An open letter to Bethesda and Obsidian

Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:55 pm

32 hours and zero crashes. ZERO! I think I hold the world record.

edit - NVM :(
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:18 am

30+ hours on pc, 1 crash to desktop, no bugs, no glitches, framerates as expected for my old machine.

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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:26 pm

What bothers me is that Fallout 3 works very good on high.... but this... why this isn't? I mean I run it on medium, I get some random lags and let's not forget the main thing that I Get : Audio bug.... what's that? What's causing that.... why there's no FIX yet? I've seen many ask on Yahoo Answers etc how to fix it... ((For who doesn't know, : Audio is not synced with characters, footstepts, guns etc) It's like this guy talks (You see his mouth moving) you oughta' hit ESC key twice then you hear it but you may hear more sounds as you do that aka gun firing (From earlier) etc... fix it already.


ps : The fix for the audio thing is to ctrl alt delete and set the game on high priority, which makes me lag... like lots of laggs and struttering).

No matter what, if I set a game on high priority from ctrl alt delete tabs it will lag a lot. So that's why It's really laggy for me at least, they should fix this audio thing that many got it and then I won't have to force it on high priority aka it will stop lags.

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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:54 am

This game has such potential. When it is running properly, I love it. Yeah, maybe it is not quite as engaging as fo3 with the side quests, but all of the little things they added and enhanced to the gameplay are great. The QA was very poor. I know that fo3 had it's share of wierd bugs from time to time, but the constant graphical bugs, creatures half in the ground, vats freak outs, frame rate stutters, texture pops, and just plain old complete catastrophic system crashes are just making this game painful to play. I still love it for what it is underneath, or inspite of all of the bugs, but come on, did we really have to rush this out for christmas?! I appreciate the patch that was put out, but it really didn't seem to fix anything at all. Please fix this game that I spent good money on. Most of us spent well over 100$ on fo3 after all of the dlc, but you wont sell any dlc if you can't make this game playable. For those of you who have had few or no problems, well lucky you, but all of my friends on Live are confirming they are having similar issues.

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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:05 pm

I have 20 hours into the game on 360 and have had one freeze that forced to me to restart. I really dont think it as bad as people are making it out to be. I would like someone to point out one game in the last 5 years that didn't have problems upon launch that had to be fixed later on whether by patches or mods for the PC users. Remember the developers are humans, humans are the farthest thing from perfect as you can get. Look on the bright side, at least bethesda and obsidion actually have a concept of customer service unlike Infinity Ward.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:35 pm

I'm one of the luckier users who has had only a view nagging bugs and no crashes. There are some problems that need to be addressed and the only reason I'll become upset is when they stop support and those issues are still present.

I still don't understand the factions aspect. They love me 1 min and hate me the next...
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:04 am

I have been a fan of Bethesda's games since Morrowind. I have played so many other and sank so many hours of my life into them. However, after getting New Vegas, I am so disappointed with the company. I never sign up for forums, but I am so annoyed that I felt I should this time.

Between work and other household duties, I find it very hard to find the time for gaming. I bought the game on a day off (for the PS3) and sank my day into it. I loved it up until the point where I got my first freeze. I can deal with the stuttering or other minor graphical glitches, but it began freezing all the time. Then, I began to notice scripted events not happening when they were suppose to, items/characters stuck in walls, or under road pavement.....

I tried to shrug them off, hoping those were the only glitches. Then, I had issues with companions going missing or encountering the equipment issues (boone). I then had issues with loading screens being stuck or taking way to long (over two minutes to load the interior of a shack??). I can deal with minor issues with games as large as this, but when it is one after another that seem to be getting worse, it makes me not want to play anymore. It makes me angry that with the little free time I have, the time has been wasted. To top it off, you generally cant return games to the store in which you purchased it.

Now, I'm not going to go as far as say that everyone should be fired or that there should be a class action, but the companies responsible should really do something to save face and let the consumer know that they are cared for. They can try to patch the game, but at this point, there are many long awaited fall releases coming out, so they might loose their fan base permanently. They need to come out with a MAJOR patch soon. Very soon. If they cant patch the problems, at least give the consumer a way to return the game, or credit towards another title in the future. Posting messages saying that you are listening and that "we hear you" seems like a simple way to try to save face, but is generally futile of there is nothing behind the statement.

