I get what the OP is trying to say. It's basically net picking. They take something out like Mysticism and add in Enchanting or they take out Custom spells but add in other things. From what I've heard so far, it sounds good, really good.

I think it has been confirmed that we are getting Open Cities back.

Minor cities have 10+ buildings.

The MAJOR CITY of Anvil in Oblivion had only 19 buildings not including the castle.

I'm going to play it first.

Looks good so far.

I hope city-economies will support som lasting dynamics in the game around which you can develop your roleplay - also after the mainquest is done. I always hated how RPG's kind of 'die' a little each time you interact with NPC's, solve quests and so on. In MW, OB and Fallout, when you start a new character everything seems fresh and alive, but each time you do something, you don't add to the gameworld, you diminish it, leaving towns and places as empty shells. It's depressing and only encourage restartitis.

I completely agree. I think what they're trying to do is make the game feel, well, not like a game, but totally natural. There should be no medieval clipboard, no dialog boxes, nothing should stand out. Essentially they want to to be as NATURAL as possible. Fluid, as though you were there yourself.

If they want to make us just experience the world, then they should make minecraft, not TES.

Whoa, where was this stated? If that's accurate I just got another reason to be excited.

Indeed

This is the first, I herd about no Custom Spells. This svcks big time. The OP said something about greater Custom Character generating, then I may forgive this. I guess since Morrowind and Oblivion is so limiting to how you can customize your character (because in the end, they all end up the same) I would love to have greater character generation.

Because of games, like Oblivon, espically Civiliazation V, words like "streamlining" and "simplifing" makes people kringe. For alot of people the "streamling" and "simplifing" made people upset because it took away from the game.
What I say, is how can you simplify or streamline Oblivion even more? This starts to get me worried.

BUT, hearing that there is no generating classes, or custom classes got me worried at first, because again, they take away. BUT how many people take a Mage, or Thief and end up using them as a warrior because it's easier to use a sword than what they should really be using for roll playing. So now, you can be who you want to be and nobody can say otherwise. This is something new and refreshing, so I think this is a great idea. Lets hope the implementations works beautifully.

This all sounds great to me. I think the 'no Custom Spells' issue which has gotten folk riled will turn out to be a bit of a misconception. It seems obvious to me that spell customisation will be via perks, so 'Set as Magic Trap' or 'Extend Duration' will be a perk you can apply to Destruction Magic and therefore customise a spell's utility in an immersive manner. This would feel far more satisfying to me than twiddling with its parameters as data.

the no spell creation doesn't bother me, infact it makes me happy

in oblivion you either shot a glowy ball or did a hand gesture and glow
this could be easily tweaked by changing colour, size, etc of the simple effect
I hope that with no spell creation, this means all spells are incredibly unique and not just glows

Hmmm... looking at all that, well, I was already thinking Skyrim would be pretty good, but that all seals it - if Bethesda actually gets all that working like it's supposed to, I'll be plenty happy with the end product. :happy:


Of course, Oblivion was supposed to have a lot of things that didn't pan out, but... well, they're aiming high, and looking at that list, even if they miss they should end up pretty well up there. They certainly can't do worse in missing the goal in Daggerfall, and that game was excellent regardless of the planned features that didn't pan out and numerous bugs. So... yeah, I think we're all in good shape.

There are fewer total dungeons. I reworded it though, for the sake of clarity lol. Thanks.

Yes, that's what I'm hoping they're aiming for. That's what it sounds like their goal is. Time will tell, of course.

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Makes me sad that I can honestly say I agree.

I am not worried about it either, I trust that BSG will make a very good game, and that I will spend many hours playing it. Most of the changes they are making are not going to significantly affect my playing style anyway. But I know other people it will affect too, but that is the nature of making changes.

Fooooools. You dont make it simpler by taking things away. you make it simpler by adding things.

E.G. Dont take away spears because they arnt needed. Keep spears and make a new reason to use them.

This adds depth instead of taking it away.

Oblivion only failed because Bethesda had a small team, and were working with a new engine on a new platform. Creating a game world as massive as Oblivion is was going to have its drawbacks at the time. I think that if Oblivion were to be created now, it'd be a much more solid game. We'll see with Skyrim.

I think that the reduction of skills has been seen too much as a negative. The skills that were "removed" were merged with other skills. So instead of seeing Heavy Armor, Medium Armor, Light Armor and Unarmored, these would likely be considered sub skills. So we would have the Armor skill, and perks that would be relevant to one of the sub skills.

Where classes are concerned. Although it has not been expanded upon I think it would be great if the team implemented a system much like at the beginning of Oblivion. At the end of the dungeon tutorial Baurus would tell you what kind of class you seemed to be based on how you played your way through the dungeon. I think that a class name should continue to be used however I think that it should be determined solely by how the PC plays the game and can evolve as different skills are used more. That way a stealthy type character could possibly have their class change from a thief, to a scout and then finally an assassin based on how the PC is playing. This way we still have a class name, we just don't have to choose that name during character creation. It also ensures that if the PC wants to take on the class of a battlemage (for example) they would have to use battlemage skills in order to earn it.

I'm not entirely sure how the birth sign system would work this time around. Birth signs are supposed to be static. So if you don't choose them out right I don't see how they would still be in. The game informer article said there are now three main birth signs, the thief, the warrior, and the mage. If these are the only birth signs in skyrim, I'll be a bit disappointed. I would like to see the previous signs return and be expanded upon in such a way that if you are choosing perks aligned to your birth sign, your character would receive bonuses on those perks.

Attributes have not been talked about. I don't think they are completely gone as they played huge roles in skill and character progression. They may have been moved to the background though. It is possible that attribute progression is now passive and progresses as you level up on its on based on the skills that the player has been using. This would eliminate the need for the player to upgrade attributes manually allowing us to focus on health, stamina and magicka.

People say this, but I really think its just the mushroom trees.

im liking the sound of it, so far... skyrim is really sounding incredible!

i dont mind the spellmaking being gone... to be honest, i never put much use to it.

i dont know HOW people created "broken spells"... i couldnt even create half-decent spells!

even if i managed to get the gold... the amount of magicka required was IMPOSSIBLE for me to get, all because i wanted a lich that lasted for more than 10 seconds...

so, spellmaking is no loss to me.

the birthsign thing being gone is weird, but i dont think it'll bother me that much, if at all.

i LOVE the info about the water physics, different culture styles, birds, fish... im gonna go crazy when i get this game! :mohawk:

Edit: wait, spells have different effects depending on how you press the button, right? ...i wonder if summons will work differently depending on what you do?

i hope there are some perks for conjuration... cool ones.

"Simplification doesn't mean lack of depth"

eloquently put sir... i like your style

Pretty much this. For the rare thing I was mildly disappointed in, there was reasoning behind their decisions, as well as enough new content/structure behind the concept. As long as you aren't just nitpicking negatives without looking at what else they're doing, there's no way you can truthfully believe that this game is just going to be "dumbed down crap just trying to get them money".