Only YOU can kill dragons

Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:30 pm

You know how in Morrowind when using levitate the NPC had nothing to counter you with, same hear. Dragons fly= NPC lose every time.


Yes, because in almost 9 years AI hasn't improved in the least bit, despite them working on dragons for 2 years. I'm sure they've thought of "let's let guards use bows".
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:37 am

What makes my iron sword better than the iron sword wielded by the guy next to me? It's been said that you aren't the only one to be able to use dragon shouts. You may be the only one they fear and they truly see as a legitimate threat, but that doesn't mean you're the only one who can kill them. After all, in that case in order for the dragons to destroy all of Skyrim they just need to attack all cities at once, you can't be EVERYWHERE at once you know.

Also, I don't see how this thread is spreading a misconception. I asked why are people saying that's how it is. I want to see the quote or the podcast that shows someone claiming that only you can kill dragons.

"Dragonborn".
Pretty much all there is to say.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:15 pm

Yes, because in almost 9 years AI hasn't improved in the least bit, despite them working on dragons for 2 years. I'm sure they've thought of "let's let guards use bows".

Ah Ha! That means BGS should put levitation back in the game! Ha ha you fell for my bait so hungerly!!

Levitation in Skyrim! So say'd I!
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:59 pm

What makes my iron sword better than the iron sword wielded by the guy next to me?


Rules of Drama. You're the Hero?, you're the center of the story, you're special. If just anyone could do it, you wouldn't be Super Awesome Special Guy, and.... that'd be boring?
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:40 am

Rules of Drama. You're the Hero?, you're the center of the story, you're special. If just anyone could do it, you wouldn't be Super Awesome Special Guy, and.... that'd be boring?


Tell that to the Champion of Cyrodiil as he trains the Bruma guards on how to take down an Oblvion Gate? :P
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 7:33 pm

I always assumed the fear wasn't about merely killing them. But about your ability to use their magic. I kind of assumed since the dragons were away and their magic was being used to bind the oblivion gates something similar is what they were afraid of. With your ability to gather their magic you might be able to semi-permanently bind them away again. I mean there is a reason why they were gone for the last X years and only came out when the line of the dragon slayers seemed to be gone, and I don't think it is because they were afraid of some guys being able to kill them in one on one combat.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:52 pm

You're the hero in Oblivion as well, you're not the one defeating Mehrunes Dagon... Proof enough for you that NPCs can kill the enemy?

I honestly hope, think, and believe that NPCs can kill dragons when they are enough people against one. If not, the dragons could just spread out, one on each city, and destroy everything...
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:51 pm


So, no, there are not only 20 dragons - No one, not even Todd Howard knows how many dragons there are, so it's very much undecided. (Though, as of now, there are infinite dragons, as they spawn like any other creature.)


Indeed, it seems that people automatically assumed that if there's 20 shouts in the game (It's actually said to be over 20, but no matter.) and you get dragons' souls from killing dragons which are then used to learn shouts, then there must therefore be 20 dragons in the game, however, that is not necessarily the case, as it's not yet decided how many dragons there will be.

What makes my iron sword better than the iron sword wielded by the guy next to me? It's been said that you aren't the only one to be able to use dragon shouts. You may be the only one they fear and they truly see as a legitimate threat, but that doesn't mean you're the only one who can kill them. After all, in that case in order for the dragons to destroy all of Skyrim they just need to attack all cities at once, you can't be EVERYWHERE at once you know.


That's just what I was thinking, in the trailer, we see the Dovahkiin's sword hurting the dragon just fine, in fact, that's what kills the dragon, the dragon shout used in the trailer doesn't actually seem to hurt it much, and before someone says "The dragon fight was scripted!" I say "So?" the sword still clearly hurts the dragon, and why would Bethesda show te dragon being hurt by a sword if it won't happen in-game? So if the Dovahkiin's sword works against dragon's, logically, everyone else's should too, unless your sword is the only sword that can hurt dragons for some reason, and since what makes the Dragonborn special is dragon shouts, not carrying a special sword, I see no reason why that should be the case.

Now, we've been told that you are the one the dragons fear, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're the only one who can kill a dragon, it just means your the only one who stands a chance of being able to actually stop them permanently, or at least for a long term, I'd imagine.

Rules of Drama. You're the Hero?, you're the center of the story, you're special. If just anyone could do it, you wouldn't be Super Awesome Special Guy, and.... that'd be boring?


