http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/view.php?id=4401.
Proof that you can't keep a good series down, after 10 years the original Fallouts are back on the top seller lists, at least in the US.

Seems Bethesda did something good with making FO3 after all, eh?

Then they'll all be disdainful as it's "got lame graphics", hah, gamers these days. But, not a bad thing for Interplay.

Yeah, now people get to wondering and go back to play a real RPG, where stats matter not player skill.




I think beth gets all profits from sales sadly.

Nope, Interplay still has publishing rights to F1, F2 and FO:T. But this isn't Brian Fargo's Interplay we're talking about here, it's Herve's. Still a sad thing... sadly :snoring:

I was hoping that it would trample over WoW. But at least its on the list. :shrug:

Well, they still have Chris Taylor, so I support them.

As sad as it is, you're absolutely right.

Maybe because gamers these days have different expectations?

gamers today have no expectations beyond graphics and "cool" things like portable nukes or an in game cell phone with unique dial tones that you can buy with your in-game money.

That's pretty much the point he made...

Talk about sweeping statements.

Yes, exactly. Not a positive thing though, but that's the price paid for making it so popular. I figure graphics will be their largest complaint, basing on comments re: Fallout, but also "combat is so slow" and a host of other nonsense as they judge it compared to its sequel, heh. Probably not all, as the re-release is PC only, so I'll wager ~35% of them will be like this.

My goodness... seems to be a sweeping generalization and an elitist slam, eh? Let's not drag this thread further down the rode of us vs. them/ old school vs. newer gamers - it never ends well, and frankly, it's a tired and pointless argument.

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The ONLY reason, I'd say, that the Fallout collection is on the best-seller list is because of Fallout 3. People loved Fallout 3, thought to themselves "Dur, if this is Fallout 3 I wanna go buy Fallout 1 and 2.", so they go out to their nearest Best Buy and buy the collection.

50 bucks says most of the people who buy and play the original Fallouts are sorely disappointed but instead of turning them back in shrug it off seeing as how it was only 20 dollars to buy them.

So you see it has nothing to do with great games coming back on the lists but rather this new game inciting people to buy the old ones, and therefore says nothing about the original Fallouts...

Well, I myself have bought both FO1 and 2 several times in my life. Sure, Fallout 3 might be one of the reasons people are buying it, but it's not the only reason.

Don't misunderstand me, I love the original Fallouts, what I'm saying is that most people who have just gotten into Fallout, starting with Fallout 3, would be turned off by the original twos' graphics, and have high expectations, regarding of course graphics, when they buy the originals.

Sure, some will react like that, but even in this forum there were people who first played FO3, then bought FO1 and 2 and loved them as well.

I think it's safe to say that FO3 has renewed interest in the first two games. I'd be interested in how may purchases are from people who have never played any of the Fallouts. I wouldn't think that number is high, but it would be interesting if it was.

I'd guess vice versa rather.
people who loved Fallout 1 & 2 wanted to buy Fallout 3.
thanks to good "product placement" they stumbled across the Fallout Trilogy randomly, and thought "damn, my old copies from the year one don't work on my new pc any damn way".
and so they bought it as well.
and after playing Fallout 3, they were happy about having bought at least two good ROLE PLAYING GAMES (guess which two parts I'm talking about )

well, at least that's how it worked with me...

Its a new incarnation renewing interest in a old franchise....like Casino Royale and the new Star Trek.

This is I think, one of the more sensible posts in this thread.

Gaming has eras and changes just like every other industry. Remember when Space Invaders was the big thing? A lot of fans of old Atari games probably felt the way we do now when the mid 80's to early 90's rolled around introducing these new non-arcade style video games like Ultima, and King's Quest. They weren't right or wrong, they just had certain expectations and beliefs on what a video game should be, and RPGs and Adventure games didn't really fit into those beliefs. Why would you play a game for story, or just to waste time wandering around solving puzzles? If you want to spend your leisure time playing video games do something fun like blowing away aliens on an Atari, or in the Arcades. Puzzles and managing food while wandering around dungeons isn't fun!

So the mid eighties came around, and up until the late 90's-early 00's (2000's?) we had a large amount of fairly intelligent games, some with exceptional story telling. Fallout was of course one of these games with its deep RPG statistic system. The Atari Arcade crowd that shunned the "evolution" of the industry would have likely shunned Fallout if they played it, while some of the more casual and easy going gamers from that era may have very well loved it if they didn't focus on what they think a video game should be.

So what happened with Fallout 3? It's a cycle, we're now in an era where arcade style games are more dominant like they were in the Atari era. There are certain things that will never come back in style such as monochrome graphics and beeps and boops for sound effects, but Fallout 3 is more or less trying to appeal in an era where quick action for kicks and giggles is more popular than "deep gameplay". I'm sure that one day games like Fallout will be on top again, with prettier graphics sure, but is that really an issue? Maybe Fallout 4 will actually come out in an era where actual role playing is back on top, I wouldn't hold my breath for it, but it's a nice thought.

I don't think graphics are really responsible for the current state of gaming, you can make deep games with fairly pretty graphics... look at Supreme Commander. The issue lies in the fact that Space Invaders is what's popular now, not Ultima or King's Quest. That's why Fallout 3 places more emphasis on action than stats. Just be patient and we may very well see the return of games with more depth in the foreseeable future.

Nope, Beth does not get the profits, Interplay does.



Exactly. And many of the gamers today were gamers then but still have different expectations than they did then. We all grow and change in what we expect through the years.



Maybe not the only reason but it's reasonable to say that had there been no FO3, it would not be on the best seller list now.

I consider myself to be part of that "specialty" market share that actually LIKES FO1, now that I'm playing it after FO3. I hated a lot of the changes in the TES series from Morrowind to Oblivion, and the same principles apply to what happened with FO to FO3. I suspect that some of the old-school FO players who hated FO3 and OB might actually like the OLD TES games. While they have the First Person Perspective, they have a lot more beginning challenge, and reliance on character stats instead of the player's rodent and key skills.

If FO's re-release does well enough, Bethesda might actually have to reconsider their direction with the series.

And there would have been an FO3 regardless of who made it. Which would have reignited the series as long as the assumed FO3 wouldn't have been a complete and utter failure. It would have introduced Fallout to either a larger, or more modern fanbase, simply because that is the way of things a decade on.

I do however, see alot of criticism of the originals from people who haven't even played them. So I wouldn't say the FO3/Bethesda fanbase is the only demographic riding the prior series right now.


Bethesda will never have to reconsider their direction. No matter how good or bad a game is, it's very difficult for a niche title to stand upto a mainstream one. Bethesda know where they want to take the series, and whether it's honest or true to the prior series or not, their mainstream audience is commending more than it is condemning.