Opinions about the NCR

Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:07 am

Rome was a REPUBLIC, not a chain gang and the real Caesar was ELECTED because he had earned the people's trust and respect.

Not my words, but just do a quick google search of Roman Emperors.

"Emperors were very important figures in ancient Rome. Although they did not exist at the start of the empire, Romans felt that one man was needed to act as the leader of the empire. The emperor did not have unlimited power because there were other important figures in the Roman government. Caesar Augustus was one of the most famous Roman emperors.

Julius Caesar was also a ruler of Rome, but he ruled as a dictator, not an emperor.

Since the Romans did not want one man to make all of the laws, they decided to balance the power of the government between three branches: the executive branch, the legislative branch, and the judicial branch."


You being a history major are undoubtedly more knowledgeable on the topic of the Romans and history in general (I went to school for graphic design), however Rome had many stages of government and I think back to my previous point that skipping a stage in restoring civilization would be a grave mistake.

Furthermore, Caesar was more or less elected as the leader of the Legion because he showed the tribals how to survive. It's not like he walked into a jungle and was like "you're all going to do what I say or I'm going to kill you"

Since the government and politics are a hot issue, as myself and Brother Hood have been going over the past 2-4 pages, I'm not sure what else to add to this debate to tell you, besides, my opinion is what is is based off of the knowledge that we know, and we don't know enough to debate to a point of which faction is better than the other based upon their principles, if you want to debate who has cooler armor, then we have more than enough material to work with.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:31 am

NCR's got the coolest lookin armor hands down... unless Caesar is wearing some BA set of Toga Power Armor.. which is probably unlikely
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:01 pm

Uhm, I don't think the war is over CL being a slaver group. There was actually slavery going on outside of an NCR city in Fallout 2, wasn't there? I might be mistaken. I don't think the NCR is this holier-than-thou anti-slavery fighting force five like you seem to think. I think it's just that CL is just as large and powerful as the NCR and they both want control over the area. Remember the NCR is imperialistic.


Well, yes, the war is over power and resources, but I don't think they would be as keen to fight CL if they were, say, the New Vevada Republic or the League of Vaults or whatever. But because they are brutal slavers, the NCR cannot simply compromise. The question is, if they defeat CL, what stance will they take to the OTHER power players in the area?
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:33 am

I think my opinions are slowly changing, but i'm still thinking NCR is a bit better, but once again tuesday i'll figure out who i want to support. :homestar:

Yeah I've rethought about my position as well, which is good to do and many a playthough will be needed to explore all the game has to offer.

NCR's got the coolest lookin armor hands down... unless Caesar is wearing some BA set of Toga Power Armor.. which is probably unlikely

I like the NCR armor in a certain sense, "military and all" but then I like the CL armor as well "masks and darker colors".
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:00 pm

Well, yes, the war is over power and resources, but I don't think they would be as keen to fight CL if they were, say, the New Vevada Republic or the League of Vaults or whatever. But because they are brutal slavers, the NCR cannot simply compromise. The question is, if they defeat CL, what stance will they take to the OTHER power players in the area?


Oh. Well, they'll probably conquer everybody who shows resistance. Just like the Legion would.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:34 pm

quick question.. who's controlling the NCR? i know mr. house rules his faction caesar his.. whos NCr's "top dog"?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:11 pm

quick question.. who's controlling the NCR? i know mr. house rules his faction caesar his.. whos NCr's "top dog"?


The president. Aaron Kimball.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:44 pm

The president. Aaron Kimball.

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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:26 pm

quick question.. who's controlling the NCR? i know mr. house rules his faction caesar his.. whos NCr's "top dog"?


President Aaron Kimball who...

Spoiler
does appear in game.


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Aaron_Kimball
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:32 pm

NCR's gold-backed money has lost value after the Brotherhood of Steel ambushed and destroyed their gold deposits, so NCR's dollar is now backed by water. They hold an iron fist over Hoover Dam's production capabilites, and lease electricity and drinking water to the Strip in exchange for military supplies and a firm foothold in the region.


Learned something. I now understand why they are rationing water and such, but I still don't agree with it. This seems thuggish to me. They're basically blackmailing Nevada...
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:15 pm

Honestly, while I support the NCR's ideals... what kind of idiot government picks a fight with the Brotherhood of Steel? The NCR might have the land and numbers, but they're not exactly the Enclave yet...
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:08 pm

Im going with CL just cause it seems like it might be the most fun for wreaking some havoc besides outright killing everyone around
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:27 pm

Anywho, I'm curious how the NCR feels about non-slaver groups who don't eat puppies for breakfast. Do they respect New Vegas, the State of Utolbitha, or any of the other small towns? If they finally defeat CL, how exactly do they muster the ebnergy to finish taking over the Mojave Wasteland? If I were an NCR grunt and I had finally seen the conclusion of my four year tour in New Vegas, and suddenly I recieve orders to march on that super mutant fortess in the mountains...? I would hang up my gun and just walk back home.



Well, thankfully real armies have punishments against desertion.

If the Super Mutants are an enemy to be defeated, you strap on your boots, load your gun and go.

quick question.. who's controlling the NCR? i know mr. house rules his faction caesar his.. whos NCr's "top dog"?


It's called the Hall of Congress, where the democratically elected representitives of the people hold the reins of power.

And to clarify, from what I've read, the Brotherhood started the war with California.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:23 am

Well, thankfully real armies have punishments against desertion.

If the Super Mutants are an enemy to be defeated, you strap on your boots, load your gun and go.



It's called the Hall of Congress, where the democratically elected representitives of the people hold the reins of power.

And to clarify, from what I've read, the Brotherhood started the war with California.

so tandi is dead?
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:32 am

so tandi is dead?

Serious Question?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:27 pm

Serious Question?

no lol
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:01 pm

no lol

K, Good.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:48 am

Wait, what? The NCR in the game aren't the full NCR, but a separated faction that has lost connections and communication with the true NCR out west? So... the NCR is to New Vegas what the BoS is to the Capital Wasteland, fakes using a name that no longer truly applies to them? Could someone please clarify what's going on to me?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:43 pm

Wait, what? The NCR in the game aren't the full NCR, but a separated faction that has lost connections and communication with the true NCR out west? So... the NCR is to New Vegas what the BoS is to the Capital Wasteland, fakes using a name that no longer truly applies to them? Could someone please clarify what's going on to me?

ugh...check the wiki lol
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:59 pm

I hope to give the NCR control over the area. To me, they just seems to be the closest thing to the hope of restoration of civilized society in the post-apocalyptic United States.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:09 pm

wait, but... if the New Californian Republic (ultimately) take over the whole contintent, will it still be America, or New California?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:47 pm

wait, but... if the New Californian Republic (ultimately) take over the whole contintent, will it still be America, or New California?

America will be come New Hippie Liberal Republic. :laugh:
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:28 pm

Zen fascists will control you, 100% natural
You will jog for the master race, And always wear the happy face
California Uber Alles...

ahh Jello.... a prophet before his time...
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:24 pm

wait, but... if the New Californian Republic (ultimately) take over the whole contintent, will it still be America, or New California?


New California Republic Of America....IN AMERICA
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:50 pm

America will be come New Hippie Liberal Republic. :laugh:


Hippie liberals don't mix well with a setting that demands rugged individualism, though. They're probably weeded out by now, and will resurface only when Americans are prosperous enough to create trustfund babies again.

I can tell you one thing for sure... once I come across http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5804/screen14b.jpg in the game, I will smile, and get ready to vent out some frustration. :gun:
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