H2-22 also mentions getting orders on what to clean from scientists.

Though in the grand scheme of things I don't think this line of thought goes anywhere. Gen 3s were developed for infiltration but if they have improved aesthetics and processing there is no reason not to use them in place of Gen 1&2s for general labor as well.

Huh. I stand corrected then. Haven't done any RR quests so I haven't seen that before.

Expect of course that BOS doesn't seem to be doing that after they defeat the Institute......maybe by choice, maybe simply because they lack the means to easily identify the Gen-3 already in the population. But so far at least no sign that the Brotherhood is actively hunting Gen-3 Synths.

Considering the extreme synth hated the Commonwealth has and the fact that Hancock says lots of people supported getting rid of their ghoul neighbors in diamond city, I'd say that the people would support killing those people if they were discovered to be synths.

Yeah they were doing gardening and building work, makes sense really since they are churning out Gen-3 faster then they can use them.

That's also true. But we do see that The Brotherhood will if given the chance to learn a person is a Synth.

I'm saying though, I wouldn't chalk up The Commonwealth's hatred of Synths to be a point of proof for Brotherhood support. Because, personally, I doubt that if they actually understood what "kill all the Synths" meant, that they would support it. The RR is just utterly [censored] at its job when it comes to promoting Synth-Love of whatever. They have a terrible marketing department.

Because, as Helljumper correctly point out, they don't have normal interaction with the non-hostile ones.

Of course, they actually do. All the time. They just don't realize it. If they discovered how many of their possible friends/companions/lovers/coworkers are RR freed Synths, I highly doubt they'd grab the pitchforks and start killing them personally.

All Mcdonaugh had to do to get elected was by anti-ghoul and the human settlers of Diamond City were totally gung-ho about getting rid of their ghoul neighbors. Do you really think people wouldn't kill any discovered synths?

Yeah, my point isn't that the people are right to hate Gen-3 Synths, just that its understandable and frankly inevitable, the Institute (and to a lesser extent the Railroad when 'their' Synths are discovered) have created a belief that anybody and everybody could be a Gen-3 Synth and those closest to you are the greatest threat.......people will turn on each other for a lot less.

So yeah if you want that belief to change then you have to do something that changes it, expect the Brotherhood or the vast majority of the population (including Railroad Synths who don't know that they aren't human) to suddenly decide to become pro-Synth to match your views is frankly more than a little daft, and would be terrible writing unless there is a reason shown for such a major swing in public opinion when the entire game is focused in the opposite direction.

I noticed the Brotherhood flags flying over Diamond City (before the Mayor is unmasked) and it seems to be a peaceful take over......just a scribe and knight on a trading run, Diamond City Security still running the place and I could take a step without being told what a good job I'd done and how glad they were that the Institute was gone.

I'd expected an unmasking of the Gen-3 in the population but nobody seems to care anymore except for Piper and the mayor.......was Piper supposed to kill the secretary, I thought she was non-hostile but Piper kills her ever time.

There's a reason that McDonough is very keen to book it out of town asap after the Institute is destroyed.

I'm also not talking about ghouls. They're a completely different situation, people all over the wasteland hate ghouls for various reasons. And you can't get to know or love a ghoul without knowing what he or she actually is.

And no, I really don't think so personally. The first few? Sure. They might watch with glee as people they don't know are killed as Synths. But there's undoubtedly a ton of RR freed Synths out there. They've been doing this for how many years after all?

What happens when suddenly its not just the random guy you don't know who's a Synth, but your friend? Your best-friends girlfriend/boyfriend? YOUR girlfriend/boyfriend? Your friendly neighbor who always helps you out with harvesting the tato crops? The sassy girl always singing down in The Third Rail everynight? etc.

Suddenly "kill all the Synths" doesn't seem so fun anymore.

McDonough is being hated when everyone learns he's a synth. They had no problem with his anti-ghoul stuff.

Great argument if Maxson didn't say that robots with free will are an affront to humanity and present an immediate threat to humanity and need to be eradicated which is the whole motivator behind his invasion of the Commonwealth.


It's in his first speech on the Prydwen.


If either the BoS or the Railroad thought Gen3 synths were just like other robots with no free will, they wouldn't be involved in the fight.

I dub thee Stretch Armstrong the Long for the amount of reach in this post. You deserve awards for this. Burnt books in a post-apocalyptic game are because a faction I don't agree with inconspicuously burn them

I think you missed the reference.

