Although they don't do in the open but members believe what they are doing is right.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/164592-fallout-4/72838231

I'm sorry, but that opinion is crap and full of the same lies and erroneous claims I see repeated time and again by certain people on this forum.

Seems like more absolute nonsense.

That your opinion but that what I see in the BOS now.

No, it is not my opinion. That "opinion" is factually wrong.

They have no problem with normal ghouls. Their dislike for normal ghouls is just the general view shared by rest of the Commonwealth, in other words, personal opinion and not something to do with BoS doctrine. Danse hates if you kill regular ghouls and likes for you to help them. There are plenty of reasons to kill super mutants, feral ghouls, and raiders. They're protecting those that pose a danger. I like them and the Institute. It's hard to choose between them.

*puts a "don't feed Mitheledh" sign*

Except Elder Lyons was embroiled in a 20 year struggle with the super mutants that was going nowhere. He had no end game. It was not until my Vault Dweller told him where the super mutants were coming from that they started making any headway. And it was the Vault Dweller (and Fawkes) who took out Raven Rock sans Lyons. My point here isn't Brotherhood or Lyons bashing but that *most* factions who aren't a given game's big bad (Enclave, Institute) appear hopeless without the PC. This is just video game logic. It's like saying Brotherhood pilots svck when everybody knows the real issue is that Vertibirds are intentionally tissue paper so the PC can shoot them down and the pilot's AI is terrible.

So you're just going to call me a troll and dismiss me, huh? Brilliant.

The first paragraph of that opinion starts out with honey dripping praise for earlier incarnations of the Brotherhood. The second paragraph starts, in the very first sentence, with erroneous claims and inflamatory language. It provides no evidence to back up any of it's claims, probably because it doesn't have any. As I frequently tell students, an opinion without any evidence to back it up is pointless and worthless.

Now, because I don't feel like typing it all over again, I'm quote myself from another thread.

To add to that, when it comes to their treatment of technology, you need to look at it from their perspective. The idea that technology, when misused, can destroy the world is not some philosophical debate for them. For the Brotherhood and everyone else, it already did. Their world was already destroyed by technology. They've seen it happen. Their goal is to prevent that from happening again. People often like to talk about beneficial technology, but fail to realize that so called beneficial technologies are double edged swords. Nuclear power is a beneficial technology. Rocketry is a beneficial technology. Bioscience is a beneficial technology. But what did they give us? Nuclear missiles to destroy the world and FEV. I would be hard pressed to think of a beneficial technology that can not also be used to wreck havoc. You may not agree with them, but there is a reason they are doing it. They don't want to see what's left of the world get destroyed a second time.

Your opinion is wrong.

The BoS isn't the Enclave, even now. The Enclave wanted to purge any and all people with any mutation using the modified FEV, whether they were a feral ghoul or just some average citizen. Elder Maxson wouldn't do that, he only wants to stop the super mutants - who on the East Coast, really are just mindless HULK SMASH monsters who think they're better than everyone with only one exception. And of course prevent the spread of uncontrolled technology. He doesn't want to wipe most of humanity out, just prevent the mistakes of the past. And he certainly wouldn't spread the FEV, much less to weaponized deathclaws.

If you beat the game with them, you can see them fighting off the usual threats like synths and super mutants, and some criminals in Diamond City. They never bothered anyone else, and they never held up any of those owners for crops. Would the Enclave have behaved like that?

Like I said those are your opinions. So, please stop forcing your views among others.

My "opinion" is supported by facts in the game. The "opinion" you quoted is not. Some people like to think opinions can't be wrong and they often "It's my opinion" as a defense to say anything they want. I have news for you, though. Opinions can be wrong. Opinions that contradict facts are wrong.


It's like someone tells you the sky is green. You look up at the clear blue, tell them they're wrong and they respond with, "Well, that's my opinion". Guess what? It might be their opinion, but it's still wrong.

BoS isn't necessarily bigoted. They don't seem to have a general dislike for non-feral ghouls at this point; at least no more than other Wastelanders.


The justifiable reason to oppose them is because they do not negotiate. They answer any and all opposition with military action and strong arm tactics. This is mentioned by Scribe Haylen.


The Brotherhood believes they are right, period. They are the only ones responsible enough to use technology and this belief is what led them into direct conflict with the NCR and is part of their Codex.

That is a far cry from post apocalyptic nazis and enclave.

