The information on him being former Enclave is from Van Buren, which was never released (a demo was, but the game was never published), so it can't be considered canon. At the moment we only know that he is a Follower of the Apocalypse with a mysterious past. The power armor could be his, or it could just be like the T-51b Power Armor in Fallout 3; a one-of-a-kind you can get from an elaborate quest.

Real-time is not a progression in mechanics. It's a completely different mechanic. Some prefer it turn-based, some prefer real-time. Bethesda didn't make anything better, they just changed it.

Imagine if someone took your favorite game and completely changed the gameplay mechanics to something you don't like. Imagine if Halo was turned into a turn-based game.

Clearly? :rolleyes:

Just because Fallout 3 did it, does not vindicate New Vegas doing it, only worse. Nothing anyone can say justifies the appalling clipping that armour has. Honestly, I have seen armour by casual modders with less clipping.

Still, at the end of the day you will most likely get the clip crazy armour you seem to oh so want, Facehugger.

Turnbased and Isometric are not really related any more than 3D and Realtime are related. You can have the mix of either/ or and all at once.

Fallout 1 & 2 were realtime exploration (same as most later BlackIsle games); Its just that the combat system was intended as a TB experience. Combat-wise there was another game "like" Fallout sort of, but fully real time called http://www.mobygames.com/game/crusader-no-remorse (that game and it's sequel were both Realtime third person 2D shooters that otherwise look almost exactly like Fallout).

As for 'hating what one does not accept'.... In this case its no different than "Hating" a nice metric socket set when your project requires only Imperial. :shrug:

I'm going to have to agree with this. The clipping is horrendous. Hopefully they can fix it up a big before the game ships out.

I'm surprised they chose a screenshot of the amour in that particular position. It's like they want everyone to know it clips. <_<

Clearly, because you make it sound as if clipping in PA is a new thing. It most certainly isn't. If you haven't complained about the clipping in FO3, you're being a hypocrite by complaining about clipping in NV.



Could you, perhaps, link me to a post of yours criticizing the massive clipping in FO3 when using any sort of rifle and any sort of power armor? Just so I know this is a legitimate complaint on your part and not you looking at FO3 with rose tinted glasses.



Nah, ideally there'd be no clipping at all. Unfortunately, the gamebyro engine isn't really that good for first person games, so it's rather unavoidable unless we give PA its own animations and bones. I just don't think it's a major problem. It didn't bother me in FO3, and it won't bother me here.

So according to you I am not allowed to criticize a single model I am displeased with because you think I have never criticiced the same clipping aspect of a diferent game? Do not be silly. FYI, feel free to trawl through my old posts, after all your are the one that wants proof, not like I am going to do your work for you.

The model is poorly made that much is evident, it has far more clipping that it should have and it could be fixed up nicely if giving some extra attention, so lets hope it gets that attention. That is the last I have to say on the subject and I would prefer you do not try provoking me to post on the subject again Facehugger.

I'd agree, but I don't think one side of that debate is particularly more ridiculous than the other most of the time.


Yep, there is some of that. On the other side of that coin, though, you can't objectively point out something that FO1/2 did better than FO3 without someone accusing you of being "stuck in the past" and "refusing to move on," which is pretty annoying. It's gotten to the point that I just avoid any comparisons with FO1/2 at all just to avoid baiting the kids waiting for an opportunity to hate on them and the fans of them.

I'm pretty neutral on the subject (I don't mind most of the changes, but also think FO3 watered down or missed the mark on some aspects of the game that it would be nice to see changed), so it's particularly annoying to have a conversation you're participating in be derailed by one or more posters that just feel like taking a side and being obnoxious. It's not fair to blame the problem on the fans of the older games...both sides are pretty equally guilty, IMO.

No. According to me, you're not allowed to criticize the clipping of a model in NV without acknowledging that the models in FO3 clipped just as horrendously. Because, you know, they totally did. Remember, the whole argument started because you criticized NV for a flaw that FO3 had in spades.

Fact is that clipping is a problem with the gamebryo engine, not something that can be easily solved with a simple resculpt, unless that resculpt involves a new skeleton and a new series of animations.

Also, to address another argument you made initially that I never dealt with, the textures on the plasma rifle aren't "low quality" per se; they're the same quality as the vanilla FO3 plasma rifle... Because that's exactly what they are. Criticizing them for reusing an FO3 asset given the nature of the game is kinda silly.



I can't help it. When people say silly things, I feel compelled to point out that they're silly.

is that in new vegas..... looks like a mod

I kind of wonder what Power Armored enemies are going to be like in New Vegas. How big of a threat do you think they will pose? Explosives character would probably have it easy against them since they could just throw down a bunch of mines on the path of a patrol and pick the armor off of the chunks. I'm definitely looking forward to my first Power Armor looting ambush. Hopefully there's an Enclave remnant so I won't feel bad about who I'm killing for awesome armor. In fact, I'm almost sure the Enclave is still around. Where there's Enclave armor and Enclave weaponry, there's bound to be some Enclave soldiers.

Well I just hope that PA would actually provide near immunities against low/medium tier Small Guns, since in FO1/2 only small guns that seems to affect PA were Gauss, 223 pistol etc

You already made your point in your first reply to my post. You can continually argue with my opinion but is not like you are going to suddenly convince me the armour is acceptable.



Indeed, some mods actually look better, I believe their is a video floating around of the same armour but by a modder which looks good and clips far less.

I honestly don't think that clipping is that horrible. I won't be seeing it unless I look around to see my character, and I won't be aiming most of the time anyway. What really does bother me about the clipping is that now it seems inevitable that certain armors will clip with certain weapons while holstered. I hope they rectify that for at least some of the old armors.

The only time you ever see that clipping is when you aim the gun (Holding the L1 Tab for me,Ps3 user) Which even then is like....what...a tiny splint of the arm? I think some people just over dramatize it to be honest. Whn you have the gun at chest level or if the gun is holstered, you'd likely never see any clipping.

Yeah, I'm not really bothered by the aim clipping at all. It's just that I would love to wear the regulator duster or leather armor and have a hunting rifle on my back without seeing very obvious and annoying clipping.

The only holstered clip issue I ever had were with the Roving Trader outfit and the Merc Troublemaker suit.

You know what'd be really funny? If PA broke when you tried to loot it ala FOOK or Fallout 1/2/Tactics.

I would cry.

"Finally a set of Power Armor!" message pops up "Power Armor has broken while you were trying to loot it" :tops:

That would actually be quite fun if it was a possibility.

I wouldn't be surprised if the good ol' T-51b has a DT of 50 or so. Good luck jumping a Paladin before late game.

*Fallout 3 Scenario* "Oh cool, I found a dead BoS Knight, I'll just take that suit of T-45d and---"

*Alert Pops up*

'Hahaha, whoops, the armor has broken, and you'll never be able to wear it trololololol'

"FUUUUUUUUUUUU-" :nuke:

"Oops, the armor's energy cell exploded while you were tinkering with the stuff. You die in a firestorm. Start over? Y/N"