I fail to see how that counters anything I've said.

I hope you never use the Fat Man, or nuke mine, otherwise you are a hypocrite.

Because the Brotherhood controls those bombs and they think they control Liberty Prime. The Brotherhood has no problem with world ending technology that they believe they can control because they feel they can be trusted to manage it. The only reason Maxson wants to level the Institute and eradicate synths is because he believes they have free will. The Brotherhood wouldn't be nearly so concerned if the Institute was attempting to manufacture sentry bots or securitrons. They wouldn't like it, because of the whole technology angle, but it certainly wouldn't be the same level of response.


It's a very hypocritical stance and they honestly don't care if others think it. Their belief system is that they are inherently superior to all non-members and that all non-members are a potential threat due to ignorance at the very least.

I, personally, don't really care, and don't actually think that humanity is liable to destroy the world a second time, which is one reason I disagree with the Brotherhood. The other main one is their insistence that they're worthy shepherds of technology; an organization that sees itself as inherently morally superior to the rest of the world will rarely go anywhere good.

So let me see if I follow you. You blame the Great War that ended the world on human nature, not technology. You then turn around and deny that exact same human nature? Did human nature, that had been the same for thousands of years, suddenly change over the last 200 years?

Because human nature now has to live with the consequences of blowing up the world. It's a lesson that I believe most will learn.

You must not pay much attention to history. After WW1 with its millions of deaths and millions more crippled and scarred for life, people thought it would never happen again. It took less than 30 years for the exact same people to do it all over again. They remembered what the first war was like and they still did it again.


It's been 200 since the world was destroyed. No one left alive, aside from a few ghouls, understands what the world was like before the war. They understand the old world even less than we understand the world before WW1. All they know is the world they live in. If they are put in the same situation, with economic and diplomatic failures, if they have the same tools available, there is no reason, based on history, to think they wouldn't push that button just as quickly.

I have four words for this post

vomit vomit vomit vomit.

Not surprising something from gamefaqs is steeped in bullcrap and lies. The person who wrote this clearly had no idea what they were talking about. Elder Lyons didn't do a damn thing better, he broke his faction in two, fought a disastrous war with super mutants for 20 years with almost no recruitment from local sources (Reddin was a rarity, not a standard)and only even managed to do a thing entirely because of the Lone Wanderer.

Maxson repaired the schism, set up a system that made it easier to recruit people and even did mass recruitment of local sources, managed to do more against the Super Mutants in a year then Lyons did in 20 years and generally is the much better leader.

Also "the brotherhood is weak af" I'm sorry what? The Brotherhood is portrayed as the most military competent faction, they are literally the strongest faction in the game. At high levels a BoS knight patrol can take down TWO deathclaws on their own, I watched that happen literally last night. Also "the BoS are nazis!" No, no they aren't. They're Nazis because they have a mentality LITTERALLY everyone in the series has that hostile forces should be eradicated? There is no reasoning with ferals (Yes they do in fact leave non-ferals alone, there is not a single instance where they attack non-hostile non-ferals), there is no reasoning with super mutants and there is no reasoning with raiders and synths

This person clearly doesn't know a damn thing about what they're talking about and instead focuses on lies and misinformation.

Another thing that needs to be cleared up, The Brotherhood does not protect Non-BoS members because 'It's the right thing to do.' They want the Wastelanders to farm food to support their army and provide children for them to take in and indoctrinate.


They don't trust Non-BoS and the humanitarianism died with Lyons regime. They do what benefits them and have no problem abandoning or destroying anything that gets in their way. That shift in ideology is what brought the East Coast back into line with the West Coast and brought the Outcasts back.


Wiping out ferals and mutants isn't for the benefit of the Commonwealth, it's so they can search for technology and wipe out abominations. Protecting trade caravans isn't because they like the traders, it's because they get the discount.

And where is your evidence for those claims?

BoS pay for everything. They pay for supplies, you're using the SS's choice to strong arm supplies as a standard for the BoS when they in fact actually buy everything. Wiping out ferals, super mutants and raiders is for the benefit of the commonwealth, Maxson straight up tells you this as does numerous other BoS members, even Maxson's terminal entries shows this. Also "indoctrinate" do you know the BoS recruitment method? It's a sponsorship program, not a drafting program, the game tells us this NUMEROUS times. Even if someone wants to get into the BoS they need to know someone and prove their strength and value to the group.

The BoS do trust non-BoS, they actively talk and do things for the Commonwealth, supply runs are constantly made to Diamond City after you beat the main quest for the BoS and they talk about how they actually like the city. There is still a humanitarism element in the BoS, hell they probably do a better job then Lyons's dumb ass did. Maxson's BoS has yet to abandon anyone or any settlement, actually learn what you're talking about.

Portecting trade caravans is because they like traders hence why they aren't just saying "Now that we helped you give us everything we want" instead they just ask for a discount and pay for all their supplies. Hell, they don't even ask for discounts in Diamond city and the people will tell you the BoS is good for trade and business.

I think I'll also drop a mention of the Children of Atom. Try listening to their doctrine some time. These people quite literally, with a religious fervor, want a second apocalypse. There's little doubt in my mind that they'd do everything they could to make it happen if given the chance (there's a plot for a DLC). Of course, given their strange mutation that seems to make them immune to the affects of radiation, they'd probably survive it.

Mitheledh your comments are merely opinions and not base from the game. Until Bethesda say it is cannon instead of the fan sites information then it is merely a opinion. We do not know what going on in the wasteland, or how the pass elders died or how Sarah Lyon dead. All the information about BOS is merely opinion. Danse may not like to kill sane ghouls, but if he or the other BOS are order to shoot. What do think they response going to be. All the "Glourius and Experience" leader information comes from the Head Scribe who sounds like a propagandist then a scholar. You can have your opinion but I have mine opinion. If you think it is canon then that your opinion.

