OMIGod did anyone notice!

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:14 pm

I'm not trying to get my theory to be the best, or correct. It's just that no one responded to it the first time, and I wasn't sure if there was anything that contradicted it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:58 pm

You guys are all missing the clearly obvious answer:

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=3561
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:50 pm

That assumes that the Emperor/Amulet/White-Gold Tower was the only thing maintaining the barriers. It could be that all the Towers help maintain the barrier, not just White-Gold. Maybe the barrier can withstand having one or two Towers disabled, but if more go down, then so does the barrier between realms. When White-Gold Tower went down in Oblivion, Red Tower and Walk-Brass Tower (I think) were also disabled, perhaps weakening the barrier enough for the Oblivion invasion to occur.

The supposed divine pact between Alessia and Akatosh would have taken place likely before Red Tower was activated by the Dwemer. And likewise, Red Tower remained running until the Nerevarine destroyed the enchantments on the Heart.

That aside, the PGE 3E says that the Camoran Dynasty was founded at the start of the First Era, so it predates the Septim Dynasty by far. Even if they didn't really gain their current infamy until the Camoran Usurper.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:38 pm

The supposed divine pact between Alessia and Akatosh would have taken place likely before Red Tower was activated by the Dwemer. And likewise, Red Tower remained running until the Nerevarine destroyed the enchantments on the Heart.


Seeing as the Stone was there even before the Dwemer found it, I'm sure the Tower was already active.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:52 pm

Seeing as the Stone was there even before the Dwemer found it, I'm sure the Tower was already active.

I guess the question is whether it was "activated" when it fell into the volcano or when the tonal architects placed the enchantments on it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:51 pm

Well the Tower became Red Tower when the Heart landed there and formed it.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:56 pm

Yup.

The outcome of the Convention was to leave the terrestrial sphere in their excess, for its own good, but that it should last after their departure as in the semblance of the Ada-mantia. Mundus was given its second Tower, the Red, whose First Stone was the Heart of the World, "as in the image." - http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:18 pm

So, if the Red Tower is no longer functional, how is Mundus still here? Does Nirn not need the Red Tower to be able to exist without the Divines? Or has Nirn become so powerful as to be a god in of itself?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:03 am

So, if the Red Tower is no longer functional, how is Mundus still here? Does Nirn not need the Red Tower to be able to exist without the Divines? Or has Nirn become so powerful as to be a god in of itself?

Since the creation of the Red Tower various other towers have been created, thereby further stabilizing Mundus. On top of this, the design of White-Gold Tower was done in such a way as to make it the central Tower in the system - so while the removal of Red Tower probably weakened the barrier, that's why it took the removal of White-Gold to allow for the Oblivion Crisis.
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 2:22 am

So, if the Red Tower is no longer functional, how is Mundus still here? Does Nirn not need the Red Tower to be able to exist without the Divines? Or has Nirn become so powerful as to be a god in of itself?

I think the only one that's really needed is Adamantine Tower.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:08 pm

So, if the Red Tower is no longer functional, how is Mundus still here? Does Nirn not need the Red Tower to be able to exist without the Divines? Or has Nirn become so powerful as to be a god in of itself?

Because their are multiple towers keeping the strings binding Mundus together from breaking. Red Tower was a very important tower (Since it contained the Heart of Lorkhan), but it's downfall doesn't mean all things would come to an end, it only meant that a string snapped, making Mundus less stable, that's why some people believe the Nerevarine was just Azura's puppet and, in a way, Dagoth Ur was a good guy.

White-Gold, which was the Amulet of Kings/Dragonfires, was broken, leading to the events of Oblivion, but then the tower was reconstructed when Martin merged with the essence of Akatosh/Shezzar.

However, all the towers (excluding Red Tower) are just imitations of Ada-Mantia and the Wheel, or something like that.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:11 pm

However, all the towers (excluding Red Tower) are just imitations of Ada-Mantia and the Wheel, or something like that.

The others are all imitations of the Adamantine Tower, but White-Gold is the only one which is an imitation of the Wheel (hence its further mythic significance which makes it the central Tower, and makes Cyrodiil central by association).
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:49 pm

The others are all imitations of the Adamantine Tower, but White-Gold is the only one which is an imitation of the Wheel (hence its further mythic significance which makes it the central Tower, and makes Cyrodiil central by association).

It sounds as if the elves were trying to redefine or reshape the lands to their liking by building Towers.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:37 pm

Because their are multiple towers keeping the strings binding Mundus together from breaking. Red Tower was a very important tower (Since it contained the Heart of Lorkhan), but it's downfall doesn't mean all things would come to an end, it only meant that a string snapped, making Mundus less stable, that's why some people believe the Nerevarine was just Azura's puppet and, in a way, Dagoth Ur was a good guy.

Btw, you are correct there:
    "The fall of Red Tower should not be seen as the suave conquest of Cyrodiil's agencies, for we have been tricked again by the Dagonites. Though through long eras the chimerical landgods have subverted Divine rule, their protection of the First Stone should have remained as it was: the ironic protection of our enemies to our Enemy."http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml

It sounds as if the elves were trying to redefine or reshape the lands to their liking by building Towers.