Except that doesn't mean only the hero can ever be able to do things. Most stories usually have more than one character who does things, it might be the hero who does the most important things, but other people can do things too. I certainly don't expect to see someone else defeat Alduin for me, but that doesn't necessarily mean no one else can hurt dragons but me, after all, I wasn't the only one who could hurt Daedra in Oblivion, now, generally no one else would kill Sixth House monsters in Morrowind, but that's because the surrounding NPCs would just stand around and watch while an ash zombie tried to kill me in my sleep, if you summoned monsters or otherwise gained companions, they'd still be able to help you kill enemies.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:04 am

YOu shouldn t be the only one killing dragons, and your probably not. What happens is that your probably the only one that can go head to toe with some dragons due the shouts. Althought i imagine a powerfull mage really could take a dragon and ride it (not in the way you thinking as someone sayd)
Probably group of organized experienced people can take down a dragon, even if some will be barbecue at the end.

On a side note your not the only one Dovakhiin in the world so it would be interesting that you have some others trying to get to the finals prize and stand up with the 1 rst prize, but i doubt bethesda would be so bold.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:42 am

If they are infinite, I'd like to see other dragon slayers out there. If they are not, I'd rather be the only one killing them.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 4:43 pm

You're the hero in Oblivion as well, you're not the one defeating Mehrunes Dagon... Proof enough for you that NPCs can kill the enemy?

I honestly hope, think, and believe that NPCs can kill dragons when they are enough people against one. If not, the dragons could just spread out, one on each city, and destroy everything...

LOL, how is that remotely "proof"? That's wild baseless assumption, not validity. :rolleyes:
Oblivion Gates were closed by guards in Oblivion, near all cities. Being the CoC didn't mean that you and only you could close Gates. But being Dovakhiin means you have the power to kill Dragons. You are Dragonborn. That means something.
What would be the point of being Dovakhiin, Dragonborn, if everyone and their mother could kill a Dragon..? Where would the "hero" aspect come in?

Superman is Superman because he can fly and shoot lasers out of his eyes. If everyone else could too, he wouldn't be so "super" now would he?
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:18 am

I honestly hope that The dragon mechanic is like, "have at most 2 dragons in the world at a time, and check every like 4 game days to see if one was killed. If so, spawn new dragon". Then it would be infinite dragons but not so that you get hunted by 3 at once.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:43 am

LOL, how is that remotely "proof"? That's wild baseless assumption, not validity. :rolleyes:
Oblivion Gates were closed by guards in Oblivion, near all cities. Being the CoC didn't mean that you and only you could close Gates. But being Dovakhiin means you have the power to kill Dragons. You are Dragonborn. That means something.
What would be the point of being Dovakhiin, Dragonborn, if everyone and their mother could kill a Dragon..? Where would the "hero" aspect come in?

Super powers does not make one a hero. Not by a long shot. A hero is about doing what's right, and all that sappy jazz. I'd go so far as to bring up Disney's Hercules, and how he isn't a true hero till he's willing to go fight and possibly lay down his life even though he had lost his powers. I'd even like to see something like that happen to the Dragonborn.

The Dragonborn will be just as much a hero as the Champion of Cyrodiil was, even though one has powers and the other doesn't. Dragonborn means that we can use Thu-um more like the dragons use the power of voice rather than how the nords did. I highly doubt everyone and their mother can kill a dragon, but a master or expert mage would probably be able to go toe to toe with a dragon.

A group of npc's probably would get killed by a dragon, but a group of highly seasonsed aventurers would probably be able to take out at least one.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we run into one or two other people who can use thu-um. Sure they can't svck up dragon souls to gain stronger shouts, but they probably can still shout with enough umph to even the odds a little.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:48 am

I think even if we are the Big Damn Heroes of the story, the NPCs shouldn't be completely useless against the dragons.

It'd be strange it the Dragonborn was the only person in all of Skyrim that could do anything at all about the dragons, especially if they're respawning like normal enemies. I hate being forced to protect every NPC in the entire world because they're all townspeople or something and there aren't any powerful warriors, rogues, or mages in the entire world that can actually do anything. Like with the Mages Guild in Oblivion, Hannibal Traven is the archmage but you end up doing all the work and he's only useful in being a protective talisman against Mannimarco.

If the more powerful NPCs can't kill the dragons themselves, if thats something reserved for just the Dragonborn, at least give them the ability to drive the dragon away from town or force it to flee to its lair or something because if they have to just sit and die when the dragons wander up near town there won't be much left in Skyrim for you to save.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:29 pm

LOL, how is that remotely "proof"? That's wild baseless assumption, not validity. :rolleyes:
Oblivion Gates were closed by guards in Oblivion, near all cities. Being the CoC didn't mean that you and only you could close Gates. But being Dovakhiin means you have the power to kill Dragons. You are Dragonborn. That means something.
What would be the point of being Dovakhiin, Dragonborn, if everyone and their mother could kill a Dragon..? Where would the "hero" aspect come in?

