Pretty sure the point of the game is to take the very American idea of the "world of tomorrow" and nuke it, which is why it will likely always have US locations.

I'm sure other continents survived. As for contact with one another? Possible, but likely very difficult and risky, given the Oceans are irradiated toxic baths.

I think that most info, on the rest of the world makes it impossible to know, if anyone is still alive in the other nations. I would think so.

The resource wars were before the great war.

Legitimacy... people do this all the time because they tend to think that 'old' means legitimate and 'new' means riff raff or upstart. Just look at the Kennedy's, JFK's father tried all he could to make his family appear to be 'old money' even though he was already wealthy. It only gets worse if one's a migrant as there is a foreign and 'threatening' aspect to it.

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This guy has it right. Fallout is all about post-apocalyptic America. The 50's feel to fallout is one dominated by American culture. The innocence of US, and the fear of nuclear war during that time is what shapes fallout and it's atmosphere.

I remember reading the the devs said they decided against making a FO game outside the US due to it being so deeply intertwined with the feel of the game.

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I have to agree, I'm not even American but I have to say a Fallout game outside of the US just wouldn't feel like Fallout.

Judging from Colin Moriarty's sorry excuse for an Irish accent, and extremely un-Irish name, he's not Irish.

It is also worth remembering that even if parts of the world were obliterated then as times goes on (hundreds of years later) the world will still become slightly more habitable again - so parts of europe surely are still around and must have life in them. I think Fallout must head into europe again at some point.

True, but this isn't a disscussion on wheter a game will take place outside America or not, but a disscusion on what happend to other continents.

If continents sank, lets say for example, Australia its sits one one of the few stable tectonic plates, if Australia sank the the effect on the rest of the planet would be hugely significant, more than likely the tsunami it would cause would have obliterated all of west coast US, and its more than have likely have caued riples which would have set of the area called the rim of fire and set off huge earthquakes and volcanic activity across the west coast of the US, and there would have been no way that there would have been an oil rig or any bunkers or much of anything to stage fallout 1 in. And a nuclear war that would have caused tectonic movement that signifcant really wouldnt have left anything much behind to play a survival game in, plus more than likely it would have tilted the earth and effected its rotation.

Id pretty much say most of the southern hemisphere survived getting nuked but suffered from the effects of the war in the north, plus the fact that there was no fuel so not great for long range travel and more than likely there wasnt any real communications between countries so they wouldnt have known the conditions and its not as if africa or south america or australia is coming to the rescue of an irradiated northern hemishere when their more than likely trying to survive in a post nuclear world, and i can tell you any weather effects make a huge difference on a country like australia, wouldnt take much to turn most of it into a total desert, after the 12 years of drought weve had so far with basically nearly empty resevoirs and seen most of the lakes completely dry where i live, its a good example how that would effect a country and its people.

But, didn't the Dutch kinda, win? Only to be driven out by the Japanese?

I do not think even austrailla would get off from getting hit,,, you guys happen to have Uranium mines and it would have been going somewhere so someone would be pissed off about that... and would have sent a few your way thats just the way it is... I think all in all you can scratch 1 planet earth ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE

War. War never changes. The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into and economic superpower but war never changes. In the 21st century war was still waged for the resources that could be acquired, only this time the spoils of war were also its weapons, petroleum and uranium. For these resources China would invade Alaska. The US would annex Canada and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarrelling bickering nation states bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth. In 2077 the storm of World War had come again. In two brief hours most of the planet was reduced to cinders and from the ashes of nuclear devastation a new civilization would struggle to arise.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Resource_Wars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SxRNua0TGY

"War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted too many humans and not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reason as always purely human ones. The Earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands quickly raged out of control. Spears of Nuclear fire rained down from the sky. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the Earth. I quiet darkness fell across the planet lasting many years. Few survived the devastation.. "


Fallout 3 Intro

"War. War never changes, since the dawn of human kind when our ancestors first discovered the killing power of rock and bone, blood has been spilled in the name of everything from God to justice to simple psychotic rage. In the year 2077 after millennia of armed conflict the destructive nature of man could sustain itself no longer. The world was plunged into an abyss of nuclear fire and radiation but it was not as sum had predicted “the end of the world.” Instead the apocalypse was simply the prologue of another bloody chapter of human history. For man had succeeded in destroying the world but war, war never changes."

In two brief hours most of the world was reduced to cinders, it doesnt say In two brief hours all, the total absolute sum of the worlds surface of the worlds surface was reduced to cinders, almost or nearly all of the world was reduced to cinders, the greatest sum but not the whole.

Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Ok Africa, the America's, Asia, Australia, Europe and Antarctica are the worlds continents, again a nuclear war of that scale that would devistate anyone of those landmasses listed would be felt on a larger scale across the globe, i could see maybe ice caps melting and maybe massive flooding in coastal areas, but not a whole continent, i can see these descriptions of what happened as being poetic license, and yes we all know its a game and all, but any destruction on that scale would have caused earthquakes which would have also obliterated the vaults, the US isnt exactely geologically stable, and all things considered the main targets of these nukes were China and the US, so if any continent was to be fell beneath a boiling ocean in more likelyhood it would have been north america.

He could have lost his accent because he moved to America when he was a kid, so he was surrounded for most of his life by people using American accents.