"Just ignore the numerous times throughout the BoS main quest that allows you to question Maxson and Kells and ignore other members questioning Maxson."

Seriously, just stop. Everyone can see you know literally nothing about what you're talking about, the BoS is not an organization where you can't question your orders or leadership without being punished, the SS and numerous other BoS members question the BoS's leadership without getting punished.

Your "opinion" is literally factually incorrect and built off of misinformation and clear bias-ism, what makes it worse. You don't present it as an opinion, you present it as a fact.

If you don't like the BoS that's fine but don't spread misinformation as fact and then when called out by NUMEROUS members that you're wrong say "but I'm not saying it's a fact" but yes, yes you are. We all see exactly what you're doing and no one is buying that load of crap.

No, wrong, wrong, wrong. We know a great deal about the Brotherhood because many of these facts are presented to us in the game. They are canon. Those facts presented in the game contradict the claims of that opinion. Myself and others have presented those facts to you as they are presented in the game. You can't continue to plug your ears, going "LA, LA, LA" all you want, ignoring the facts before you, but that opinion is still wrong.


You know, I'm really curious. If you can't handle people disagreeing with your opinion, why did you post it on a forum? More importantly, why did you post one that you knew contained inflammatory language? Maybe instead of whining about people forcing their opinion on you, you should try supporting your opinion with evidence. That is something you have yet to do in this thread.

Then prove that your opinion is canon because you have not once done so. Until then please respect other people opinion.

Wiki pages and fan sites don't make it canon.

if wiki pages don't count, what does?

Because you're trying to push your opinion as fact, you use misinformation, you linked a post that was on one of the worst gaming communities on the internet that was filled with inflammatory remarks and misinformation and again, you try to push all of this as fact while saying "Nuh uh you're wrong" to anyone who proves you wrong which is a majority of every thread you've used these awful "opinions" in.

The BoS are more heroes then the Railroad, the BoS are more heroes then the Institute and the BoS have more strength then the Minutemen. They're protecting caravans, they're bringing trade, they're helping people and most of the tech they take is in long abandoned facilities or areas inhabited by raiders, super mutants, ferals or gunners. They aren't going through each settlement taking whatever they want, they aren't forcing caravans and merchants to give up energy weapons or power armor pieces all they're doing is combing through ruins where no one but raiders, ferals, super mutants and gunners call home.

We see NUMEROUS times people questioning the BoS or their goals without being punished whereas you push your "opinion as fact" statement that they can't. You take generic NPCs as "drones" but guess what, the Institute is the same with it's generic npcs, so is the minutemen, so is the railroad.

There's no point. You won't listen to anything I or anyone else says to you. Your like an ostrich with its head in the sand, pretending that it doesn't exist because it contradicts the opinion you want to have.


There is no point in trying to convince someone that is willing to declare the game itself as non-canon just because it does not support the opinion they want.

Yeah that is actually totally untrue, there are zero cases of the Brotherhood killing ghouls (because they are ghouls) in any of the games and in any of the lore. The Brotherhood has no love for the ghouls seeing them as creations of the tech used to destroy the world but has not at any time murdered them, rounded them up or mistreated them.

I think it's people taking that ghoul outside of Underworld in Fallout 3 more seriously then they should when she says "BoS take pot shots at us occasionally"

like, you're in the middle of a warzone occupied by three opposing groups. Of course stray bullets and fire will come your way, it means literally nothing. It's not a street hockey game where if they see something on the horizon they'll shout "CAR" and get out of the way.

They are apparently the ruling faction in the Capitol Wasteland and recruits heavily from wastelanders, its basic common sense that they protect that resource since dead settlers cannot farm and cannot be recruited into their ranks. It basic feudalism if you don't protect the farms then you don't get any food.

I'd say it was more that they abandoned the failing Lyons policy of giving resources away for little to no gain and given that Maxson continues to recruit Wastelanders and is committed to fighting Super Mutants, Raiders etc, it would seem that the EC Brotherhood continues to differ with the West Coast in many ways.

Nonsense, killing ferals , raiders and Super Mutants is to everyone's benefit and removing them is now apparently their standard operating procedure since unlike the West Coast gathering tech is not their prime mission.

Protecting the Caravans allows free trade which benefits the Brotherhood, why else would they risk their lives?

It is the only actual case of possible persecution that can be pointed at and really its very weak as by her own admission they never hit anything (which throws doubts about whether these were actual shots or stray bullets).......I always took it as a throw away line since had the Brotherhood (and this was the most 'good' BOS faction ever) been interested in harming the Ghouls it would have been remarkably easy target. They were protected largely by the fact that they were in the middle of a warzone (so raiders didn't bother them) and nobody else was interested in harming them anyway so really they were dependent on the Brotherhood and Super Mutants keeping actual threats away from them.

As to the quoted crap posted by the OP, since it makes a false claim right out of the gate and the rest is drivel I'd just regard that as the usual BOS bashing while avoiding anything remotely like the reality of the lore in the games.

Actually the only 'people' who can claim persecution are the non reprogrammed Synths (who haven't in reality ever been established to be sapient or sentient) that are executed on the orders of BOS by the player and of course those poor scientists and their families who didn't cause the whole situation at all with their kidnappings, murders, replacements of humans with Synths, human experimentation etc.

Interesting thread. The OP is complete (well let's be nice and call it a bad opinion) but reading the counter arguments quite enlightening and only confirms how I already believed about the BoS in FO4. Well done.