consist only of snow, I'm pretty sure some of the Game Informer screenshots show landscapes not covered by snow, so we probably don't need to worry about that too much. Keep in mind that Solstheim was just a reletively small island added by an expansion, of course it's not going to be as varied as Vvardenfell, honestly, considering what they had to work with, I'd say Bethesda did a pretty good job, it probably helped that it was pretty different from anything we saw in Morrowind before the expansions.

Now, it waits to be seen just how much variety in environments we see, but we really have no reason to assume it's all going to just be snow and ice.

So instead of seasons they add seasonal environments that are all accessible simultaneously, and all year around? How typical.


Typical of today's lowered gaming standards. We used to have real seasons you know.

Well, OP that's your preference. I personally am more comfortable in, and find arctic places more beautiful than tropical beaches. :shrug:
I'm very happy to be going to Skyrim because the Nords are my second favorite race and I'm really interested to see more of their culture.

Snow is beautiful. After many trips to the Carolinas, I can tell you that it's one of the coolest experiences to walk in snow and explore. Just like the heat, however, snow can be dangerous. You have to remember that both heat and cold are equally detrimental to human beings...snowstorms are the counterpart of heatwaves, for example.

I've lived in both environments, and they both have their pros and cons. I find both awesome to live in.

That said, Bethesda is going in the right direction from what I see. NOTE: Skyrim is not totally snow! I'm sure they'll be lush forests, open fields, etc. Just like the northern stretches of Europe (Norway isn't always snowing).

The cold and the Nords together create that dark mood for Skyrim, which I personally prefer over the lighthearted mood of Oblivion.