[REQ] ORE Castles Challenge

Post » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:12 am

Looking forward to the masterpieces to come! Best of luck to all of you competitors! (More so to the ones building in snow environments :P)
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Post » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:59 am

Glad to hear that you decided to join the challenge The Filthy Spaniard, looking forward to see your work. ;)
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Post » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:54 am

This is gonna be a fun contest.
I hope more people will join up, should be good fun :D

I know I've been having fun so far :hehe:


I can't wait to see your castle Yevic ;)

All of your Oblivion and FO3 house mods have been top notch, can't wait to see your castle.
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:10 pm

Ok, could you please sign me up officially please Shezrie? :) Thank you!


Signed you up! :)
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:22 pm

Can't wait to see the results! I love castles! :D
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Post » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:04 am

Good luck to everyone, this will be a fun challenge and I am eager to see what you guys come up with. :)
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:50 pm

Signed you up! :)


Thanks! :D This is going to be fun and useful - as I'm going to be making some new resources too! Infact, I've already started :P
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:52 pm

good luck. I likes castles me. :D
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Post » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:04 am

as I'm going to be making some new resources too! Infact, I've already started :P


I like the sound of that :tops:
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:01 pm

Here is some pictures for inspiration:

- http://avocado27.blog.ocn.ne.jp/gazou/laputa.jpg
- http://steelcloset.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/howls_moving_castle1.jpg
- http://atarts.deviantart.com/art/MoA-Vampire-Castle-63543000?moodonly=1
- http://marcsimonetti.deviantart.com/art/Greyjoy-s-castle-ASOIAF-143061616
- http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs16/f/2007/200/8/0/The_Castle_Revisited_2007_by_radu_jm.png
- http://www.letsgo.com/system/post_attachments/31/neuschwanstein_castle.jpg
- http://www.hp-lexicon.org/images/rj/rj_castle.gif
- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Osaka_Castle_Nishinomaru_Garden_April_2005.JPG
- http://www.wayfaring.info/images/castel_bran_aka_dracula_castle.jpg
- http://macfantasie.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/himeji_castle_large.jpg
- http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/1530381496_d4d3783f40.jpg
- http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/photography/castle/castle_1.jpg
- http://fantasyartdesign.com/free-wallpapers/imgs/new/26Castle.jpg
- http://wallpaper-s.org/18_~_Fable_2_%28Xbox_360%29%2C_Castle.htm
- http://www.3dgrafika.cz/img/_gallery/14/14897.jpg
- http://fantasyartdesign.com/free-wallpapers/imgs/new/84mix-fantasy01.jpg
- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/Neuschwanstein_Castle_LOC_print_rotated.jpg
- http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/images/TN-The_Eyrie.jpg
- http://www.finalfantasy.net/wallpaper/1024x768/1344-final-fantasy9-023-bjgkz.jpg
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/9335174@N02/631172927/
- http://www.fullhalloween.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/atlantis.jpg
- http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w216/houseofpictures07/castle_darkness.jpg
- http://www.zastavki.com/pictures/1024x768/2008/Fantasy_Kingdom_Castle_011541_.jpg
- http://centralmediaserver.com/wmar/potter/Hogwartsixterior.jpg
- http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/perfect-world/sky-fort.jpg


These screenshots....these screenshots!
There is mutch inspiration shown! And I guess many things shown there can be taken out to create a castle for Oblivion!

This ORE-Challenge is for me the finest one ORE has ever seen! And for sure, as soon as the plugins out of that challenge are shown public I?ll have a sightseeing tour through every single castle and will enjoy it a lot!
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:36 pm

This is going to be great! This is no doubt the ORE-challenge I will look the most forward to!
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:02 pm

Found a website dedicated to a castle which I visited some years ago.

http://www.burg-kriebstein.de/

And I guess, most if it?s exterior could be recreated in Oblivion by using Mr_Siika?s Castle meshes.
Would be a nice task for a challenge participant :)
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:13 pm

While I don't have the time to participate in this, I think it is a great idea and sincerely appreciate them good house mods!

Here is a possible resource for Castles that has some good information and neat images. Chock full of info and great if you are a writer/game designer looking for information on fortresses/castles, including visuals.

