Only Third Person View While Riding Horse? Why? : V - Skyrim

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:24 am

Why? Because they felt like it.... :facepalm:

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:16 am

I'm completely fine with 3rd person view. In fact, many games I've played are in 3rd-person view.... not sure what's the big deal??

I have no problem with 3rd person view being an option like it is almost everywhere else in the game, I have a problem with it being forced. When I play an Elder Scrolls game, I like to see what my character sees and only what my character sees.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:26 pm

Yes, you're making a big deal out of it and yes... we've heard it all before. Many times.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:27 pm

Yes, you're making a big deal out of it and yes... we've heard it all before. Many times.

We're making a big deal out of it because to some of us it is, in fact, a big deal.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:09 pm

One of the many little things mods will fix about Skyrim. Like how Morrowind was superior to Oblivion in certain ways (not all) Oblivion will be superior to Skyrim in some ways (not all).

But I suppose my first play-through will be without a horse and possibly if I get too annoyed with the forced 3rd person in the forced finishing moves I may end up not playing the game at all until that gets fixed with mods.

Really I'm not saying I can't play a game in 3rd person but I've grown to expect certain standards from TES above other series and I'd rather take my lemons and wait longer for others to bring the game back up to said standards than simply resign myself to whatever problems the latest installment in the series may bring.

A new game should always add to the old ones, it should not be a process of swapping out old good features for new good features figuring the fans will like the new good features above the old good features, quite a few fans such as myself like constant 1st person mode more than finishing moves. If it is impossible to have horses or finishing moves without 3rd person it would be better to skip finishing moves and horses, heck they don't even need to go that far, just make certain players don't get forced to use either.

I can see this, but there are certain things I always do in third person personally, to make it easier. Like if I'm sneaking around a building and I want to look in the next room before walking in it... I don't like detect life. So I pan out, move the camera, and look. Controlling a horse while seeing whats around me is infinitely easier in third person. That, and one of the main reasons I never did third person in other games is because the animations and control were terrible. Spinning around felt too loose, the run/jump/fighting animations were junk. Ugh. Hear they fixed that though.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:20 pm

Asses are not horses.

Hey, that sense of humour there, eh?

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:23 pm

We're making a big deal out of it because to some of us it is, in fact, a big deal.

It's a video game. If this sort of thing impacts on your life so much you're fretting over it, you need to go outside and take some deep breaths.

Whilst I don't consider it preferable myself, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Relax.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:14 pm

I have no problem with 3rd person view being an option like it is almost everywhere else in the game, I have a problem with it being forced. When I play an Elder Scrolls game, I like to see what my character sees and only what my character sees.

And when I ride a horse IRL i can turn my head without turning his entire body to face the direction in which my head is.

I cannot do that unless i'm in third person on the PC.

That is probably the entire reason they did it if they did in fact do what everyone's whining they did.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:44 pm

They did it strictly to piss you off

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:31 pm

And when I ride a horse IRL i can turn my head without turning his entire body to face the direction in which my head is.

I cannot do that unless i'm in third person on the PC.

That is probably the entire reason they did it if they did in fact do what everyone's whining they did.

In Oblivion, turning your head while on a horse did only turn the head, what's your point? Until we half full 180 degree FOV systems first person will be imperfect, but that's no reason to take the choice away.

» Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:02 am

Because it's got a cute ass.

Get it? Horse? Ass?

See what I did there? Huh? See what I did?

Asses are Donkeys.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:46 pm

OH. MY. GOD!! I have to ride horses in third person!? It's not a big deal but suddenly I will realize that I was playing a game all along! My IMMERSHUNZ is ruined! Curse you Bethesdaaaaaa!

/cancelpreorder :cryvaultboy: :cryvaultboy: :cryvaultboy:

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:12 am

Asses are Donkeys.

Oh, god save me from pedants.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:22 pm

OH. MY. GOD!! I have to ride horses in third person!? It's not a big deal but suddenly I will realize that I was playing a game all along! My IMMERSHUNZ is ruined! Curse you Bethesdaaaaaa!