Unless something happens within the next week that makes me feel that the company is truly sorry and that all the issues have been fixed, I can honestly say I will never purchase a game from this company again, not matter how amazing it looks or the hype and advertising that surround it.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:30 am

I'm one of the luckier users who has had only a view nagging bugs and no crashes. There are some problems that need to be addressed and the only reason I'll become upset is when they stop support and those issues are still present.

I still don't understand the factions aspect. They love me 1 min and hate me the next...



Most games can be fixed/finished by modders...or even a lucky happenstance...just look at dx9.dll fix.

As for the faction issue it has to do with the faction armor trigger not turning off when removing said armor....so to the NCR you might look like a Legion , even though you removed that armor long ago...putting it back on and removing it again a couple times seems to enable scripting triggers. So it then will work normally.

But to the OT...

I am disappointed that there are serious performance issues, and buggy quests. The save game situation didn't help matters.

Other then performance and quest bugs, I have no problems with the game as is. For now.

There is no excuse for the way it left the studio....a broken quest here and there I can understand. But this...

You should be ashamed.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 2:32 pm

it is from an evolution standpoint a step backwards.

the engine is even more unstable and buggy.

the Mojave Wasteland is lackluster compared to the Capitol Wasteland.

the radio stations are lacking, FO3, had what 12 songs, a little radio drama, entertaining DJ commercial and news. FO:NV has what... 4 songs, a monotone DJ and no radio drama.

The textures as actually worse then in FO3

the main storyline is pretty boring even at it's climix.

the only good news is that the Mojave wasteland is more of a blank canvas for the modding community.


After the bland mediocrity of Obsidian's previous game, Alpha Protocol, I should have expected something plain from New Vegas as well. I must stop pre-ordering games. It provides no discipline or incentive to the publishing corporations. It gives them the opportunity to be lax about QA. They would rather cut down on the quality of the product than affect their moneygrubbing shareholders. That's why they want us to pre-order. And they give us meaningless trinkets in order to make us pre-order.
Business Model: Generate Sufficient Pre-Orders by Means of Silly Game Bonuses. Push Release Date. Take Care of Patches Later.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:50 am

I sort of agree. I havent encountered all the bugs you have but I cant help but compare this game to my all time favourite... Oblivion. There is no comparson and given that this game is new and oblivion is quite old I dont understand why the textures in this are so bad.
I started off defending this product. I am basically a huge Bethesda fan. But this product seems badly lacking in terms in terms of stability.

I use 2 machines but since release i have been playing FONV on:

Core i7 950
12 gb Low latency Gskill 1600
5970 x 5870 crossfire.
Watercooled blah blah blah.

Windows 7 64bit

Fallout NV is the STEAM copy (which always makes me suspicious as I get less reliability with Steam games in general for some reason.

I have noticed this game runs very smoothly and doesnt seem to be taxing the machine at all, but in terms of the overall stability but seems to degrade over a period of time. As if there is a memory leak or something like that. ( I dont write code for a living) I know other recent new releases have been having some issues with windows 7 memory management and do similar odd things. I wonder if this is more of the same.

Anyway right now the further I get into the game the more obvious the problems get. Finding quests that cant be completed even when you have supposedly completed them. The further I go in the more it seems to crash. No idea why. Personally I am going to leave it alone for a few weeks (or until there is a decent patch) So I dont ruin the game experience for myself by playing it right now. It is only crashing once an hour or so but even this is really annoying.

Looking forward to some modtastic fun when the game is mature. DO like the gameplay though they have turned the strip into a childrens playground rather than the sin city Las Vegas should be. (Can anyone say censors?)
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 3:41 pm

Ok, just found a bug; when I mod the Weathered 10mm Pistol with a laser site my character, and vision, gets obscured by a big white square with a red ! at the center, and I'm not able to remove the mod. Don't know if the extended magazine will net the same result as I've not found it yet.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:44 am

I think it's amazing how people on this forum, who are experiencing problems, automatically start bad mouthing the companies who created it. I seem to recall FO3 being bad mouthed the same way, by the childish users of this forum.
Seriously, I had the game for PS3 the day after launch, and my file is about 20 hours in. I have crashed once, and seen some other minor bugs, but nothing to make me hate Bethesda/Obsidian.

