I'm pondering giving up my bosmer obsession and playing a dunmer first this time around. With the destruction of their home province, dunmer history could be at a very interesting turning point. Part of that reading took me to the orcs and that's where I got kind of confused.


Trinimac was devoured or usurped or murdered by Boethiah. Ok. Trinimac's "leftovers" or carrion become Malacath. During that conversion, the daedra's followers are turned from strong elves into ugly elves... The orcs.

But!

Wasn't Boethiah pretending to be Trinimac in order to get Veloth to lead a group of Aldmer away from the west coast and over into the east? During that journey or in the years that follow, the migrating group finds their own identity as a culture and become the Chimer, the proto-dunmer. But... if they think they're following Trinimac this whole time, and I would assume they're worshiping him all along, shouldn't they have been converted into ugly elves too? Or did the murder occur at the moment that Boethiah pretended to be Trinimac and thus the Orc conversion happened before the Chimer even began listening to the false Trinimac?

Confused! I think I'm reading the TES Wiki wrong. Can anyone help?

I think it was more of a "Boethiah puts on a silly Trinimac Mask, complete with feathers, and parades around nvde going HeyguyzLookatMe NoOneExpectstheSpanishInquisition" kind of thing. Dislodging any respect the proto-Velothi had for the Aedra. They're convinced that the Daedra are cool.

I personally like to think that Trinimac was the Knight Templar god. And held a witchhunt when the proto-dunmer tried to break away. Ruffled Boethiah's feathers, so the god struck back. I think it makes sense as far as Orcs worshipping "the strong god that was abandoned by his liege and now cares only for himself. And Powah!" [So then the Orcs happened, while the aldmeri not-yet-dunmer escaped scotchfree.]

That makes sense! Boethiah was generally causing trouble and Trinimac was going to call him on it. So once the Chimer are wandering away, Boethiah essentially slides a knife into Trinimac's side and that's that. Trinimac changes and the threat to the Chimer change with him. Now Boethiah's "personal Aldmeri" are safe since the whole world basically turned on Trinimac's old followers.

Aweomse! You rock! ^_^

I agree. Good answer, qrsComplex.

Also, a nod to the OP for such a great topic title/subtitle. I love great topic title/subtitles.

*bows* ^_^ Sizzle sells the steak!

I too think this makes the most sense. After all, Malacath did tell Attrebus that the story of Trinimac being swallowed and pooped out as being too literal.

Yea, but who wouldn't say that if there was a story which depicted them as being a literal pile of crap

Malacath doesn't strike me as a liar. There's also the fact that there's been 1000s of years of 1000th-hand accounts. Went from Boethia from trolling as a lookalike of Trinimac to Boethia eating Trinimac and pooping him out

On a car trip late last night, I bought Lord of Souls and read that passage! I was laughing my ass off about having literally two hours earlier created this topic. Everyone else thought I was already drunk. ^_^