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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:15 am

It's well known that Boston played a huge part in the Revolutionary War. (US vs England) So what if that's reintroduced. I mean if you look at Moriarty and Panada in Fo3, it's obvious that immigration is possible. Combine that with airship/vertibird travel and it's possible that England may try to invade the US for whatever reason in Fo4.

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trisha punch
 
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:27 pm

Meh, it's an interesting thought, but I doubt we'll see anything like that in Fo4. I'm not expecting it at least, maybe we will who knows.

Fallout is a parody of American culture just as much as GTA is. I find it more likely we'll explore the history of the revolutionary war (similar to how we did in the DC wastes, finding documents and Lincolns head etc) than it is to see any physical gameplay of other countries.

We have seen Chinese soldiers in Fallout 3, but those were in simulators. Edit: Forgot to mention, the anchorage simulator was a flashback of an event that was exclusive to the Fallout timeline and, obviously, didn't happen in real life. The Revolutionary war happened in real life. I don't think gamesas would make a simulation based off of a real life event. It is a fictional game, after all.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:59 am

That's not possible ;).

Europe went to hell, when the bombs fell.

There are only small cut-off areas without any "international/global" communication, as far as my lore knowledge goes.

Therefore you may have some references in FO4, but not the UK invading the US ;).

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:21 pm

The only problem is, everyone got nuked, so Britain being a functional country is highly unlikely.

Europe had their own fire fight too. Remember, the "United Nations disbandment" slide? They nuked each other also.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:14 am


I think the closest we'll get are Ghouls in redcoats who think they're Colonial British soldiers re-taking a former colony.
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 10:58 pm



Best DLC idea yet.
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Laura-Jayne Lee
 
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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:53 pm

Ghoul redcoats are already confirmed on the artworks :)

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Brandon Bernardi
 
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:34 am

I find this racist. This game is politically incorrect. This is British stereotyping, and Im going to get a bunch of church supported feminist lawyers to support me.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:16 am

According to Bethesda, Europe is such a massive [censored]hole that Tenpeny left England, and went to the Capital Wasteland, instead of going to some other part of Europe, because the C.W. is considered THAT much better of a place to live and make your fortune.

England isn't going to do anything, nor is any other part of Europe for that matter, they wouldn't have the civilization needed to actually invade.

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Allistair_Tenpenny

"Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world. We like to leave a lot to the players' imaginations, and somebody like Tenpenny serves as a catalyst for those thoughts."

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:53 pm

Well Tennpenny came to the US to find my Bolt Action behind his head.
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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:02 am

The Middle Eastern Countries and the European Commonwealth were at WAR with each other so its more than likely they expanded what resources each side had to win. I dont think there is much left in England or Anywhere in Europe thats is capable of getting across the Atlantic to the US.

Also at Mama Dolce's there were Chinese Commando (soldiers) Ghouls. Im not sure if they were Feral per se but they certainly attacked first with guns. Ghouls dont lose their marbles (otherwise they ARE Feral) so its possible these guys have been there the 200 years since the war, their commitment to their ideology WAS that strong).

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:22 am

Anything and everything is possible if Bethesda wants something to happen, even if it's a direct contradiction of anything, or even everything previously established.

Sure, we expect a certain standard in keeping with an already established Fallout Universe, but, in the end, whoever owns the property can dictate any changes to that universe they want, and, make up any reason for the changes, or no reasons at all.

There's several quite plausible ways for introducing people, immigrants, invaders, and other such from other parts of the world. For one, unless the wind stopped blowing, anyone on the planet close to the ocean could sail a sailboat to anywhere else on the planet without any requirement for fuel, nuclear power, electricity or anything other than food and water.

As far as opening up world spaces outside the USA for the Fallout Universe, ther'e plenty excuse to do so, if anyone at Bethesda really wanted to, and there's plenty plausibile means by which anything of the sort could be introduced.

In fiction and imaginary worlds that don't really exist, anything is possible, like it or not.

:)

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:14 am

Yeah because you know they want what's left.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:36 am

"Allistair Tenpenny came to the Capital Wasteland from Great Britain to seek his fortune, so that alone tells you that the U.K. was also hit in the war. And if he came to U.S. to succeed, that says a lot about how screwed up Europe must be. So we just allude, a little bit, to the state of the rest of the world. We like to leave a lot to the players' imaginations, and somebody like Tenpenny serves as a catalyst for those thoughts."