I love Bethesda games, plain and simple. If you didn't expect a few bugs, then you obviously never played a Bethesda game. Seriously, get a life, and stop talkiong crap. Like one of the mods said, there is no excuse for rudeness. And Bethesda/Obsidian owe you nothing. They will fix it in time, but they are doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. Because they care about us fan-boys.

If it's that bad for you, stop playing, or wait for the fixes. But like I said, from my personal experience, this is a great game.

Thank you Bethesda/Obsidian, for making yet another amazing game for me to pour hours of my life into. Good job, and keep it up!


Actually, Bethesda does owe us something...a workable game.

I'm one of the people who are experiencing what I suspect are more than the usual bugs, and they are bugs that only appeared for me on F3 after the Broken Steel DLC and patch, so those have not been fixed in the engine of the two games.

What is more irritating, and more frustrating, is the number of people who experience no or a limited number of problems blatantly criticising those of us who do. Perhaps a situation as occurred in Creative Assembly's Empire:Total War might be helpful...the major bug fix for that game virtually reversed the bug problem, and people who before were crippled with them were suddenly bug free, and the apologists were struck down. And surprisingly, those same people were extreme critics and whiners after they got hit with the glitches.

The point is, there will be bugs, to a greater or lesser extent. Those of us with them are entitled to have our say, firstly to get the things noted and fixed, secondly to discuss workarounds or bandaid solutions, and thirdly because we are consumers who do have rights. Those who unnecessarilly criticise us have no right to do so other than they have the 'right' to speak on this forum...mods and admins have the right and in fact the duty to keep it civil and not let things get out of hand.

Just my further say....
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:19 am

It's because there were far more possible scenarios in this game than could be adequately playtested... however, there are still far more bugs than should be acceptable. For example, an upgraded ED-E just hangs in air. I can no longer use that companion at all and must stick with Rex....
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:43 am

Frankly, I find this is pretty standard fare for a videogame forum right after it's release - at least any of the ones that I've followed over the years. As far as the number of bug reports, angry customers venting, etc - it's just about in-line with any other game I've followed the release of.

Perhaps there is a problem with the industry overall, but when a game comes out, there will be bugs. There will be those who can't play it, at all. They will come to the game forum to seek answers and to vent (and what better venue to do so than a place like this?) There's just so many factors, these days, I find it's always kind of a crapshoot whether you'll be able to play a game on release or not. (There was a time when I'd sworn off PC gaming for this reason - until it started happening just as often with my console games...)

For example - I can get a AAA title to run without a hitch on my rig, when others seem to be having troubles. And then when I get something else that "should" be a snap (Puzzle Quest Galactrix being one specific game in recent memory that I wasn't able to play - because of my very specific AMD Chipset, it turned out - for nigh on 6 months after buying it on release day...)

The fact is, people with real bonafide problems are going to be more likely to come around here, at this point. Most of the people not having any issues are busy playing the game. We'll starting hearing more from them as they get far enough into the game to form opinions and such.


dude you are the most awesome mod i have ever seen
but then again im usuly dealing with mmo's lol :P most other game forums i tend to ignore

but it has bean my experience that a games forum mod tends to try to shut down those with complaints of issues weather they be legitimate or not
and hear you are actually defending the people such as my self and others who come on with some concerns
that definitely earns some points for good service and friendly and understanding forum staff :D
so just wanted to toss a complement in your direction for being an awesome mod :D
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:36 pm

Not that anyone at either company will see this, but....

I wanted to thank both companies for putting out an utterly unplayable game. I played FO3 for over 400 hours and it is by far my favorite game ever. I have been anticipating NV since it was announced. I picked up my pre-ordered collector's edition at the midnight release. I arranged my work schedule so I'd have a couple of days to play, but....

Well, we all know what happened then. Yes, I've been able to get about 20 hours of frustrating, freezing, glitching, bugged-out, special-ed framerated gameplay. And now I'm stuck until the game is fixed. The new 360 patch...well, if it fixed anything it must have been something very minor. Cuz I still can't play my game. A lot of people still can't play their games. Or have already given up.

From what I've been able to see, this is going to be an amazing game, but only if you get it fixed NOW! In just a few weeks, you're going to lose faithful FO fans to Fable, COD Black Ops, and other anticipated releases because this game is unplayable in it's current state for many players. I'm thinking a month minimum to fix anything of any real importance. By then, I will be playing other games. Maybe even playing FO3 again to get my wasteland fix. Plus I get perks every level in FO3 and the music was better.

