Orcs or Dwarves : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:15 am

In your opinion are Orcs substituting for Dwarves?They have many aspects commonly given to Dwarves, such as their skill as armorers, their skill with axe, and their race's home in the mountains. Is it just me or do orcs seem alot more like Dwarves than the dwemer do?

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:16 am

None at all.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:37 pm

Dwemers aren't Dwarves in any sense... they're as much Mer as the other Mer races.

So neither.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:29 pm

Dwemers aren't Dwarves in any sense... they're as much Mer as the other Mer races.

So neither.

Exactly. The Dwemer in tes are not the typical "dwarf".

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:56 am

Exactly. The Dwemer in tes are not the typical "dwarf".

But then why are so many of their weapons, armor, and artifacts in morrowind and oblivion called dwarven?

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:13 am

But then why are so many of their weapons, armor, and artifacts in morrowind and oblivion called dwarven?

Its just a racial slur. Dwemer are a short bearded elven race who were incredibly industrious. They were Dwe-"mer".

EDIT: No I don't think they are a substitute. However I often wonder what the hell Orcs are in the first place, I've heard a lot of theories but none are clear cut.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:59 am

Its just a racial slur. Dwemer are a short bearded elven race who were incredibly industrious. They were Dwe-"mer".

EDIT: No I don't think they are a substitute. However I often wonder what the hell Orcs are in the first place, I've heard a lot of theories but none are clear cut.

To me they've always seemed like a mix of a boar and a goblin.(Although I remember reading somewhere that they used to be normal elves)

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:55 am

Orcs are Mer as well.
Orsimer to be specific.

I'm not 100% but I'm sure the Orsimer changed apperances when Trinimac was "eaten" by Boethia.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:58 pm

Orcs are Mer as well.
Orsimer to be specific.

I'm not 100% but I'm sure the Orsimer changed apperances when Trinimac was "eaten" by Boethia.

Are there any images of what they used to look like?

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:27 am

Not that I know of, but they probably look similar to the Altmers, as many of the Mer races did once.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:01 am

They were aldmers (the 'common ancestor' of the mer races), followers of Triminac, not a specific race of elves.

As the curent altmers didn't change much from their aldmer roots that we know of, they looked probably close to what the altmers looks like now.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:19 pm

... Wow... that sounds A LOT like the Tolkien lore. In the Silmarillion, elves were deceived and taken into captivity by Morgoth and his servants, then they were basically tortured and transformed by dark magic into hideous orcs.

How it happened is different in TES lore, but its interesting how the Orcs were once beautiful Elves and now they're a hideous beast race.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:59 pm

They were aldmers (the 'common ancestor' of the mer races), followers of Triminac, not a specific race of elves.

As the curent altmers didn't change much from their aldmer roots that we know of, they looked probably close to what the altmers looks like now.

Yes indeed, I was merely using the name Altmer to describe how they probably looked.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:40 pm

It was definitely Dark Magic that transformed Trinimac....

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:41 am

It was definitely Dark Magic that transformed Trinimac....

But isint Boethia A good deadra, not a bad one?

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:21 am

But isint Boethia A good deadra, not a bad one?

I think prowler was being sarcastic....? :unsure:

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:58 am

I'd call being eaten and syphoned through his digestive tract Dark Magic. No chance of lighting a match in there...

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:32 am

"Good Daedra" doesn't equal THE Good. Mundus is too grey for stuff like that.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:01 am

proweler was sarcastic...? :read:

Aye, "good" and "bad" is quite shady in this serie.
We're not Tolkien.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:02 pm

And what about Dumac Dwarf-Orc?

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:18 pm

And what about Dumac Dwarf-Orc?

Yo Mamma was so ugly, they call you Half-Orc.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:23 am

Just a name?

Argh, my new internet is to slow!

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:59 pm

I find the "Dumalacath" variant more hilarious and offensive for some reason.

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:23 pm

Same here.
For some reason I always tend to think of a swedish sentence which isn't really offencive but it just gives my head a not good cling to it.
"Dumma j?vla katt" which translates to "Stupid [censored] cat"... or am I just to tired to think straight?

» Mon Aug 02, 2010 2:35 pm

And what about Dumac Dwarf-Orc?

Are you saying that Dumac influenenced both the Dwemer and the Orcs or that he was realy half orc?