See, i like your opinions on things, and i like how you can have a civilized debate about something that seems to draw major conflict on this forum. I think Caesar would get the job done faster, but once again.. with Caesar, he wants to control by taking over completely and being in complete control of EVERYONE and EVERYTHING, and he may seem great now, but i think if he got full control of the mojave wasteland, and vegas as a whole, he would be a very corrupt person (as he seems now). The military (coming from the slaver background) would be cruel and quite controlling. With the NCR you're saying they're worried about obtaining power of all the resources and worried about the politics. I think when you're in a situation like that, that's how you'd start off bringing back a normal civilized democracy. If you think about it, the NCR is kind of "just starting out" if you'd like to word it like that. Once the NCR has control of all the remaining resources, and has the majority following them, they can ration out the resources which would bring peace to most people, and they would bring the laws, and rules that are fundamental for running a civilization. Idk if it's true but i've seen around the forums that eventually you can take control of the faction or something? in a RP'ing sense, once you're leader you can basically do anything you want to a certain extent. If you were leader with all the resources and everyone looking up to you, you could really make a change for the better (especially since everyone in that situation is looking for someone who will shelter and provide to their needs).

as for the IRL roleplay haha! yeah exactly those things are vicious, but i think NCR has the most protection, they have the most men and most area (as far as i know)

I understand where you're coming from but it's kind of hard to help the people when you have the CL and other factions trying to steal your resources. And from what i know, the NCR is helping the people, they just aren't to organized about it. From what i know, they need a new leader and thats where i'm gunna try and come in. :whistling:

Suited to be in control? Yes. Corrupt? Maybe. Suited to making the people happy? **** NO!

:shakehead: i don't think they're even close to being suited to be in control, besides the fact that they can follow through, they kill everyone who doesn't follow their orders, they're slavers so by nature they'll be very controlling and abusive (even if caesar isn't). I wouldn't consider that suited to be in control.

new vegas is only useful if you control hoover dam... otherwise you just have a bunch of powerless, worthless buildings..

I just... said... that... :rolleyes:

They abuse their citizens and can barely enforce their own laws. They're cut off from the rest of the NCR back in California.

Thanks , I'm not sure if Caesar wants to control everything/body but I haven't met him in-game and I have yet to see his political circle (for example if he alone makes decisions or if there is some kind of senate or voting). May I ask why you think that Caesar is a "corrupt person" ?(being a former member of the 'Apoc' and teaching tribals the basics of survival and to stop them from fighting with each other in the begining). I agree that the military side of the equation is less than ideal, and they're most likely pretty harsh. Vulpes is a good example. I stated what I thought the NCR should have focused on in my latest post, The NCR rationing off food and water is not exactlly what I would call democracy, there should be a free market, or at least some kind of open trade situation set in place so people don't have to rely on the military for their lively hood. I'm ignoring the possibilities of taking over a faction from within because it's not confirmed, and in such a case NCR would probably be better if we had "unlimited" choices to make, but we won't we'll have 2-3 if we can indeed take over.

It's been said in videos that the NCR is having a hard time keeping the legion at bay and is having an even harder time protecting people in the areas that it controls.

I think in the best busy live stream, he said that Caesar makes the rules, and everyone follows his word, if they don't they die... I think hes corrupt because even though he says he has a greater cause, hes torturing, taking in slaves and killing people. I think if he took control he'd take over everything and like i said in an earlier post it would turn into a north korea type feel (if you know what im talking about) if you don't to sum it all up, Kim Jon il controls all of North Korea and cuts everyone off from everything, basically no one can do anything without his word. So if you can understand what i'm saying, i just feel that in the long run Caesar would not be suit-able. As for the NCR you're right, but i wouldn't say what they're doing would be called a democracy, i just read on the vault wiki or w/e that they're trying to bring back democracy and pre-war laws, and i know if the fallout world ends up going back to normal, you need structure and rules. The only problem i have with the NCR is that they DONT have structure, they can't follow through with what they're saying, but if they could they would triumph. :celebration:

true true...but then again this is a video game so...as long as im on the side where im livin the good life than hell yea

Well, it is JUST a video game, but i've said in previous posts, im talking about the role playing aspect of it, i'm thinking as it's real life, and what it would be like to be in that enviornment with all these factions fighting for control. But you're right it's just a game.