I fail to understand how the game ever made it to the shelves in this state. Was it not tested? Or worse, was it shipped with knowledge that the game was poorly QA'd and filled with bugs and glitches? Everyone mid-level management and up should be fired immediately. Anyone in QA should be fired immediately. Allow the programmers and devs remain long enough to fix this POS and then fire them for creating such a poor product to begin with. This was the slam dunk GOTY for 2010 until it was ruined by YOU!

Or maybe just dissolve both companies. After this launch both of your reputations are going to be so bad you will most likely never have another hit game.

In the absence of being able to play my game, how about I get a refund. Or a partial refund. Or some free Microsoft points. Or something. Anything to say you're sorry for knowingly shipping such a broken game. I know this won't happen because you already have our $$. Maybe a class action suit by consumers would do the trick. Any other company that knowingly puts out a defective product is liable, why not a video game company. Repaying that $60-$90 to every consumer who purchased FO:NV might get your attention.

Until then, thanks again for ruining what should have been GOTY, and for once again demonstrating that game developers have no qualms about releasing a piss poor product on a faithful following.



I agree in some ways and maybe not in others. But one thing we are on the same page with is the game is unplayable IMO. Way to many quests breaks or other problems. Some of the graphics glitches dont bother me except the constant hic up as you are walking like the system cant keep up with the framerate...LOL
So I am going to wait till later to play either after they patch it or get the PC version and get the unofficial player modded patches, which usually turn out to be better then the official ones anyway. This goes all the way back to when we patched Morrowind ourselves alot.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:38 pm

The only problems I have on PS3 is 3 crashes, some objects floating up and down from the ground, all companions in the Lucky 38 disappearing for 3 ingame days, and my fingers suddenly twisting and bending off of their joints, being otherwise permanent if I didn't have an earlier save. And I'm level 23. But I guess this time the 360 version is more buggy then the PS3. :shrug:
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:05 pm

I pretty much agree with "DISCIPLE". I am just cheesed off now with scanning these forums in the hope of some news on a decent update being released to fix the major issues, like CTD after the intro, like on my machine. I am happy for all those out there who are able to play the game to some degree, I really am. I just wish some of the guys who can run it, would not deride so much those that can't and making out that the majority of gamers are able to play this ok, may be an under estimation that might well bite back. I do really hope the developers get a decent patch out soon. While some are noting glitches and bugs on their play through, there are a lot of us and a fast rising count by the hour, that can not even play the game. I don't really consider the purchase a "Game" , if it is not one. It is just a faulty data disc that is pretty worthless at the moment. I am quite entitled to my money back in law. that is not a debatable point or anything that can be ethically argued, However, I have great hope for this game and will hang onto it for a while and see if it is made workable. I have a good rig, but am no programmer. I would be unsure about trying to program in some of the many fixes suggested (thankyou all on behalf of the community). I don't see why I should be expected to do this. Sure I could try, but how far do I go down that road. I actually paid my money for someone else to have sorted all this out already.... So, I am like the majority of non tecchie/modder buyers who won't be reprogramming our machines but we still expect it to work. Is that so abnormal? I am not used to reading or posting on forums or the gaming community or modding etc, so I was not pre aware of the possible issues coming up with this game. I certainly wasn't made aware of any by the advertising connected to the game. Was that an oversight by the company then? I have the retail game here in front of me. I pre ordered it. It arrived the day before. I sorted out loading it from the disc and not steam(after a while) on the release day and low and behold the only thing I can do with the game now, is look at the pretty pictures on the box, because it is definitely unplayable for me - and many others... Not everyone obviously... I am fed up of looking round trying to get info on any up coming patch releases. I am going to stop wasting my time looking at these forums and thinking about playing the game. My time is too valuable to waste any more on this! I will try to update and run the game in a few weeks. I think that is very reasonable and patient of me. If it does not run then, I will be demanding a refund and this will be backed by commercial law here in the uk. That would be a sad outcome and I do not wish for it but I am not paying for something I have not satisfactorily received. It is a contract between two parties with a traceable transaction. Lets hope it gets sorted then or a message from the developers about wether they are aware of the major CTD issue and if it is being worked on, because that really is a biggie! Best wishes to all gamers out there and lets not Fallout over New Vegas. Thats me Falling Out for now.... :flamethrower::brokencomputer:
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:16 pm

Jesus, people whine about this game so much.