I think it's entirely plausible that Tenpenny couldn't make his fortune in Europe because he was a small fish compared to the dominating factions in the UK and Europe.

A small fish in Europe post-war, might equate to an advantageous position in the American Wasteland, enough of an advantage to risk a journey from UK/Europe by whatever means, and all the deadly dangers such a journey might entail.

Seeking one's fortune typically involves better risks vs gains which also involves competition over resources, as well as abundance and quality of resources.

In those respects, it's plausible to say that prospects in Europe are canonically poop compared USA, but, it begs the question if prospects are poop because prospects are locked down by powerful Euro-versions of Enclave-like factions, or, because post-war resources are even more dire than pre-war, despite 200 years of populations coming into homeostasis with an irradiated environment.

Whatever the case, plausible or no, if Bethesda for whatever, or no reason at all wants to take us to Europe in the Fallout universe, they own the rights to make such a thing happen regardless previous lore. :)

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:30 am

Id like to think that the European Union/Commonwealth smouthered its drive and ambition in its bid to stay 'stable' and 'united', and in doing so doomed all its member states but insisting all the countries be treated equally. By the same all the member states realised the Middle Eastern countries had no more oil to give, it was too late and after declaring war on those countries, fractured completely and warred on each other for any stockpiles of oil each EU country was holding.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:04 am

I posit that if Europe is such a hellhole, that many with the means would flee to the last known place with any resources- The US.
Tenpenny did come. It is possible that others have as well. A place like Boston Makes a lot of sense as a destination, because it would be on pre (resource) war maps- it had been a major international shipping port, until the US closed down.

While I don't think that an actual country would invade from Europe, I think a faction could.
Imagine whoever the "big fish" faction is in England. There has to be at least a raider king or something, able to move from Britain, across on boats for mainland Europe raids.
Imagine, there is nothing left for them to conquest.
So, I guess I am saying Pirates, technically.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:33 am

I always wondered how the little countries fared in the Fallout world. Like Haiti. No one would bother bombing Haiti. Or Saint Lucia. Or New Caledonia.

The little bits of nowhere will inherit the earth yoh.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:37 am

Fredward: 'The Seas boiled'. Which to me also sounds like rose up a crap load and got really hot. 2 of the countries you just mentioned are VERY close to the waterline.

Basically get out a map of the globe and put an x over those countries that are low lying.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:16 pm

Radiation particles are also not static, they would be pushed up into the gulf stream and be passed around like a chip bowl at a party. Those who weren't flash fried, got a nice dose of rads....

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:30 am

I'd never realised Tenpenny was supposed to be English. Are there any in-game references or dialogue confirming that? I must have missed them. He doesn't sound English. He's got one of those Mid-Atlantic accents once used by aristocratic East Coast Americans, and actors during Hollywood's 'golden age'; the Catherine Hepburn or Clifton Webb speech style.

Accents were a bit weirdly random in Fallout 3. I always wondered how Moriarty was supposed to have got to Megaton from Ireland, and why.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:23 am

What about Eritrea? Suriname? Djibouti? Andorra? I'm sure most of the world is wrecked but I can't help but feel there has to be quite a few states so generally irrelevant to the pre-War world that no one bothered to bomb them directly. Now obviously they still had to deal with the massive repercussions of the apocalypse but after 200 years I imagine they're still in a substantially better position than the important centers of the prior world.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 12:17 am

Acid rain, nuclear winter, possible radiation storms, people killing people out of fear and desperation....Also, a few nukes could miss their intended targets and actually veer off course enough to hit a small country, whether plausible or not... it is a possibility.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 4:11 am

Yes, it is. Just like it's a possibility a few small, obscure countries weathered the apocalypse better than most thanks to being largely irrelevant.

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Post » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:07 pm

Irrelevance wouldn't stop radiation from reaching them, nor would it stop infighting, or acid rain. Sure smaller places wouldn't be directly hit from nukes, but they wouldn't be unscathed.

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Post » Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:58 am

Happily that's never what I suggested.

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