I think the NCR would be "living the good life" seeing as how currently they control almost everything.. unless you think living the good life is living in a 5 building outpost with a controlling leader who doesn't care about you, just wants to obtain control. He'd kill you in a second if you slipped up. :toughninja:

how do you know they live in a 5 building outpost?

I think in the best busy live stream, he said that Caesar makes the rules, and everyone follows his word, if they don't they die... I think hes corrupt because even though he says he has a greater cause, hes torturing, taking in slaves and killing people. I think if he took control he'd take over everything and like i said in an earlier post it would turn into a north korea type feel (if you know what im talking about) if you don't to sum it all up, Kim Jon il controls all of North Korea and cuts everyone off from everything, basically no one can do anything without his word. So if you can understand what i'm saying, i just feel that in the long run Caesar would not be suit-able. As for the NCR you're right, but i wouldn't say what they're doing would be called a democracy, i just read on the vault wiki or w/e that they're trying to bring back democracy and pre-war laws, and i know if the fallout world ends up going back to normal, you need structure and rules. The only problem i have with the NCR is that they DONT have structure, they can't follow through with what they're saying, but if they could they would triumph. :celebration:

:shakehead: i don't think they're even close to being suited to be in control, besides the fact that they can follow through, they kill everyone who doesn't follow their orders, they're slavers so by nature they'll be very controlling and abusive (even if caesar isn't). I wouldn't consider that suited to be in control.

they are not cut off what u talken about?
the president is even in the game

I don't think you can really judge the NCR since we've never really seen it. For all we know, New California is a great place to raise your kids. All we've seen is their military and the Rangers, both of whom spend their time weeding out slavery. These are good things. They don't massacre villages, they don't experiment on people, and they don't have whacky ideas about genetic purity. Unless Caesar has a heck of a community outreach program that doesn't rely on crucifixes or chains, then I can't see what kind of moral high ground he has. He's just another warlord with an exceptionally large operation.

Well, from what i saw in the best buy live stream, they had a max of 7 building? they may have more bases around the wasteland buuuuut idk about that. :nono:

What? Prove this to me. I've been following news pretty closely and the President being in the game hasn't been said once. The President should be back in the capital which is Shady Sands. In California.

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lol well they have more bases scattered around the wasteland for example the e3 demo showed you invading a CL base that was completely diferent from the best buy base shown also.. NCr doesnt control New Vegas house does and NCR dont control the dam as it specifically says somewhere i forgot that the NCR and CL are stalemated AT the dam.. infering that neither have possesion also you dont know just how many bases NCR has cause they have never acutally mentioned any of them yet

Well, from what i saw in the best buy live stream, they had a max of 7 building? they may have more bases around the wasteland buuuuut idk about that. :nono:

I don't think you can really judge the NCR since we've never really seen it. For all we know, New California is a great place to raise your kids. All we've seen is their military and the Rangers, both of whom spend their time weeding out slavery. These are good things. They don't massacre villages, they don't experiment on people, and they don't have whacky ideas about genetic purity. Unless Caesar has a heck of a community outreach program that doesn't rely on crucifixes or chains, then I can't see what kind of moral high ground he has. He's just another warlord with an exceptionally large operation.

Thank you! finally, someone whos thinking on my level. But we DOOO know that the NCR isn't structured well, and is struggling as well, i know from reading the vault wiki or whatever it'd called. They want to bring back Democracy and pre-war laws.

A lot of that info is from Fallout 2. New Vegas isn't the first game to feature them.