He wants out of town because he knows he's a dead man due to being a synth. He knows they had no problems evicting ghouls, so they'll hang his corpse from the wall.

You recall how they found out that Danse was a Synth? They have the DNA records of the Institute Synth from the data they got. It shouldn't be long before they can start actually hunting them down. It shouldn't be long before they walk into the Third Rail, gun down Magnola, state that she's a Synth, prove it from her remains, and leave. Goodneighbor will probably have a hard time with that since they themselves gun down Synths.

Hating a machine, not a person, not a living thing even. I recall one Institute quest where you have to check on some farmer who was replaced by a Synth and bring him some seeds. The whole quest seemed dirty to me because the whole time I'm wondering where is the real farmer? The husband and father? Is he dead? Should I tell the family? Do I protect this machine pretending to be the person they love? The scientist giving the quest made no mention of it and only cared about getting the seeds planted. Does the scientist even wonder or care what happened to the real farmer? Just left a real bad taste in my mouth.

How does that counter my argument that the population never knowingly meets a non hostile Gen-3?

Maxson, the Brotherhood and the vast majority of the population are reacting to what seems to be robots disguising themselves as humans to kidnap, murder and infiltrate so yeah, robots with free will that are murdering and kidnapping and infiltrating human society are an Immediate threat to Humanity.

If Gen-3 Synth weren't active in the CW (which we know they were) and actively terrorising the Commonwealth its highly unlikely that Maxson would be there, so no its the Institute (and a little bit of the Railroad shipping their Syths to CW) that have drawn the Brotherhood into the fight. Even without free will a report of a robot army would have probably also drawn the Brotherhood eye.

Never said they were Nazis. My underlining meaning was pointing to a military group left unchecked can turn into a military dictatorship, making decisions for people without their input. Removing and securing what they believe is dangerous technology is just the first set. Will it lead to deciding what is appropriate reading material (my use of the burnt book anology) or where we can and can’t go by placing check points to check our papers? Just pointing out my concerns with the direction the BOS could go. Yes, elected governments have their problems too, but do you just give up and turn all your rights over to a military group in the name of security?

Yeah I was wondering about that, Danse 's DNA is of course on record I doubt its a wide spread practice amongst the population at large though........the Brotherhood starting a DNA database should probably be a signal for those aware that they are Synths to leave for greener pastures.

Except there is no civilian government so you actually have no rights that you cannot establish with your pipe pistol.

So trading crops with the Military group that more than happy to encourage trade and will kill everything that would try to kill me on regular basis is preferable to nothing at all.

It’s always nice to see someone take the literal and not the implied. I said in the post I was reaching. So thanks for pointing out what I already knew.

I especially like the part where they go out of their way to neatly return each burnt book to its original spot after torching them on a giant bonfire.


And yes, I know the poster who said this was reaching by self admittance, but it's still a ludicrous thought.

Yes, we have anarchy now but for how long? ‘We come as friends. Help us out with some of your food and we will help protect you. Now that we’re friends and you rely on our protection, we feel that the little piece of technology you have isn’t really something you should have. We will take it off your hands so you don’t hurt yourself.’ ‘But it’s just a pipe pistol.’ ‘Yes, but we’re here to protect you now so you don’t really need it.’ It’s just one big slippery slope.

For what? Using an anology of burnt books as an example of how far some will go to protect us from things they deem too dangerous for us to have.

Synths seem to have no 'souls' upon dying...those who have played through Glory's death scene in a RR playthrough will find evidence of that.

Back to the topic though, I formed the view fairly early on that the BoS are pretty much the CW's SS, simply with different ideology...the Enclave anology isn't far off the mark, just they have different branding and a smoother, more palatable message. I have no doubts that if a settlement accepted, harboured and protected synths as part of the community, the BoS would wipe the place out, as it would the Institute and Railroad.

The Brotherhood has zero interest in pipe pistols, if your carrying a energy weapon then yeah its probably going to be confiscated for your own safety of course, but trying to disarm the settlers makes no sense since then you have to garrison all the farms to protect your food supply.

Its really not an issue since the Brotherhood essentially seems to leave the locals alone for the most part and there is nothing in game to suggest that has changed, they are willing to let the player to use extreme measures to ensure supplies, a disarmed population would be wiped out by the wildlife never mind other threats......so no supplies.

Remember they are not trying to take away your rights, because you have no rights beyond what you force the hostile world to give you, they aren't crushing democracy, because there is no democracy beyond local level and there is literally no one else trying to rid the Commonwealth of all those threats to your existence.