Is Asia, Africa, Europe, Australia, Antartica etc still around? New continents created? Space stations and moon settlements or underwater cities? They were pretty high-tech before the war after all.

They done got blowed up.

Sure, they got nuked too, but they're still around.

PROOF:

View from Mothership Zeta.
Moriarty and Tenpenny come from Britain and Ireland.
In one cancelled game, you'd go through Canada, Alaska, Russia, Mongolia and China.

They still exist. Good luck recognizing them, but they're still there somewhere.

Europe got slammed pretty damn hard. Moriarty's family and Tenpenny moved TO DC to get a better life. If they moved to DC to get a better one then logic dictates Europe got absolutely hammered.

The whole world was swallowed up by the war. There's even a hint that some continents no longer exist. Maybe Australia is beneath the ocean :[


The best proof is the openings to Fallouts 1 and 2.

No it doesn't prove anything about Europe- I moved from Australia to the UK, and I can assure you that Australia is still quite habitable. People emigrate and want to explore the land beyond the seas/mountains all the time. It could just be that Tenpenny and Moriaty had a spirit of adventure when they were younger, and found a reason to stay.


Don't confuse artistic hyperbole as proof.

Has everyone forgotten that bethesda can change the canon from fallout 1+2? Such as the very BROAD and UNSPECIFIC statement that the entire world was enveloped by nuclear war and that USA had the last seeds of humanity?

I also would be very disappointed if bethesda counted that as the absolute canon and made USA the only country with live non-mutated humans. :thumbsdown: bliviongate:

EDIT: Also, keep in mind that when the original developers made Fallout 1, they did not believe there would be sequels or spinoffs, therefore in their chain of thought, it made sense to kill the entire world. While now that Fallout is developing into a very highly regarded game franchise, it makes very little to no sense to kill the entire world.

I'd say the developers saying that "most of the planet was reduced to cinders" and "continents fell beneath the oceans" makes it pretty true in the Fallout universe. The Fallout universe isn't a real universe. Anything the developers say is true, and anything they don't say anything about really can't be correctly speculated. They never killed the rest of the world, they just said that the entire world had the same fate as the U.S. and China.

I prefer this since a country completely modern with no damage from the war what so ever would completely ruin the post-apocalyptic idea of the game.

Fallout intro:
In 2077, the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise.

Fallout 2 intro:
The earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands, quickly raged out of control. Spears of nuclear fire rained from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.

That sets the tone for an entire world in a post-apocalyptic hell-hole. That's the kind of world this game needs to be set in. Fallout is about mankind's struggle in such an environment. A game in another country would be fine, but those countries would be in the same situation as the U.S. No underwater cities or space colonies.

Even if the other continents escaped being nuked the break down of the United Nations and international community could have led to wars even more catastrophic than nukes. Read up a bit on Rwanda, Bosnia and the Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia and you'll see it doesn't take weapons of mass destruction to reduce a country to savagery.

"Democracy is the worst form of government... except for every other that has ever been tried."
Winston Churchill

Australia doesn't need other continents as we are self sufficient. And if someone attempts to invade us, they will wholeheartedly regret ever disturbing us bliviongate: :celebration:

The thing about the Fallout 2 intro saying 'Continents were swollowed' is that it was narrated from the viewpoint of the tribals at Arroyo, and was probably meant more as imagery than fact.. That's part of Peralman's and the writers' genius if you listen to the narrations, it's always as if the storyteller is from where the player character originates.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that Britain is New Atlantis - Yes, it wouldn't be "Nice", but there's nothing at all that says its any worse (or better) than anywhere seen in the US (artistic Hyperbole in the into aside). The UK is not confirmed as "worse off" than DC simply because someone followed his human impulse to wander and wonder.

"Pillars of nuclear fire rained from the sky. Continents fell into the boiling oceans, etc." -FO2 Intro

Well Im guessing most parts of Europe survived because a resource war broke out.

I think some of the continents survived.

Tenpenny and Moriarty are just two examples of it. Great Britain may or may not be as bad or worst or better off than the US was, but if anything, they're hints that there are still civilizations across the ocean.

And Russia? Most definitely survived. NOTHING can take her down. Nothing.

