But Umbra is already there, meaning they can spend less time making their engine have intelligent occlusion and more time making it awesomer in other aspects

I was pretty much certain of this alreadybecause ofthe dragons but still, it's definitely confirmed now!

No more jumping the Anvil Wall!!!

WOOO!!


Skyrim is going to be an AWESOME game.

It would still require Bethesda to tweak and make it work on Creation Engine. This would take the same time as developing a simple occlusion system like Umbra into their engine during it's making. Plus, Bethesda would have to pay for extra middleware support.

I don't know anything about coding, scripting, or creating an engine, system. But I don't think it would be hard for Bethesda's crew to develop this, at all.

Searching now, will probably have to go through all of the hub info but i'm positive i've read or heard this at some point in the last week. i'll find it and post back

See my above post about Umbra. And I'll take that medal (my frame rate is above 20, just about, it is a laptop after all). Not sure how the open option Better Cities works, but I'm fairly sure it's still in a separate worldspace. Will have to ask/look into it though. And no, they couldn't have done it without proper culling, it would have killed everything. The only reason I manage to get by is because of OSR and a bunch of other .ini edits . Opening the cities isn't that much extra stress though, because the only thing that isn't loaded in the closed cities is the stuff around you, which usually isn't high poly (trees and the like).

Makes turning into a Dragon and flying out of the city easier that's for sure!

Skyrim does sound more awesome each time some new info surfaces, I cant wait!

You don't have any clue how long it would take to do either of those things so quit talking out of your backside.

It's already confirmed that they have contracted middleware for this game.

It's probably more/a bit harder to write it into the engine than that, because otherwise Umbra would have gone bust, and other companies would not have used it. Not sure how hard it would be (though I imagine not too hard compared to what the rest of the engine does). All depends on the workload I suppose.





Thanks, would you mind PMing it because I'm going to sleep soon and will probably forget about this thread by tomorrow

Of course they are open cities...don't forget, dragons need to fly in and attack.

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You don't have any clue how long it would take to do either of those things so quit talking out of your backside.

There is only ten more months until release so I imagine the works pretty much done, at least I would think on the middleware and any other software they are using for the game.

Frankly I don't care if they've middleware or not, if it works nicely.

and...yay! open cities!

I think part of the reason for the open cities if 100% confirmed is really simple actually, in order to have the dragons act purely natural there would half to be no drop in frame rate and no closed cities. Imagine say walking up to a city hearing a ferocious roar as the dragon swoops in breathing fire down upon it as the guards fire arrows from the walls towards it, you race to the city as the doors swing open and before lays terror and devastation when you finally kill the beast radiant AI kicks in and the city is slowly but surely repaired.

Most desktops don't get 20FPS with Better Cities. I'm guessing we're really not talking about the same Better Cities (not the old one). Either that or you run at 800x600 with all the settings on Low, and this is not at all what I'm talking about in terms of stress. You'd have to at least be running at Xbox 360-equivalent settings (Medium-High) And, still, you won't be getting any medal, because it's absolutely impossible that VANILLA Oblivion runs the same for you as MODDED Oblivion does, especially Better Cities. And I'm not talking about one circumstance where your framerate is above 20. I'm talking about looking right at the center of the city from one of its edges, and comparing the two.

For me, vanilla cities could easily be capped at a constant 60FPS. Better Cities? Probably an average of 20FPS. I haven't installed it on this specific computer yet, but Better Cities gave me 20FPS on average in the IC Market, on a desktop with a GTX 280. On High-Very High settings. Bravil was just about as bad.

This is great news.

Maybe in a few years we can have interiors also in the world space.

Now I can jump over city walls with my 300 acrobatics!

Assuming acrobatics is still a skill.

Technically we already do have the technology for that as The Witcher II will have a seamless open ended world with no loading screens. It'll be the game I buy till Skyrim comes out.

Can't wait until the AI messes up and important NPC's or NPC's I like get killed by overpowered level scaled creatures.... :sadvaultboy:
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@Silvade Your common sense fails, no offense. If it's that easy to do (or at least as easy as adapting your code to run Umbra), then Umbra simply wouldn't exist; it wouldn't be a viable product and no-one would buy it. And SpeedTree was dropped because it didn't do what they wanted it to do. But Umbra would (I imagine) do everything that they wanted it to do.

"@The_Impaler22 Uh, why? It's been like that in every ES game we've made for the last decade +?"

Yeah, open cities aren't confirmed...

That'd be the next step, i think...

Maybe for TES VI: Summerset Isles

Oh, snap. Man this confuses things

Edit: PETE HINES!!! :brokencomputer:

Occlusion culling in Sims 3, or Ambient Occlusion? Because I think, but I'm not 100% sure, that one removes geometry and the other just calculates better fake lighting.