I put world insted of planet by mistake. Still its clear that the world has gone to hell. FO1, FO2 and FO3 make that clear. Sure it says "most" not all in FO1 but we have seen cities not nuked by they are pretty much destroyed by Fallout, neglect, 200 plus years of looting, fires the end of the World!. No nation would be left intact. Everything gone. Nuclear war is MAD, mutually assured destruction. Its pretty much "I am going down and I am going to take all you other countries with me!!" Would not want some other country to take over when you are gone. Would have to nuke other resouces just so no one else can have them. Everyone would use their nukes. FO3 "God to justice to simple psychotic rage" all good reasons to take everything down with you. Might as well take those heathens, infidels, commies, morons, cheese eating surrender monkeys down with me. Would not want them running things after I am gone. Everyone would be thinking that because it was a paranoid time leading up to the war, everyone was on edge "the destructive nature of man could sustain itself no longer. The world was plunged into an abyss of nuclear fire and radiation."

*sigh*

Europe and the Middle East engaged in a (limited) nuclear war that left both sides in ruins, that was pre-Great War.
The Great War was a nuclear exchange limited to China and the US, nobody ELSE was nuked at that time but it did not matter much as the Middle East was in ruins and Europe had collapsed into a number of bickering states.

This leaves Africa and South America, we have no idea if the Decolonization happened (as it started in late 50's early 60's) so they could been a victim of the Resources War and also we dont have much idea of what happened in South America.

We do know the Soviet Union lasted until the Great War and is highly unlikely they were China ally, we also know that China did invaded several countries in Asia before going for Alaska so as much Canada and Mexico were targets for Chinese nukes, so were Chinese annexed nations for US nukes.

Ultimate it does not really matter, without oil the nations were collapsing and waging war for resources before the Great War and there is no reason to why they would stop after the Great War, even if afflicted by it or not.

Your statement would only be correct if the European nations after they found out there was no more oil in the Middle East they nuked the US to spite them, we know that did not happen.

:banghead: No the war between Europe and Middle East caused the EU to break up into quarrelling bickering nation states so things were very bad for them. Then the Great War came and they too were destroyed along with everyting else. Have you not seen/played the other fallouts they make it very clear that everything was nuked to HELL. FO1, FO2 and FO3 all say the entire planet went to hell during the great war of 2077.


Fallout One Intro

War. War never changes. The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth. Spain built an empire from it lust for gold and territory. Hitler shaped a battered Germany into and economic superpower but war never changes. In the 21st century war was still waged for the resources that could be acquired, only this time the spoils of war were also its weapons, petroleum and uranium. For these resources China would invade Alaska. The US would annex Canada and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarrelling bickering nation states bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth. In 2077 the storm of World War had come again. In two brief hours most of the planet was reduced to cinders and from the ashes of nuclear devastation a new civilization would struggle to arise.

Fallout Two Intro

War. War never changes. The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted; too many humans and not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reason as always purely human ones. The Earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands quickly raged out of control. Spears of Nuclear fire rained down from the sky. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the Earth. A quiet darkness fell across the planet lasting many years. Few survived the devastation..

Fallout 3 Intro

War. War never changes, since the dawn of human kind when our ancestors first discovered the killing power of rock and bone, blood has been spilled in the name of everything from God to justice to simple psychotic rage. In the year 2077 after millennia of armed conflict the destructive nature of man could sustain itself no longer. The world was plunged into an abyss of nuclear fire and radiation but it was not as sum had predicted “the end of the world.” Instead the apocalypse was simply the prologue of another bloody chapter of human history. For man had succeeded in destroying the world but war, war never changes.

There is no indication of that besides prose you are taking as a fact.

You are so high struck the world is destroy because the US was destroyed? let me tell you one thing ... civilization did fine for well over 5000 years before North America was re-discovered by the Europeans.

I dont see the reason to why the rest of the world would be destroyed, it would make no sense for the US to launch its nuclear arsenal to anyone else besides China and the same goes with China ... only because the intro makes prosaic statements does not mean they are facts.

I am not American I am Canadian. You seem to think I am biased toward Europeans but I am not. I could say you are biased toward Americans but I am not going to. I don't want to flame or insult you but the intros are fact. They set the entire mood of fallout. Laying down the ground rules if you will. World became over populated, resources ran dry, war never changes and man kind destroyed itself IE world is gone. FO1, FO2 and FO3 intros say so.

If I was an artist I would make a cartoon about this but when people say "Only America and China are gone" I picture the wasteland America. Tribes fighting one another mutants and so on. Look up and see an airplane full of Europeans that look pre-war looking out the window and saying things like "savages." Fact is the world is gone. There are no pre-war nations still running as the great war never happened. It was game over for everyone. It is fact and any amount of dislike toward America or North America does not change that fact.

FO3 says "God to justice to simple psychotic rage." those are more then enough to nuke the world. "I am going down so I am taking you to hell with me!." Several nukes were for Las Vegas alone so China alone had more then enough nukes. Now if they had more then enough so would America and other nations.

Uh... nuclear weapons cannot make continents disappear, much less create new ones in a ridiculously short timespan like 200 years. There are confirmed orbital platforms in space, there's no evidence of Rapture-esque underwater cities or moon bases. They weren't THAt high-tech, they were barely on the cusp of graduating from vaccuum tubes to semiconductors.

Wasn't something said in fallout 3 or maybe the Time-line that Super Mutants were dropped onto the Chinese mainland before the bombs fell? Wouldn't they still be walking around Asia some were?

In the time-line that discribes the day the bonbs fell it says whole Mountain ranges were created and destroyed when the Earths crust was hit so hard by the bombs.

huh? are you thinking about the American T-51b troopers who were in china? if not then no, FEV was still in expermental stages when the bombs fell, a "super mutant commando force" hadn't been made yet.



Ive always taken those descriptions of "continents sinking" and "mountain ranges forming" as figurative and purely metaphorical to illustrate the horrors of the bombs