Superman is Superman because he can fly and shoot lasers out of his eyes. If everyone else could too, he wouldn't be so "super" now would he?


No one is saying that every average joe should be able to slay a dragon. They are saying that it wouldn't make sense that your the only one/thing in the world that can do anything to one. A group of great fighters should be able to take a dragon down, as they could probably easily take your hero down. Your a "hero" because your taking down dragons singlehandedly.

I'm not expecting anyone, but the dragonborn to be taking down dragons on their own, but a single dragon against an entire city guard shouldn't be able to raze the city. If your swords/bow/magic is hurting a dragon, then it shouldn't be immune to anyone else's swords/bows/magic.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:20 am

LOL, how is that remotely "proof"? That's wild baseless assumption, not validity. :rolleyes:
Oblivion Gates were closed by guards in Oblivion, near all cities. Being the CoC didn't mean that you and only you could close Gates. But being Dovakhiin means you have the power to kill Dragons. You are Dragonborn. That means something.
What would be the point of being Dovakhiin, Dragonborn, if everyone and their mother could kill a Dragon..? Where would the "hero" aspect come in?

Superman is Superman because he can fly and shoot lasers out of his eyes. If everyone else could too, he wouldn't be so "super" now would he?


Being Dragonborn doesn't mean you're the only one(s) able to kill dragons, it means you're the only humanoid who can use dragon shouts.
That is what the dragonborn was known for, being able to use dragon shouts against dragons, not being the only ones able to kill a dragon. You should read some lore.

Superman is Superman because of that, Dragonborn is Dragonborn because they can use dragon shouts - besides, you can't compare one man to a group of people like that.

And I never said it was proof that NPCs could kill dragons, I said it was proof that NPCs can kill the enemy (I didn't mention in a specific game, but generally, as it was said that only the hero can ever defeat the enemy.)
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:15 am

It wasn't written anywhere that only the player can kill dragons, my guess is that everyone can kill them, but only you can absorb their soul, as you are the Dragonborn.
Besides that, things that support my theory: Dragons attack cities, even when you're not around, do you actually think that by the time you're there the dragon killed a whole city? I'm sure they are strong, not invincible to everyone else who's not a Dragonborn...
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:33 am

I think the only argument in favor of the player being the only one able to kill a dragon is wanting it badly. Could be, of course, the final decision is in the hands of developers. But there is no evidence suggesting that, unless you count the 'one they fear' words.If you think this is an evidence, try a google search with "the one they fear" or "the only one they fear".
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:42 pm

No one is saying that every average joe should be able to slay a dragon. They are saying that it wouldn't make sense that your the only one/thing in the world that can do anything to one. A group of great fighters should be able to take a dragon down, as they could probably easily take your hero down. Your a "hero" because your taking down dragons singlehandedly.

I'm not expecting anyone, but the dragonborn to be taking down dragons on their own, but a single dragon against an entire city guard shouldn't be able to raze the city. If your swords/bow/magic is hurting a dragon, then it shouldn't be immune to anyone else's swords/bows/magic.

You have no idea how strong Dragons are. It's been said by todd that the only reason that the main character can kill a dragon is BECAUSE he is Dragonborn. He is virtually immune to their fire, or he takes a lot less damage from it. That's the POINT of being a Dragonborn. I don't care how "seasoned' a group of adventurers are, flying dragon swoops down, sup lava breath, everybody's dead.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:09 am

On that note, only you should've been the only one able to kill daedra in oblivion.

Nope you werent anything specal there, but this time your DRAGONBORN
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:13 am

Your the only one who will have a somewhat equal playing field due to your advanced use of Thu'um(dragon shouts) not even the Greybeards can do.

I doubt its impossible for NPCs to kill dragons just very difficult.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:51 am

Because you're Dovahkiin, the only person in the world not restricted to an AI schedule, and with the almighty powers of Save and Reload.
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:34 am

I've heard fairly reliable statements that that will not, in fact, be the case.

no many people shut down oblivion gates in the lore. argonians and empire troops and other races shut down gats in their own respective province. according to the infernal city.
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Post » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:37 pm

What's the point in being Dragonborn if it doesn't seperate you from all the average schmucks?
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Post » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:12 am

Because you're Dovahkiin, the only person in the world not restricted to an AI schedule, and with the almighty powers of Save and Reload.

But what if a dragon interrupts the NPC's "AI schedule"? If the NPC is strong enough then the NPC should be able to kill a dragon.
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