Well that is half the point:
    "The Stones are magical and physical echoes of the Zero Stone, by which a Tower might focus its energy to mold creation."http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:38 pm

It sounds as if the elves were trying to redefine or reshape the lands to their liking by building Towers.

By the creation of the artificial towers, which keeps credence to a theory that the only towers that are important to keeping Mundus together (as in, still existings) are Ada-Mantia and Red Tower, since they were "created" by the et'ada. Where as the other towers (Snow Throat, Walk-Brass, White-Gold, Green Something, Crystal-Like-Law, the Khajiits high as hell on moonsugar, and the towers of Hammerfell, and Argonia) those seems to be the ones that allow Nirn to takes it's shape and keep the daedra from being able to walk about freely like they did in the Merethic Era (or Dawn Era, whatever.)

Or I could be a crack pot who is sleep deprived, who knows.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:15 pm

By the creation of the artificial towers, which keeps credence to a theory that the only towers that are important to keeping Mundus together (as in, still existings) are Ada-Mantia and Red Tower, since they were "created" by the et'ada. Where as the other towers (Snow Throat, Walk-Brass, White-Gold, Green Something, Crystal-Like-Law, the Khajiits high as hell on moonsugar, and the towers of Hammerfell, and Argonia) those seems to be the ones that allow Nirn to takes it's shape and keep the daedra from being able to walk about freely like they did in the Merethic Era (or Dawn Era, whatever.)

Or I could be a crack pot who is sleep deprived, who knows.

Green-Sap Tower, I think (presumably the tree-city of Falinesti in Valenwood).

I don't think there's one in Hammerfell, but there is one in Yokunda (Orchilac Tower, or something along those lines).
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Post » Sun May 29, 2011 12:10 am

The Prophet in KotN pretty much states that blood lineage is irrelevant to truly being royalty in this sense. I've always thought the MQ of Oblvion would have been better if there were some doubt whether Martin were truly Uriel's son, or just a a man with the right actions/attitude to take up the throne.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:03 pm

Or I could be a crack pot who is sleep deprived, who knows.


Hey, stay in the TES spirit. You're a sleep deprived skooma addict.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:56 pm

Green-Sap Tower, I think (presumably the tree-city of Falinesti in Valenwood).

I don't think there's one in Hammerfell, but there is one in Yokunda (Orchilac Tower, or something along those lines).


You're right with Green-Sap regarding nomenclature and there isn't any tower in Hammerfell
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:25 pm

Way to veer off-topic guys. This was about why Camoran could wear the amulet, not towers.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:49 pm

Lol you must not have been in the forum long. I've seen this happen countless times :).
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:05 pm

By the creation of the artificial towers, which keeps credence to a theory that the only towers that are important to keeping Mundus together (as in, still existings) are Ada-Mantia and Red Tower, since they were "created" by the et'ada. Where as the other towers (Snow Throat, Walk-Brass, White-Gold, Green Something, Crystal-Like-Law, the Khajiits high as hell on moonsugar, and the towers of Hammerfell, and Argonia) those seems to be the ones that allow Nirn to takes it's shape and keep the daedra from being able to walk about freely like they did in the Merethic Era (or Dawn Era, whatever.)

What I find interesting is how Mehrunes Dagon relied on his own Towers to link his realm to Nirn. And from the look of how many of them he had, it looks like he had been planning this invasion for some time.

Edit: Regarding Mankar, it seems he had also been in on the planning for quite a long time.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 11:16 am

By the creation of the artificial towers, which keeps credence to a theory that the only towers that are important to keeping Mundus together (as in, still existings) are Ada-Mantia and Red Tower, since they were "created" by the et'ada. Where as the other towers (Snow Throat, Walk-Brass, White-Gold, Green Something, Crystal-Like-Law, the Khajiits high as hell on moonsugar, and the towers of Hammerfell, and Argonia) those seems to be the ones that allow Nirn to takes it's shape and keep the daedra from being able to walk about freely like they did in the Merethic Era (or Dawn Era, whatever.)

There's not anything to suggest that the other Towers are 'artificial', especially with White-Gold having the added significance.

Also, the Daedra didn't ever walk freely.
Hey, stay in the TES spirit. You're a sleep deprived skooma addict.

And we wouldn't have it any other way... B)
Way to veer off-topic guys. This was about why Camoran could wear the amulet, not towers.

Topics are for communists and those that like to kill kittens... and surely you don't like to kill kittens do you? :sad:
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:57 pm

What I find interesting is how Mehrunes Dagon relied on his own Towers to link his realm to Nirn. And from the look of how many of them he had, it looks like he had been planning this invasion for some time.

Edit: Regarding Mankar, it seems he had also been in on the planning for quite a long time.


Actually, given that these were little citadels with no other apparent strategic significance (aside from holding territory in Oblivion), I assumed that the Towers there were also acting as anchors of reality to the realm. By taking the stone from the citadel, you were actually destroying that area of land. But your interpretation is probably more correct, given that Liminal Bridges gives your interpretation some support. I was extrapolating mine from the purpose of the Nirn Towers laid down in Intercept.
And with regards to the invasion for some time bit: He is the Daedra Lord of Ambition and he's had about 40 years since the Battlespire incident.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:46 pm

There could be many explanations....
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