-> http://www.amazon.com/Medieval-Fortress-Castles-Walled-Cities/dp/0306813580/ref=tmm_pap_title_0
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:06 pm

Signed Trollf up. :)

Aisis made http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=26915 specifically for castles.

When I think castles I generally split them into two categories...

http://www.itraveldays.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/bodiam_castle.jpg


This one is all about function and defense. Built to house an army and to defend certain geographical points, they usually have barracks, a throne room, a main hall, a dungeon..... Decorated with the spoils of war and suits of armor. Not much elegance at all in the decor. Usually these have massive walls and moats.

Then there is your castle that is built more to be a grand home and house a noble family....

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/10-unique-castles-1.jpg

This castle is all opulance and grandeur. Typically they have a grand stair case, a ball room, a grand library. Massive portraits line the walls and the furniture is grand antique pieces of the highest quality.
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:11 pm

While I don't have the time to participate in this, I think it is a great idea and sincerely appreciate them good house mods!

Here is a possible resource for Castles that has some good information and neat images. Chock full of info and great if you are a writer/game designer looking for information on fortresses/castles, including visuals.

-> http://www.amazon.com/Medieval-Fortress-Castles-Walled-Cities/dp/0306813580/ref=tmm_pap_title_0


This a great book too

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Castles-Air-Aerial-Britains-Finest/dp/0747587469
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:44 pm

Big fan of Louis xiv-xv http://cmcdesignstudio.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/louis-xiv-bed.jpg
if it doen't look like that then your slumming it! :liplick:
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:17 pm

Since I posted a lot of exterior pictures of castles, I`ll post some interior also :P :

Throne room:

- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3a%28Ireland)_Dublin_Castle_Interior_(Throne).jpg
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3a%44ublin_Castle_Throne_Room.jpg
- http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2219559460075662320rrMVOd
- http://lh6.ggpht.com/_pumDDKzflug/Rb1G5XVv14I/AAAAAAAAA2I/_EwPT03ubp0/CIMG3067.JPG
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Neuschwanstein_throne_room_00180u.jpg
- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Sal%C3%B3n_del_Tono.JPG
- http://lh5.ggpht.com/_pumDDKzflug/Rb1G_HVv19I/AAAAAAAAA2w/sGXI7PyEytk/CIMG3072.JPG
- http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/8500080%20TR%20(Derry%20Moore).jpg
- http://wizitch.com/images/TheThroneRoom%201000x800.jpg
- http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs15/f/2007/048/3/f/Underwater_Palace_Throne_Room_by_ArthurK87.jpg
- http://www.historyfish.net/images/misc/fr_throneroom.jpg
- http://spawnkill.com/wp-content/gallery/divinity2/Divinity_II_BT_Throne_Room.jpg
- http://stylishcorpse.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/lghthroneroom1.jpg
- http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9224/battletower.png
- http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs41/f/2009/015/7/3/Griefshield_throne_chamber_by_eWKn.jpg
- http://www.krahttp://www.lotroforge.com/images/586.jpg
- http://www.runesofmagic.com/en/uploads/inline/pic-86-popup.jpg
- http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/dracula_ds3/gallery/files/wallpaper/dracula_07_1280.jpg
- http://www.coveworld.net/eberron/315art04.jpg
- http://www.bloodrayne2.com/images/gallery/kagan_thronroom.jpg
- http://www.conceptart.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=651555&stc=1&d=1240257395
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/hermaxartwork/3366520217/
- http://www.aelyria.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=588&c=14
- http://burningbrushgallery.deviantart.com/art/Odin-s-Throne-123970704
- http://forums.skadi.net/photoplog/images/30407/large/1_Odin__s_Throne_by_RayM0506.jpg


Corridors/hallways:

