I think a star trek comparison is valid here, if Van Buren would have been made it would have been the equivelant of Star Trek: Nemesis, regardless of whether Nemesis was good or not it stuck to the formula which had never done particularly well in the box offices even Wrath of Khan did mediocrely, and Fallout wouldnt have become a name that is rather widely known, Matt Perry? (Chandler) plays Fallout 3.

Fallout 3 made the franchise popular for the first time, just like the new Star Trek.

I just deleted about 10 posts of pointless back and forth and posturing about what boils down to basically a non-argument, and a boring one at that and one poster egging on a minor disagreement. Knock it off, it's tiresome and it drags threads off topic.

We get it, some of you do not like, will never like the Bethesda sequel, and some of you will simply not give up trying to make these folks see things differently. I suggest you all give both sides of that argument a rest. A good long one.

Now, back to the interesting bit of news about the older games on the best seller list, why that's pretty cool, what it might mean to interplay, Bethesda and anything else on that general topic.

Just picked up my copy at Best Buy for $5.99, after getting $10 off with my rewards zone coupon. I am looking forward to seeing what all the fuss is about.

Most people seem to be more appreciative of games with detailed pre-rendered backgrounds, like FO2 and FOT. FO1's backgrounds border on being outright too dated, but the other ones are very attractive. They have a sort of painting quality to them.

Neither FO2 nor FOT really have pre-rendered backgrounds. Both have tile-based backgrounds. And FO1 and FO2 graphics are identical.

Yeah they don't have the "hand painted" levels like you see in the BG series.

If you're going to start a survey on people who got this and haven't played Fallout before, then I guess I'm subject 1. Saw it in the store, and I've been wanting to try Fallout 3, but I like to start a series from the beginning, or as close to it as possible, so I picked it up.

On that note, I'm having some technical problems with FO1, but since it's in such a...uh...unique position (a twelve year old game that can run on Vista), I'm having problems finding help on this. Is there anyone that could point me in the right direction?

Fallout 1 runs perfectly on my Vista box, without any adjustments. I should say that I have most of the security features turned off and Vista configured so it looks like XP. Some people have reported graphics issues, but I haven't seen any. If anything, FO1 is running better for me now than it did when it came out.

I'm not saying that it can't run perfectly on Vista. I'm saying that my particular machine is having a particular problem with it and it's difficult to find a solution. Is the problem with the original game? Then that means the fix (if there was one) is probably a decade old. Is it because of Vista? Stranger things have happened, but that would make it a recent issue, and I've had problems tracking those down, usually because I'm the first recorded case of it happening to somebody. It's annoying, unexplainable, and has happened way too many times to be coincidence...some cosmic force is out to get me...>.>

Anyway, I'm just trying to find out where to look to see if there's a fix to my problem. I thought I found one, but now I'm trying to find a solution that's actually in english and any help would be appreciated...

BG still uses a lot of copy and paste though, especially when it comes to generic houses.

Sorry for the lack of help. I guess I was just pointing out that it can work well in Vista. If you are more specific, there are some highly knowledgeable folks here. I also got my copy from GoG, and that might make a difference.

No worries on that. Anyway, I tried to detail it out http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=988229, but I'm not having much luck with it...

Thats certainly true and it would be rather naive to believe otherwise, but they were certainly some of the most amazing games ever developed, now that its been a few years I might help those stats and go buy them again, if only they were like dlcs and could be downloaded multiple times...

are you a gamer these days?




you all sound like a buncha old timers telling the kids to get offa their lawn!

They can, if you buy them at GOG.com.

Try http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5061, I think it works on vista.
http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/dload.php?action=category&cat_id=3 'll help too.

I started playing the series with Fallout 3, and I love Fallout 1. I'm almost finished, actually. After that i'm going to have a go at #2 (if I can get it to install properly) and Tactics.

5 bucks says it was a bunch of young kids who thought WOW THIS IS AWESOME, they get FO1 and 2, and give up because they get killed by an agrivated gang of rats

You have to really, really svck to get killed by the Vault 13 cave rats.

All this graphics bash. But what a true gamer desires is immersion. For talking so much about Fallout 1-2 I haven't heard any of the Fallout 3 bashers mention that. Fallout 1 and 2 were great in their day because they could draw you in. your FRAME OF REFERENCE(Look that up if you don't know what it is please) was different. You could get lost in that. To the point of even forgetting it was a game. But nowadays we are bombarded with the high resolution, Bump/parallax mapping and what not. And Graphical presentation is a key component, as much as any other (Gameplay, sound, ect) to the whole immersion factor.

For better or worse (I won't specify which) the times have changed. Where before atmosphere, Mechanics and truly clever writing could draw you out of that state of mind that "I'm just sitting here trying to outwit and beat a continually repeating cloud of 1's and 0's." and put you into the: "I really care about this decision I'm going to make" or "What is that noise" sense, not so much anymore. If the physics algorithms or anti aliasing isn't right, you can get svcked back out of the experience and into your chair with your pasty white complexion and only modestly attractive girlfriend. Just a little nugget for you people to nibble on before blindly bashing dozens of individuals hard work.

There's no need to rub it in.

Wasn't a graphics bash though, more a bash on players that can't seem to get beyond a game not having the latest engine powering it.

Blindly bash? There's been a lot of that lately, on all 3 games. it's not graphics I don't like about FO2, it's immersion killing out of character special encounters, forced into making smart-ass dialogue responses when my character wasn't a smart-ass, and what was, even for that day, lackluster combat. FO1, probably the best overall of all three Fallout RPGs, suffered greatly, in my mind, from that craptastic combat.

So, if you want a little nugget, there are many of us who played all three games extensively, and we are fully capable and qualified to bash intelligently, with literally years of game play experience on the first 2 games, and 6 months of gameplay experience on FO3. And yes, FO3 has flaws, some rather major, to my mind, that doesn't mean the first two were brought down form the mountain with the burning bush either.

I agree about the OOC encounters, but I don't think the combat system of the first two was that bad myself. It was certainly improved in Tactics, though.

Tactics made it work.