No. The Camoran dynasty was from Valenwood - Ayleid exiles, probably.

Ok, still seems strange but that's fine. What Bosmer would want an Altmer ruler though. (Or is Mankar a Bosmer, I can't tell what race is what in Oblivion sometimes. For example, I can tell what a Dunmer, Argonian, Khajiit, Redguards and Orc look like and using voices I can figure out Nords, Male Imperials, and Male Bretons. Bosmer and Altmer if they are standing next to each other but sometimes but sometimes I'm clueless on who is what. I can't tell the difference and female Bretons and Imperials look far too similar and sound the same. Ugh! It was so much easier to tell who was what race in Morrowind! Different voices for every race also helped Bethesda.)

Yes, the stone requires royalty though the whole A spawned B spawned C relationship has little to do with it. The reason for this is two fold, in some four thousand years, almost everybody in Cyrodiil should have some blood relationship with Alessia. In this case the main quests could be ended by finding the first beggar and crowning him Emperor. At the same time, history has plenty of examples of random, unrelated people picking up the Amulet and becoming Emperor or Empress.

The only thing left now for royalty is to act like it.



Pretty much. Hence he's glad to see the Champion show up in paradise, that means it's all, almost done. Though considering some one pegged Martin as Akatosh, Mankar as Lorkhan with the Amulet as his Heart, the player ends up being Trinimac leaving Mankar little chance.

Lorkhan/Akatosh waveform collapse.



Yea, it's easier to let go a bit of the races a physical identities and rather consider their appearance in the games stereotyped versions of their cultural identity.

Not true. Big Daddy Reman One had the Amulet of Kings embedded in his head.

Many of the Bosmeri and Ayleid families in Valenwood married with each other, to the point where you really couldn't tell the difference. They wouldn't have cared who the leader was, as long as he was elven.

Super Glue.

Any other questions?

I recall liking the theory that Mankar's an Ayleid but I don't remember it all

Well, he is the son of Haymon Camoran. And the Camorans were known to have a fair amount of Ayleid blood in them.

It states in The Refugees that Mankar's mother was a Bosmer, and given the essay on geneology, it's a bit weird that he would come out looking like an Altmer, regardless of who his father was. And we know so little of the Camorans that it's possible that they could be linked with anyone's bloodline, I wish they would have actually given us more info about them, since they're actually important now.

I also like the idea that Mankar is really an Ayleidophile who wants to rebuild their civilization after smashing the Empire with Mehrunes Dagon (third Numidium, anyone?). It's probable that a lot of the elves who live in western Tamriel are Ayleid descendants.

Can I go out on a limb here? I've said this many times before, I'm no lore buff. What if the fact that only descendants of the dragon blood can wear it is a mental thing? What if, indeed, someone merely had to think they were supposed to wear it, to be able to wear it? Obviously by the time Martin put the amulet on, he was quite sure he was emperor, however, Mankar believe he would lead a Tamriel Rebuilt, and so was also able to wear the amulet? Just a thought, although I'm sure there's some lore that's going to prove me wrong.

If Mankar is of Ayleid decent, the I suppose that could explain why he could wear the Amulet. Maybe the rules for who can wear the Amulet is something like that it can only be worn by the 'king of the White-Gold Tower', or some such thing. Obviously Martin fits the bill; but if Mankar can claim decent from the original builders of the tower, then he could also count.

Eh, just a thought.

Then again, what if him wearing it inside his realm is becaus it is his realm, and that him wearing it outside was a plothole that gamesas can't really explain away?

Why do I feel like this is the part where we are trying to discover why the bad guy dressed up as a ghost to scare away people from the haunted airfield so he could funnel drugs and money to other parts of the world, only to be undone by some hip, bell-bottoms wearing kids with a talking sidekick?

And he would of gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you dang kids and your stupid dog!

Dog? Where?

*Everybody laughs and we have the ending credits*

It's our jobs to fill in those plotholes, though! By any means necessary.

So... the player can wear the amulet of kings...

Not that I've heard of.

nope.

mankar kameron is related somhow thats all that matters

That's about it. Though it's by action rather then believe.



Nope. Until you start dispensing quests to other adventurers you'll never act like royalty. And that's only half a joke.

Other than the Akaviri snakeman who ruled for 400 years. No daedric invasion happened during that time so its safe to assume that the dragonfires were burning then, otherwise old Dagon missed a great opportunity.



Im gonna have to go with gameplay mechanics if the player declared himself Emperor and was able to silence opposition he probably could have, I just have a hard time believing the whole septims blood rule considering its been broken before.

Agreed. It could very well be that someone can wear the amulet because the gods simply will it so. I'm not sure why they would follow family lines in that case, though. Perhaps they would find a worthy leader, and then grant him (or her) and his descendants the amulet, until the line is broken and they do it over again.

edit: I actually meant to explain how Mankor could wear it if this were the case. Mankor Camoran obviously had contact with Mehrunes Dagon. Perhaps Dagon could influence it somehow to allow this. I realize this is little more than "because magic did it!".

That assumes that the Emperor/Amulet/White-Gold Tower was the only thing maintaining the barriers. It could be that all the Towers help maintain the barrier, not just White-Gold. Maybe the barrier can withstand having one or two Towers disabled, but if more go down, then so does the barrier between realms. When White-Gold Tower went down in Oblivion, Red Tower and Walk-Brass Tower (I think) were also disabled, perhaps weakening the barrier enough for the Oblivion invasion to occur.

If you're going to follow that line of thought then you should remember that in Paradise, Camoran is God.

Your right forgot about the other towers still being functional at that point :facepalm: . But Prowler's royalty explanation is most likely on the money which goes along with the gameplay mechanics as being the only thing stopping the CoC from wearing the amulet he cant act it because Bethesda doesn't let us

Ah, I thought it was mentioned that he wore it in the cave with the Dagon shrine as well. To be honest I didn't even notice he wore it at all, which shows how much I pay attention.

Or do you mean that because he's a god in one place, he can wear it everywhere? That could be true as well.