- http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs19/f/2007/267/d/b/Abandoned_Gothic_Cathedral_by_I_NetGraFX.jpg
- http://www.gamersgate.com/img/screenshots/DD-DRAO/Dracula_Origin_8.jpg
- http://www.ize-stuff.com/picture/stuff/movie_stuff/castlevania_fantasy_stuff/Dark-Castle-7.jpg
- http://www.brokenattitude.com/images/transient-shift-castle-hall.jpg
- http://www.pantomusicals.co.uk/dracula/digital/0201_castleinterior.jpg
- http://www.airbum.com/BlogPix/Howard-Hallway-1355-LrgWEB.jpg
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/ostrikoff/4195391294/
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/11223588@N03/1221714660/
- http://www.atarts.thuemler.com/MoA/CastleCorridorBridge.jpg
- http://www.boreally.org/photographies/friches/mesen-lede-couloir-colore.jpg
- http://www.1st-art-gallery.com/thumbnail/202789/1/South-Corridor,-Windsor-Castle,-1838.jpg
- http://www.fantasy-earth.ru/galleries/Anry/HALL.JPG
- http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/images/newsletter/06_2008/bastionstair_hallway.jpg
- http://www.eos-numerique.com/maphoto/0812/118515116.jpg
- http://ujtravels.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/img_1580-north-aisle-in-gothic-style-as-remodelled-by-william-of-wykeham.jpg
- http://www.myps3.com.au/img/game/Devil-May-Cry-5.jpg
- http://www.stevesgallery.net/albums/userpics/10001/SCHAD_22_0906.JPG

Library:

- http://www.gamersgate.com/img/screenshots/DD-DRAO/Dracula_Origin_1.jpg
- http://lh6.ggpht.com/_dU7mF62zHP8/RvAcDCzpBLI/AAAAAAAAAYU/ndHEbOtt1go/Picture+074.jpg
- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/Heast_Castle_library_p1080553.jpg
- http://www.librarycompany.org/gothic/images/9.2.jpg
- http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_O4scusv6Blo/SwNnjnMIQ-I/AAAAAAAAAFw/Z09X4regkTY/s1600/chethams_library_interior-734003.jpg
- http://www.mininginstitute.org.uk/images/libraryBig.jpg
- http://www.richardspires.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Horace/TheLibrary.jpg
- http://www.leeds-castle.com/pages/gallery_pics/library.jpg
- http://cache.virtualtourist.com/921132-Festetics_Castle_the_Library-Keszthely.jpg
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/29159750@N00/340451247/
- http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo145/deadhaunted/SH_Library.jpg?t=1228135451


Ballroom:

- http://i40.tinypic.com/2w4h7a9.jpg
- http://www.flaglermuseum.us/images/grand-ballroom_000.jpg
- http://www.publicartinla.com/Downtown/figueroa/Pershing_Square_History/biltmore_ballroom.jpeg
- http://www.kaltstart.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/snapshot_029-kopie.png
- http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb75/edward_pearse/Handfasting11.jpg
- http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1088766675049193548YOuoLg
- http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2371030540091452197FnsFoL
- http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/1473437310076317593abXgsV
- http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1394860920074085761eLVqRT
- http://lh4.ggpht.com/_duuQlUkZRyM/SN3Jov5ATQI/AAAAAAAAAYM/tDVMfeMLzq0/IMG_0698.JPG
- http://www.perspectiv-online.org/doc_eng/images/route/kanol/gent-gross.jpg
- http://everquest.allakhazam.com/scenery/dreadspire-ballroom.jpg


Bedroom:

- http://www.marerico.com/ludwigIIpictures/Bedroom2.jpg
- http://lh4.ggpht.com/_lGTaqS58baQ/SF3IjMOqMUI/AAAAAAAAAZU/9NH6hPr3ok8/34+L%27hof.jpg
- http://www.carneycastle.com/Hever/bedroom.jpg
- http://www.fotothing.com/photos/4bd/4bd7cc5360bca5818e66a51be7952091_03a.jpg
- http://www.old-picture.com/europe/pictures/Herrenchiemsee-bedroom.jpg
- http://www.old-picture.com/europe/pictures/Pictures-Tristan.jpg
- http://www.carnegieclub.co.uk/assets/images/slideshow/Bedroom.jpg
- http://www.castlehotelireland.com/photos/castle-leslie/castle-leslie-the-red-room.jpg
- http://www.viaggiaresempre.it/008GermaniaCastelloNeuschwanstein.jpg
- http://gi166.photobucket.com/groups/u93/KNDPSAL0GY/DamienSummerBedroom.png
- http://www.thornbury.org.uk/pictures/large/howard_bedroom.jpg
- http://www.ghezzani.it/catalogo/barocco/letto_barocco.jpg
- http://www.mebit.ru/uploads/images/barocco2.jpg
- http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1189347139033226112QWfHNw
- http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1049859943039865444YGGiTs
- http://albums.mouseplanet.com/Disneyland-Dream-Suite/DreamSuiteBedroom_Disney.jpg
- http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/1327326847027824980QKiiTe
- http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/1245619727063690704niAPyV
- http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MCk_x7vwZBI/R1R3fKxJlyI/AAAAAAAAAHM/V0pPjDKEV14/s1600-R/15+Bedroom,+Talbot+Hotel+Ripley.jpg
- http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/1378803892035540649YjMDlm
- http://duaresidency.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/master-bedroom1.jpg
- http://www.finca-constanza.de/fc_neu/new_images/hh_site_img/napoleon_03.jpg
- http://www.furniture-savings.com/images/Chateau%20Beauvais%20Bedroom.jpg
- http://www.bnbfinder.com/innImages/Gramercy_Mansion_Stevenson_Maryland_56553.jpg