Colin Moriarty is not from Ireland. Page 360. of the FO3 Guide: "Colin Moriary, 50, has been here nearly his entire life. He claims that his grandfather helped found the original settlement a few years after the war. While no one can verify this, his father did use the nearby trade routes to amass wealth, which is used to help secure Megaton."

There is no proof that Tenpenny came from the UK. He could have come from an area that had alot of british people before the war.

On topic: Every other nation has been destroyed.

There is proof that he came from the UK in Herbert Dashwood's terminal:

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Tenpenny_Tower_terminal_entries

"I hear Moriarty even has his own place now. Guess that shouldn't surprise me. That guy had been playing the angles since the day he ended up in this country, as a kid."

The guide says that he was there "nearly his entire life" (because he came there as a kid) and that he "claims" that his grandfather founded it and that "no one can verify this", which sounds like he is not necessarily telling the truth. And Dashwood is old enough to have met Moriarty as a kid when he came from Ireland. So there is no actual contradiction, since the parts about his grandfather are shown as unverified claims.

So it's not clear then. Why would Colin make up the story about his grandfather? he's already wealthy.

I don't think any character came from over seas. If they did we missed out on a great story. People can have accents without having to come from that country. Other county could mean the united states has become many smaller countries. Republic of Dave ring any bells?

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3172024

"Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world. We like to leave a lot to the players' imaginations, and somebody like Tenpenny serves as a catalyst for those thoughts." - Bethesda's Emil Pagliarulo

And from the Dashwood quote, I think it's pretty clear that he means other country outside America, not another part of the former US. After all, he wouldn't have used "ended up in this country" if he just meant the Capital Wasteland, since the Capital Wasteland is not organized into an actual country, unlike e.g. the New California Republic.

Bethesda only says that after the game in interviews. They should have told us cleary in the game. With awesome stories as how they came to America. Just shows they can't write a good story.

I'm pretty sure that Tenpenny was described as British somewhere in the game itself as well.

It might have been but chances are it was in passing.

It would have been better for one of these so called europeans to tell us one whale of a tale. "I left the hell that was Dublin on an old tanker. The engine died while somewhere in the middle of the great sea. We drifted for over a year, many died. A great storm that lasted for days hit us. My father and I along with a few others where the only ones that washed up on the cold rocky beach." So an and so on. It would have been a great chance to let us know of Europe. But they did not and left it unclear. Only to explain it later in interviews.

Hey Australian mate, greetings form your neighbor country, Indonesia..
Your country is beautiful and impressive, i have been into Melbourne.... Melbourne is amazing, especially in winter :goodjob:

Yes, you're right, nobody will want to invade our country.... ^_^

Indonesians are also fierce, because we get our independence by fierce struggling from the colonial power, even if the colonials are armed with guns and tanks, we fought them with guns, and SHARPENED BAMBOO SPEARS!!! (I don't lie! That's a true story, our people fought our colonizers with bamboo spears, swords, bows, stolen guns, and etc. in the Indonesian Independence War.... And they fight zealously..)
If anybody want to invade our country, they WILL SUFFER :flamethrower:

As for us, we are not too self-sufficient.... :sadvaultboy:
Too bad... :cryvaultboy:

If you've ever seen The War Game from 1965, the best estimate for the U.K.'s survival rate was 50% after the initial attack. 1983's Threads gave it at 33% because of increased U.S. nuclear presence in Great Britain and a bigger Soviet arsenal. Both movies used military and industrial studies that concluded that British population rates would fall to levels unseen since the Dark Ages or the Black Death. Makes you wonder if Tenpenny lied about making it from Britain. I've got the feeling that he, along with Moriarty were descended from immigrants or diplomats. Australia might not get smacked about as bad, unless they were annexed by the Chinese, kind of like the U.S. annexed Canada.

Most of the world doesn't need to get nuked to suffer badly from the effects of a Nuclear war. Perhaps most if not all of Africa, South America and Australia didn't receive a single bomb but everywhere around the world would be hard pressed to survive. Could these areas escape the collapse of their governments and civilization? Even if the governments survived they would all probably be military dictatorships. The book and movies "On the Beach" speculates on an area of the world that escaped Nuclear war and how it copes.