Honestly that's what those "cults" Proctor Quinlan mentions in his biography of Maxson might be, groups raising up to follow Maxson's example. Would make a lot of sense since it's not only working for Maxson but Maxson's members absolutely love the way the ECBoS is being run, just complaints on how they treat non-humans is the only thing I've seen.

Kind of off topic, but when do mods come out for XBOX? I want one to make Synth!Shaun a Squire companion.

I wonder how many people who went with a BOS ending also took the Shaun Synth......I did since while my female Character felt drawn to the structure of the Brotherhood after the end of the world, she was also friendly with several Synth (unknowningly in Danse's case) and robots. Seeing Shaun begging to be go with her led to snap decision to take him and now she feels herself developing feeling for 'him' but also knows long term it will force her to choose between the Brotherhood or Shaun since his lack of ageing will be noticed.

I figure that will give me reason why she is totally left out of Fallout 5, like the Lone Wanderer was out of Fallout 4.

I did a BOS ending and I took the Shaun synth but I didn't "take" him as in take him home with me. I believe my exact line was something like "I don't have time for this. If you are coming with me, you'd better come on." I saw no reason he had to be blown up but I also wasn't going to take responsibility for a puppet child. I left him on the Prydwen with the intention of sending him to whatever settlement Curie was in (I think Sanctuary at the time) with the idea that settlers there would be reasonably okay with non infiltration synths or they would have long since freaked out about her. He's free to try for some semblance of a life but I'm not his mother and I won't tolerate him insisting I am.

My BoS character took him, but moved him to Sanctuary with Preston's group rather than keeping him on the Prydwen. He's safer with the Minutemen than with the BoS long-term. Ultimately, I plan to build up a settlement which will be run by Danse (my character's romance option) and Shaun can live there too, safe from BoS, since Danse is also currently in exile with them. I just haven't decided where I want it to be located yet. There *are* individuals in the BoS, such as Scribe Haylen, sympathetic to synths on an individual level, and even Maxson let Danse live after that argument, but overall, synths in general are considered a major threat to be dealt with.

I'd suggest making a base on the fringe of the map that's far from the Brotherhood's area of influence. Maybe coastal cottage or Outpost Zimonja.

I can picture my character raising Shaun with the knowledge that he's a synth. He'll try to raise him with love but also train him to be a walking, talking, super mutant/feral ghoul killing machine. He'd also teach him how to avoid the Brotherhood and how to remain undetected. I took that bit inspiration from Dexter and his father.

That's a good idea. I'll make an inspection of them both next time I'm playing that character and see if either is fitting for what I have in mind. While it was fun to see Danse go crazy at Red Rocket shooting down a passing vertibird by himself, it's probably best to limit the amount of them that may fly over in the first place!

I left the kid. I figured he was an abomination and mockery of my child. What-her-name-with-no-legs-Paladin wasn't too happy about it but I left him anyway.

My RR character also left him due to the pain he brought making her think of her lost child (she never bought into Synths being alive anyway), but Tom brought him regardless.

My Institute character I don't think had the option, but she never visited the kid.

I turned off his essential tag and shot him with an MIRV big boy

She is fine with it if you tell her it's a synth. I left the thing behind because c'mon. I just killed my real son and now you pull this bullcrap on me, seriously?! Yea, my character has gone through enough.

That's funny. I really don't have a horse in this race but that just struck me as being wrong. Isn't that like saying wiping out the slave runners and slave owners doomed slaves to extinction? I'm not saying synths are slaves or sentient but the Railroad thinks so. For them, taking out the Institute was to stop the making of more slaves. The goal of anyone thinking they are righting a wrong is to fix it and not be needed.

For the BOS, they are just a bunch of elitist thinking they are the only ones that should have access to technology. They don't care about the people. All I hear when near one is 'If you're not Brotherhood of Steel, you're nothing.' What gives them the right to tell me what I can have and what I can't. They're just another gang forcing their will on others and taking what they want.. So don't tell me they're doing it for my own good.

BoS only want dangerous technology and if it's to dangerous then it needs to be destroyed. Really not elitism but more of protecting advanced technology that can be used against man-kind or cause serious problems. I wouldn't trust a lot of technology in the hands of someone like the Enclave or Caesar.

BoS don't have that mentality though, one of the goals of the east coast BoS is literally to help the people of the commonwealth and the BoS are all for that. They regularly interact with non-BoS and if you win with the BoS you'll see BoS members go to Diamond City where the residents talk highly of the BoS and the BoS show kindness and willing to do business with the residents, they even say how much they actually like the city.

They aren't "just another gang" they are actually a fully built country in Fallout 4 and there is even a eulogy stating a knight "died for his country" which could mean the BoS are much akin to an ordenstaat. Maxson and his soldiers constantly talk about wanting to help people, BoS patrols actively go to areas to clear out super mutants, raiders and ferals even in areas where there is no strategic value or has any technological artifacts.

The BoS aren't elitist, they aren't raiders, they do care about people and they don't have any sort of "your with us or against us" mentality.

Those people who fit their definition of "people," at any rate. Those who don't will be exterminated unless the PC invokes companion plot armor.

If I remember right she's not just fine with it, but Ingram expresses disgust with the concept of child synths.

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUfCCyfggxI - start at the 24:30 mark)

Yes, people not super mutants, ferals or malfunctioning robots.

And, you see, that last one is why the Brotherhood can't be anything but evil to me. But I'll tell you what: I've heard you talk about their checkpoints and patrols and whatnot, and the instant that the Brotherhood says that synths are people and will have the same rights and protections as humans, I'll totally be on board with them.

So you want the Brotherhood to have the same views as the Railroad, sorry more pro-Synth since the Railroad don't even regard all Synths as people...........and 99.9% of the people of the Commonwealth are evil because the pro Gene-3 Synth people are largely limited to the Railroad vs everybody else. The population pretty much loves your ass when you nuke the Institute.

Oh, no. Only the ones who seek out synths to kill them are evil.

So no killing Synths........very strange definition of the word evil, since it apparently only consists of the 'killing' of Synths.

Military dictatorships never work out to well for the people they say they’re helping. So with all the burnt books around the Commonwealth I guess that was for our protection too? Before you say it’s from the war, they say burnt not destroyed, and the comic books seem to have survived. I know I’m pushing it now. So let’s all go to a BOS book burning party so we can’t learn about dangerous technology. Where are the elected officials giving the BOS direction while protecting our rights?

In that specific context. There are lots of other ways to be evil. Killing them in self-defense is fine; it's the extermination that's the problem.

Ok, this makes no sense. The 'Burnt Book' and 'Burnt Comic' and 'Burnt Magazine' objects exist in the game world looooooooooooooooooooooooooong before the Prydwen arrives.

Democracies don't exactly abound in the wasteland, NCR are of course the most well known although they are also mainly known for their corrupt system, elected mayor in Diamond City, okay he turns out to be a Synth.

As for book burning, can you point to BOS ever burning books seems like they were collecting knowledge not destroying it......or was that another weak attempt to link the Brotherhood to Nazis?

Yeah another Nazi claim, they get weaker every time. ?