My first character's chosen faction was BoS. When she was with Elder Maxson and the other BoS who went with her into the Institute, Maxson made many comments to this effect when seeing for himself the Institute's technology. I remember him making some comment like, "This! This is exactly what I feared." He truly believes that by destroying the technology in the Institute, the BoS is saving humanity in general from destruction. The BoS isn't just hoarding technology or they would have killed or driven away everyone in the Institute and taken it over for themselves.

That's the same thing I often point to, as well. The Brotherhood had deemed this technology so dangerous that not even they should be in possession of it. So yes, they do hoard technology, but if they were doing it just to increase their power, blowing up the Institute would make no sense. They're not. They're trying to prevent a second apocalypse and in that vein, there is some technology that is so dangerous it should not exist. So they destroy it.

Your post OP, is pure rhetorical 'flame bait' and thus not worthy of further response.

For one thing, I still love how the argument for the Brotherhood being bigots is dismissed by "but synths aren't really people, so it's okay." For another thing, it wasn't technology that destroyed the world, it was economic and diplomatic failures, and the seeds were in human nature. And we can see just how far away the Brotherhood is from those who blew up the world when they set off a nuclear explosion in a city (yes, the Minutemen and the Railroad do the same thing, but they aren't the ones dedicated to keeping high technology out of the hands of untermenschen).

The tools they used to do it were technological. So yes, technology in the hands of people that misused it destroyed the world. And no, I'm sorry. Destroying the Institute is far from what the people that destroyed the world did. Even bigger, more devastating explosions than that have been set off even in real life and it wasn't even remotely close to destroying the world. I'm sorry, but you continuously grasp at straws that aren't there to justify your hatred of them.


Edit: That last comment exemplifies the erroneous and biased claims you tend to make. The only piece of advanced technology they employed against the Institute (other than their typical power armor and such) was Liberty Prime. The only reason the revived Liberty Prime was because they were against a highly advanced opponent. And at the end of the day, it didn't cause the crater. Nothing the Brotherhood took in with them was capable of creating it. They set the reactor to blow up just like everyone else. But they're somehow worse than everyone else for doing it? Why? Because they're suppose to be keeping technology out of the hands of those that misuse it? But that's exactly what they did! They did exactly what they professed to believe in. That's more than you can say about the Railroad who, in wiping out the capability to manufacture more synths, have doomed them to a slow extinction. So much for protecting them.

The Brotherhood has a reductive view of the entire scenario. What I mean by this is that conflict is fine as far as the Brotherhood is concerned. They feel having the means to end the world is the issue because they cannot destroy the will to do so.


Their two pronged approach to the problem is 1. Destroy or capture any technology with military capabilities, 2. Destroy anyone that doesn't agree with accomplishing step 1.

Economic and diplomatic failures are indeed a part of human nature. That means that those same failures are as old as human history. Why is it, then, that none of the multitude of past failures resulted in the world being destroyed? Maybe, and this is just a theory so bear with me, maybe it was because in all the past failures, no one had tools capable of destroying the world.


Now changing human nature really isn't something you can do. Not unless you want to replace everyone with synthetic organic machines programmed to get along. If you're not willing to do something like that, changing human nature really isn't a viable option. So what's the next best thing? If you remove the tools people used to destroy the world, then people can continue acting like people without a second apocalypse.


Wait, I thought of another way they could achieve it! They could develop a gas that could be pumped into the atmosphere. The gas would suppress aggressive behavior and make everyone calm and relaxed and docile all the time. That would work, wouldn't it?

Conidering what Mama Murphy says after a BOS ending, I'm feeling pretty safe:

BoS: You're wearing a suit of steel and energy. You're standing with... your brothers. Your mission. Accomplished. I see a land secured, contained. Dangerous objects taken from those who don't understand. Those who can't be trusted. You are the uniform, and you wear it well. And your rank and chain of command protect you better than the thickest armor.

and this is why we can't have nice things.

btw the brotherhood has and will kill any and all non feral ghouls. Just stand around the airport for any amount of time and you can hear lots of crap. If you have done the missing supplies quest for them you will get an idea of how they were when they got to the airport. also up on the prydwen all kinds of prejudie comments. The BOS looks down on all waste landers except you.

All the BOS is is a occupying force that cares nothing for anyone else and has a narrow minded view of the commonwealth and everyone in it. Sadly all other factions aren't much better. Thing is some of the BOS are like some of the institute in they don't like or believe in what they are doing anymore.

If you believe a military leader. Then the world will be doomed to repeat the past.

It'd be nice if the Brotherhood was attempting to eradicate nuclear bombs, wouldn't it? Alas, judging by Liberty Prime's loadout, this does not appear to be the case.