Swimming pool:

- http://www.endaxei.com/California/hearst_castle_pool_2.jpg
- http://community.webshots.com/photo/fullsize/1121391666041027863rjzjrg
- http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1121391791041027863wWuSLW
- http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/7071314.jpg
- http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ftk1y-Su5Us/SO5dHdqVVuI/AAAAAAAABN4/267-mrHXGx4/CIMG6431.JPG
- http://www.tunliweb.no/Bilder_SM/_album_budapest/dscn0388_1024pixel.jpg
- http://petegill.net/samples/castle.JPG


Dining room:

- http://jowaha.com/PPE/Pictures/FairyCastle02l.jpg
- http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3068/2589652166_8fd0beb37a_o.jpg
- http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Chapultepec_Castle_Dining_Room.jpg
- http://lh5.ggpht.com/_6nEVm6mRLww/R9NzMRaE-KI/AAAAAAAAA28/z9gp1PpEews/DSC07293.jpg
- http://lh6.ggpht.com/_rMrVdEBfOvQ/RlHxql9iyCI/AAAAAAAABBA/S3aX1iko1kI/IMGP0649.JPG
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wilanow_dining_room.JPG
- http://www.leithsat.com/NR/rdonlyres/B84987F9-80A2-4683-A236-344BF1FCF73A/2907/TSDiningRoomrounds.JPG
- http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gYgDmJS57WE/SG5tGbiya7I/AAAAAAAAATM/N4aelpx5cnI/Big_Sur_DSC_0181.JPG
- http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1120203532053864237SSCRVI
- http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/2273787.jpg
- http://www.stevesgallery.net/albums/userpics/10001/SCHAD_55_0906.JPG
- http://www.royal.gov.uk/List%20Images/Royal%20Residences/Buckingham%20Palace/BP05_p81%20State%20Dining%20Room%20(Peter%20Smith).jpg


Living room:

- http://www.hammondtours.com/images/stories/accom/ASHFORD%20CASTLE%20INTERIOR%20LOBBY-%20ACCOMM.JPG
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3a%50owys_Castle_Interior.jpg
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3a%50owys_Castle_Interior_02.jpg
- http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs47/f/2009/165/4/1/Chapultepec__s_castle_interior_by_vmgp2.jpg
- http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Hunter/hunterston.surrounds.html
- http://www.terjenet.com/2004%20-%20Germany%20&%20Austria/Bigpics/Linderhof%20-%20Spiegelsal.jpg
- http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1313329322067293624EmGLkr


Devil May Cry, has a lot of nice gothic design, to bad that almost every pictures I could find has enemies and player in them:

