NV is easier to roleplay on than Fallout 3, because you are a courier, and they don't really give you a back-story, (except for Lonesome Road).

On Fallout 3, bethesda gives you your lore.

But nevertheless, I love both games.

But Fallout 3 offers more incentive for creativity. Any 4 year old with a brain can whip up a completely made up background, it takes creativity to go 'Okay, so I'm a 19 year old boy/girl from a Vault.....how can I shape my backstory to my liking?'

But Fallout 3 offers more incentive for creativity. Any 4 year old with a brain can whip up a completely made up background, it takes creativity to go 'Okay, so I'm a 19 year old boy/girl from a Vault.....how can I shape my backstory to my liking?'

very true.

Again, I loved both games. I just liked how you could completely make up whatever you wanted for your backstory as a courier.

Until I played Lonesome Road, then I had to alter-it somewhat.

Right, because games like GTA 4 are reboots arent they? It basically said 'Remember Salvatore Leone? Remember the layout in GTA3 and LCS? Well, that one never existed, this one does.' Fallout 3 is a game that takes place on the other side of the country with a whole different experience, while simply not mentioning most past canon that involves the West Coast.

When I personally say "TES with Guns" I'm not simply referring to the fact that it's first person and uses the same engine as Oblivion. Fallout 3 placed a great emphasis on aimless dungeon crawling and general combat at the expense of things that are far more important in a Fallout game. There weren't many in depth quests that could be solved without shooting things or blowing things up, most of Fallout 3's quests were unimaginative dungeon crawls (and this includes the main story where the only quest that didn't involve gunning down a legion of enemies was Tranquility Lane) that only played out in one way, sometimes two if there was a moral decision to make at the end; this is what TES is known for, not Fallout, Fallout has a history of branching quests with multiple solutions for various character types.

There's other things as well, but this isn't really the time or place to go into further detail on this particular matter. I just wanted to make it clear that there's more to "TES with Guns" than the fact that it shares the same engine as a TES game.

Well in tranquility lane you can operate thefail safe preventing you from killing people as you nay know .But in fallout new vegas had a huge majority of quests where youhad too kill things and in fallout 1 for that matter so I don't see your point o be honest .

Tho dungeon crawling has been more of a focal point but doesn't that add to the game if anything?

Ohh sorry for my shocking spelling but on a phone the cursor is just ranom and hard to type in general

Cant we all just love fallout ?

I'm not familiar with GTA so I won't comment on that, but a reboot in fiction means starting over with a brand new continuity. Fallout 3 is obviously set in the same continuity as Fallout and Fallout 2 given all of its references to them, and thus it's not a reboot. Setting the game somewhere else in the world does not make it a reboot, especially not when there's connections to the storylines of previous installments.



I already pointed out that Tranquility Lane was the exception. Regardless New Vegas had a lot more complex quests that allowed you to finish them in a variety of ways depending on your build. Remember the quest concerning the Great Khans for example? You could run in and simply kill everyone, or you could choose from several different diplomatic solutions, some more underhanded than others.

Yes there was killing in NV, but I never said that it was the killing alone that made Fallout 3 like TES. As for Fallout 1, you can finish the game without firing a single shot as a diplomatic character, and that's my point. Fallout 3 doesn't offer many quests that branch depending on skill.



Not if that's the only option.



Your posts are perfectly readable, so it doesn't matter to me.



We do, that's why we bicker.

At your second point do mean as in thats the inly quest that you don't have to kill someone?
If you do then I think is is incorrect as in replicated man ,trouble on the homefront and blood ties it's possible to not kill a thing. Off too of my head.

I said not many overall, Tranquility Lane was the only quest in the main story line which wasn't a run and gun quest.

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And off topic how can you not be familiar with gta ?Arguably the biggest franchise ever and best .
Grove street for life!

No, I think Mario is the biggest...ever and for years to come, and someone could argue the best.

the youtube link in my last post might shock you. mario is a new man now. he aint a sellout busta anymore!

Ahhh,I forgot how great San Andreas was, can't wait for GTA V, Rockstar knows how to make games that their fans love... Even if it's just mindless killing. Bethesda could take more than a few pointers from Rockstar.

Ahhh,I forgot how great San Andreas was, can't wait for GTA V, Rockstar knows how to make games that their fans love... Even if it's just mindless killing. Bethesda could take more than a few pointers from Rockstar.

This is agreeable, but what about new vegas. good fallout game in your opinion?

My opinion on New Vegas is that it was the best that we could get out of a horrible situation.
(Bethesda wanting a TES design, Gamebryo and Obsidian only have 1 year to develop a game to this scope)
So it was decent, miles above Fallout 3, but it still failed to live up fully to the old games for me.

No us fallout forum users are the minority so Bethesda still makes games their fans love. Though I think they are trying to please both sides, letting obsidian develop one to see how it is done, would be ly evidence.

and get some colours fool! your embarrasing us [censored]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9mu_Rd8WFw

My opinion on New Vegas is that it was the best that we could get out of a horrible situation.
(Bethesda wanting a TES design, Gamebryo and Obsidian only have 1 year to develop a game to this scope)
So it was decent, miles above Fallout 3, but it still failed to live up fully to the old games for me.

Well in tranquility lane you can operate thefail safe preventing you from killing people as you nay know .

? gta4 was a huge disappoint for me compared to san andreas. they scrapped the rpg gameplay elements like gun skills. scrapped the car modding, oh i cant be bothered with another list. but at least they added manual aiming by default in gta4.

Hmmm, you took that out of context, I meant Rockstar knows what THEIR fans want, and usually deliver. Bethesda on the other hand usually doesn't give it their all, Skyrim is a perfect example while it pleased the hell out of the fans who merely wanted a "hack n slash" action adventure, they almost completely left the players who wanted a deeper story with less action based quests in the dust. It didn't have to be that way though, there could have been plenty of dragon killing if they added more "story".

Wrong quote.. Oops

And as for the whole "they took the RPG elements out of GTA", yea so what, GTA is bot a RPG and I personally hated the fact that I had to grab a [censored] burger twice a day or I would turn into smokey the crack head. I'm sure GTA V will have brought back some of these RPG elements due to everyone wanting them back (not me)

No, I think Mario is the biggest...ever and for years to come, and someone could argue the best.