You're playing the game on a system that is using 6 year old hardware, did you expect it to not be buggy for being such a massive game?

Playing it on the PC, I have yet to see any bugs any more serious than the ones I've seen in fallout 3. Sure, it does crash occasionally, but do I throw a [censored] fit and write a thread on a forum about it? No.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:51 pm

Thats because you can actually play the darn thing.... Enjoy.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:09 pm

Right now I'm thinking class action law suit.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 12:08 pm

I have been a fan of Bethesda's games since Morrowind. I have played so many other and sank so many hours of my life into them. However, after getting New Vegas, I am so disappointed with the company. I never sign up for forums, but I am so annoyed that I felt I should this time.

Between work and other household duties, I find it very hard to find the time for gaming. I bought the game on a day off (for the PS3) and sank my day into it. I loved it up until the point where I got my first freeze. I can deal with the stuttering or other minor graphical glitches, but it began freezing all the time. Then, I began to notice scripted events not happening when they were suppose to, items/characters stuck in walls, or under road pavement.....

I tried to shrug them off, hoping those were the only glitches. Then, I had issues with companions going missing or encountering the equipment issues (boone). I then had issues with loading screens being stuck or taking way to long (over two minutes to load the interior of a shack??). I can deal with minor issues with games as large as this, but when it is one after another that seem to be getting worse, it makes me not want to play anymore. It makes me angry that with the little free time I have, the time has been wasted. To top it off, you generally cant return games to the store in which you purchased it.

Now, I'm not going to go as far as say that everyone should be fired or that there should be a class action, but the companies responsible should really do something to save face and let the consumer know that they are cared for. They can try to patch the game, but at this point, there are many long awaited fall releases coming out, so they might loose their fan base permanently. They need to come out with a MAJOR patch soon. Very soon. If they cant patch the problems, at least give the consumer a way to return the game, or credit towards another title in the future. Posting messages saying that you are listening and that "we hear you" seems like a simple way to try to save face, but is generally futile of there is nothing behind the statement.

Unless something happens within the next week that makes me feel that the company is truly sorry and that all the issues have been fixed, I can honestly say I will never purchase a game from this company again, not matter how amazing it looks or the hype and advertising that surround it.

it was Obsidian's fault, not Bethesda's.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:26 pm

Oh wow. Just ONE freeze and its the worst game ever??!?!? I have played for about 25 Hrs and I have had like what, One minor freeze? Sure, the game blacked out on me like 3 times but it was minor.

And we console players are not cheepo babies. Not all of us have 5000 Dollars on our hands to upgrade our computers.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:24 am

Has there ever been a major PC game that never needed to be patched? That was bug-free from Day One? If there is, I've yet to see it. Maybe that's why Duke Nukem Forever is taking so long, they wanna strive for a bug-free release. :rolleyes:


That a piece of software releases with bugs is not an issue for me, that a piece of software releases with so many show stoppers is. I know seven people that bought this game, 6 PC and 1 XBox and not one of us can play this game for more than 30 minutes without a crash or freeze of some sort. The XBox having the best of it. I'm probably the worst with a CTD or crap out to a solid white screen every 2 to 10 minutes, although I did have a run of around 2 hours on the first day but nothing like that since. That's simply unacceptable and should have easily been spotted if the game was tested properly because I have a very stock system with no extra bells or whistles.

Edit: All the PCs are a mix of AMD, Intel, ATI and nVidia yet they are all having very similar issues.
My system is -
Intel i7-950
6GMB DDR3 1600MHz RAM
nVidia GTX 285
Win 7 Home Premium x64

So it should handle FO:NV easily.
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Post » Mon Oct 04, 2010 4:41 pm

And we console players are not cheepo babies. Not all of us have 5000 Dollars on our hands to upgrade our computers.


I'm tired of hearing that. My computer can play most present day games at their highest settings and all together it cost me about $800.
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Post » Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:00 am

I'm tired of hearing that. My computer can play most present day games at their highest settings and all together it cost me about $800.


I apologize, I actually have to pay for stuff you know. I would rather pay 200 Dollars for a nice ps3 that can handle all the games with no stress or upgrades every two damn years.
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