- http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3104/2566307506_6d6a3848f7_o.jpg
- http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/7-10/52.jpg
- http://img.jeuxvideo.fr/00713466-photo-devil-may-cry-4.jpg
- http://img.jeuxvideo.fr/00713468-photo-devil-may-cry-4.jpg
- http://img.jeuxvideo.fr/00713474-photo-devil-may-cry-4.jpg
- http://files.xboxic.com/xbox-360/devil-may-cry-4/devil-may-cry-4-leipzig2.jpg
- http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/815/815046/devil-may-cry-4-20070823094255623.jpg
- http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/808/808133/devil-may-cry-4-20070725061042353.jpg
- http://ps3.kombo.com/images/media/devilmaycry4_050.jpg
- http://www.psu.com/media/devil-may-cry-4/devil-may-cry-4-ss-163.jpg
- http://www.villagetronic.com/vidock2/gfx/teaser_DevilMayCry_r1920px_.jpg
- http://anime.tedfox.com/wp-content/uploads/devilmaycry4_trial_dx10-2008-06-06-16-57-52-19.jpg
- http://www.gamershell.com/static/screenshots/8423/297652_full.jpg
- http://i44.tinypic.com/2a79d0m.jpg
- http://symxblog.com/DMC4%20PC/dante.JPG
- http://www.threespeech.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/DMC43.jpg
- http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1338/devilmaycry4trialdx9200jp5.jpg
- http://www.gamesarefun.com/games/ps3/dmc4/7-10/51.jpg
- http://www.3djuegos.com/juegos/1562/devil_may_cry_4/fotos/set/devil_may_cry_4-469349.jpg
- http://www.the-other-view.com/images/bayonetta1.jpg
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Chris Jones
 
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:44 pm

Since I posted a lot of exterior pictures of castles, I`ll post some interior also :P :
- http://www.carnegieclub.co.uk/assets/images/slideshow/Bedroom.jpg


Wow, that room is amazing! The colours aren't exactly my favorites but the wood paneling and windows are just gorgeous! Thanks for the pictures, they inspired me. I wish I could join the challenge I would have a lot of fun building a castle, so many possibilities. Sadly even if I wasn't holding the challenge I still have to finally finish Pell's Gate.

I think the furniture is amazing in castles. We have a second hand shop here that takes furniture from people's estates and chateaus, and they have many huge antique wardrobes. I keep poking in them looking for Narnia. :lol:
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:01 pm

Wow, that room is amazing! The colours aren't exactly my favorites but the wood paneling and windows are just gorgeous! Thanks for the pictures, they inspired me. I wish I could join the challenge I would have a lot of fun building a castle, so many possibilities. Sadly even if I wasn't holding the challenge I still have to finally finish Pell's Gate.

I think the furniture is amazing in castles. We have a second hand shop here that takes furniture from people's estates and chateaus, and they have many huge antique wardrobes. I keep poking in them looking for Narnia. :lol:


:rofl:

Glad that you got inspired and a little sad that you couldn't join the challenge, because I would love to see what kind of castle you would create. But I like that you prioritize Pell`s Gate, I have already packed my armors and items, saved up some gold and are ready to relocate. :shifty:
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:59 pm

Just bumping this back to the first page because of the forum transformation.

Is there a deadline for signup? I ask because I am giving this a shot but I don't want to have to back out if I end up not having the time.
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Allison C
 
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Post » Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:16 am

I think the deadline for signing up will be two weeks before the entries are due in, therefore giving time for administration, believe me there is a lot of that to do. :lol:
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:22 pm

Why does it seem like the waiting is even more unbearable this time around? Maybe I'm just over excited, but I can't wait! Well, I can... I have patience. Yes. :dance:
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 3:13 pm

Part of me wants it to be over soon, so I can see who wins, but the other part wants it to be longer, so that I have time to finish making and perfecting my castle.
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Post » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:02 am

Some challengers send me pictures and information on their work because I am the only one allowed to see and sometimes it is nice to have someone to show your work too, especially if you have to keep it secret for three long months. I of course can never do more then admire, I never give advice or suggestions. Point of my long babble over my morning coffee is that I have already seen a few pictures of some peoples work. Not a huge amount, just preliminary work. Well since I cannot give details I shall simply show my response in a series of appropriate smilies. So...

:o........:huh:.............:drool:............:clap:............:rock:...............:goodjob:..............and finally.......:wub:
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Eliza Potter
 
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Post » Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:03 pm

Why does it seem like the waiting is even more unbearable this time around? Maybe I'm just over excited, but I can't wait! Well, I can... I have patience. Yes. :dance:

It definitely is difficult to wait! May seems so far away, but judging from so far, I'll definitely need all of that time :)
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TASTY TRACY
 
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