Safe? See the above post.

Hate slavery? I don't think so. I think they just don't practice it.

I really don't know what to think of the NCR in New Vegas. I mean true their forces are limited and their system of governing is just asking for corruption (which most forms of government today deal with anyways), but they at least have a great idea and purpose that if it was built right overtime would benefit all the citizens and wastelanders in the area in and around New Vegas.

I kind of like their system a bit better compared to Caesar's Legion's, who kill for what they want. I mean that just screams dictatorship later on down the line. But then again, they do protect the people under their rule a bit better.

All in all, I guess it depends on what you'd prefer. Better protection from the wastes, or a better government.

I'd actually like to see sort of a truce between the two, with NCR's governing combined with the forces of Caesar's Legion.

But I guess we'll all see what we think is best when we get our hands on the game.

On a side note, I'm loving the shades of grey in the main story so far. Definitely something Fallout 3's story was lacking. :clap:

Finally, someone who shares the same views as i do. But think of it like this if you want to join up with CL it would eventually turn into a modern day North Korea, and from what i'm seeing with NCR it would eventually turn into a modern day USA. This assumption is just going off of politics and what i know about both countries.
Personally, in the long run if you're RP'ing and thinking about that, NCR would be a better fit for the future of Vegas and the Mojave desert

Just going to put out there that Caesar's Legion is not Nazi Occupied Germany. I'm Just Sayin'...

The Legion's end game goals are also good (unite the wasteland under one flag "as it were", but indeed the shades of gray are awesome, and a great development idea.

Caesar also started up the legion from teaching tribals basic survival skills, so I doubt "all out power" is his main prerogative.

Of course, i'm not saying what caesars legion is aiming for is terrible, i fully know their goals and cause. I just personally don't think how they're going about it is right.

Well I think that when there's people classified as "tribals" you have to think of the state the wastes are in, there's probably fighting between tribes and battles over supplies, so under a unified flag all the people are more or less taken care of, it's yet to be seen how bad the slavery is, but to people saying (not you.) that CL is evil, that's like calling Ancient Rome evil.

from what it looks like ceasars legion is like Rome.. almost exactly like it in fact.. the romans were brutal and murdered and pillaged a lot of people when they were conquering all those lands but they are still looked at as one of the most advanced civilizations of their time... so yea CL ftw man im bout to conquer that wasteland

Stop everyone from fighting amongst themselves by killing them or putting them all on one side, or you know we could sit around and ration water to wastelanders and partake in shady government.

(my opinion, not trying to start fights.)

lol also it's a video game... so im gonna go for the more extreme options ya know.

I just want to join the Legion so that I can move up the ladder. Eventually I'd assassinate Caesar and become the new Caesar. I'm not sure that's in the game, but that's how I'd play it.

see, for the people who keep saying "its like rome! it's like rome! ftwftw" well, the setting ISN'T Rome, if you're playing this game just to play it, then go with what's "ftw" but if you're role playing, you're thinking about whats going to be better for the future, when everything (implying that one day everything will be normal again) is normal again, you won't want someone like caesar ruleing your country, he has everyone under strict rules, and kills everyone who disobeys him. If you're thinking logically, even though the NCR is really corrupt within itself, what government isn't? They want to bring back democracy, rules, and laws. Even though the wastelands are harsh right now, and you may need extra force NOW thats not how it would be in the FUTURE and i just think (from an RP'ing view) Caesar isn't the right choice.

(NOT trying to start fights or converting anyone to NCR)

one big thing on that... logic is nonexistant in the fallout universe lol

The problem is that we don't know anything about Caesar. We know a bit about the Legion, and we know some stuff about Vulpes Inculta (that sadistic sunuvadesertfox) but not that much about the leader. Maybe he has something planned that would eventually work out and just doesn't pay much attention to how his subordinates get their work done. He did use to be a Follower of the Apocalypse which is basically one big wasteland charity organization.

hmm, if i recall correctly, in the best buy live video, i think they talked a little bit about caesar actually, and personally my opinion on him, is: He's a very harsh man but with a good cause, he gets things done by force.

From that... i don't think he's that great of a person. Ontop of that, none of the people in CL are that great either, they're all slavers and do what Caesar says.

But of course only time will tell.

Well that would mean he's another Ashur. A large supporter of "the ends justify the means." Oh dear god. I hope we don't have 30+ threads in two weeks arguing about whether Caesar has the right idea or not.

There is only one reason i like the NCR.
And that is for their super bad A armor that the dude is wearing on the cover.
HELLZ-TO-TEH-YEAH! That NCR combat armor is awesome!

I think they are badass, mostly because they have Rangers in their ranks. The NCR Ranger Combat Armor/Trench Coat is a must for my sniper.

you know you could just go CL and than cap some NCR dude in the face and jack the armor ?

At first, I thought the NCR was great.
I turned into their biggest fan, I thought they would be the power in the wasteland, the overall leaders.
Then I realized they were weak, after many interviews of hearing about them. The NCR are just fools dressed in fancy armor waiting to be overthrown.
I will side with the NCR at first, then turn on them, tearing the faction to bits and leaving no trace of what once was, siding with CL's.

Will caesars legion attack you if you wear NCR Armor?

That's interesting. Don't wait to long to turn on them though, because i think after a while you're stuck with them. :nope:

Yes, well .. unless you sneak around.

you could always...take the armor off before aproaching the base?

Oh definitely, I'll be doing 2~3 quests for them, then just scout out each base. Soon enough, each one will be a ghost town.
But, in 2nd playthrough, I will have to join them just for Role playing matters.

I wasn't saying that CL "is" Rome, but it does have similar aspects of unification and politics, obviously the wastelandish times do play a role, and everyone is entitled to their opinions but when I think about the wasteland without any army or government, vs the NCR or CL, I think in the Long run it depends on the leaders of the organizations, those in power like to stay in power usually.

We'll have to wait to see the politics, so far, for me, Caesar is willing to take the necessary steps towards a united wasteland where the NCR seems to be preoccupied by politics and controlling major energy sources (hoover dam and helios1) to furthur their power, (house being worried they'll overtake the strip as well.) where the legion is coming to "unite" the wasteland of Vegas and kill anyone who gets in the way. I see it as a "we shouldn't be fighting over energy sources per say for the sake of fighting over them, but take over everything so that everyone will work towards the same goals". Rome had it's problems and Rome collapsed because of them, but not before changing the world forever.

A very "my way or the highway" type of ordeal, while In reality I'm all for freedom of speech and all that jazz, I think in a wasteland environment people would welcome a strong military force that both knows what they're doing and doing it well, along with being able to protect it's citizens from danger. Sure Roman ideals and practices had their down sides "slavery and killing, along with others" but look what the Roman empire accomplished.

In an Role Playing(IRL) perspective I'd support what ever side is going to protect my ass from Deathclaws most likely lol.