/cancelpreorder :cryvaultboy: :cryvaultboy: :cryvaultboy:

The same kind of attitude given to those who read books and early D&D players. Just because you don't grasp atmosphere and immersion as an important factor of a game it does not mean others do not find those elements important.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:46 pm

@ Weightaholic
Party poopers, amirite? Also, further proof that biology-nazis are just as bad as grammar-nazis.

» Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:09 am

Oh, god save me from pedants.

Make a joke with its foundation in wordplay and you'd better be ready for the pedants.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:08 pm

To give modders something else to work on perhaps?
So yeah, I am looking forward to riding in first person.

» Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:08 am

The same kind of attitude given to those who read books and early D&D players. Just because you don't grasp atmosphere and immersion as an important factor of a game it does not mean others do not find those elements important.

Except it's not a big deal. At all. In the end you're still riding a horse with full opportunity to view the beautiful world around you. Is having to bear watching your horse gallop really that much of a problem? And besides, the IMMERSHUNZ excuse is being thrown around so much it's losing whatever meaning it ever had. See sig.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:20 pm

Yes, you're making a big deal out of it and yes... we've heard it all before. Many times.

It is a big deal actually, to me and many others. Especially when the developers THEMSELVES have made a big deal about it aswell! You know how many times I've heard Mr Howard himself state that this game is meant to be played in first person? How the hell are you going to tell me to play this game in first person in order to experience it fully and then you f*cking force me to ride all the mounts only in 3rd person view? Yeah it is a big deal to me. I'm not saying is going to stop me from bying the game, because it won't, but don't tell me the game is meant to be played a certain way and then force me to play it the complete opposite from what your suggesting in the first place. So yeah, I dont like the fact that I can only ride all the different mounts in 3rd person. Is an immersion killer for me, it really is.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:43 pm

It's a video game. If this sort of thing impacts on your life so much you're fretting over it, you need to go outside and take some deep breaths.

Whilst I don't consider it preferable myself, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Relax.

Beautifully said. People wonder why I haven't said a single negative thing in 10+ months here. Because it's a video game and I play these games for fun. I will be completely satisfied on 11.11.11.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:06 pm

I would like to add that I am glad we even have horses in.
For awhile it looked like it might not have happened.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:10 am

Beautifully said. People wonder why I haven't said a single negative thing in 10+ months here. Because it's a video game! I play these games for fun! I will be completely satisfied on 11.11.11.

I play them for fun too, and can do so on the order of hundreds of hours. Forgive me for caring about the quality of something to which I'll be devoting a considerable sum of time.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:43 pm

Except it's not a big deal. At all. In the end you're still riding a horse with full opportunity to view the beautiful world around you. Is having to bear watching your horse gallop really that much of a problem? And besides, the IMMERSHUNZ excuse is being thrown around so much it's losing whatever meaning it ever had. See sig.

The word is used once by the OP and then the 2nd person to bring up the word is you. There is nothing wrong with watching a horse gallop all by itself, it's when you are anchored to it yet you see it far from a distance then it becomes a problem. Anything that distances you from the character is bad. It is not the main aspiration of a good RPG to immerse the player in the world but I'd argue it is the 2nd highest priority of an RPG being closely tied to its main priority, so things that strike the player as a reminder that they are not taking a step forward when they press W but that they are commanding a character like a puppet on strings to take a step forward, are bad things for the game.

Yes I realize some people are throwing the word "immersion" around too much however that does not mean it can't be used within proper context. It can also get a little annoying when people start to bash on people with legit concerns about the atmosphere of the game and how well a player can immerse him or herself within its setting, using the term "IMMERSHUNZ".

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:10 pm

Oblivian's horses were not enjoyable to use in the 1st person. I am glad that they pushed it to 3rd person only because perhaps in Skyrim, they will be useful instead of irritating. I would prefer Beth make a change that actually improves the game rather than keeping something that is broken just so you can fully immerse yourself in a video game.

I really don't see how anyone could use Oblivian horses in 1st person. They were useless.

» Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:30 am

Is having to bear watching your horse gallop really that much of a problem?

You're missing the point. People are upset because a choice is being taken away.