I've seen the guessed map, and where they think he started the video and I've been looking at the map in the G4 video and I think we're wrong about the positions of the small town and the start location.

At 4:32 mins he accesses the 3D map and it pulls out to show u the location. As you see there he just got to the small town and that town is on the right upper side of the Throat Of The world (which would be the huge mountain in the middle of the map). so what we see in the video is only about a quarter of the size of the map. He then goes into a dungeon on a smaller mountain to the north west of the town he visited. (I thought that dungeon was on the Throat Of The World, but by that map I was wrong). Skyrim may be bigger than I thought. And to the south west of his current location it shows a shield icon which im guessing is the job stones where he started the video, so he only managed to breifly visit those areas in the video.

Realising this has put aside many of my fears about the size of the game, and Im guessing I will spend 100s of hours exploring the land of Skyrim.

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What made you think it was any particular size, other than, it is "roughly the same size as Oblivion".

I'm glad that Todd said it's smaller than Oblivion but it will feel bigger.

Morrowind felt massive and daunting but it was only about 2km across. I liked it.

Yeah, although it would be cool if it felt bigger because it actually was bigger.

Morrowind was also much deeper than Oblivion on many different levels. You could explore the entire landscape, sure, but to actually understand everything took considerably longer.

Well I allways asumed that in the demo when he pulled out we were seeing the whole map. He said "this mountain in the distance is the Throat Of The World" and then the next screen was of him going into a cave on the top of a mountain which I tohught was the same cave. And when I saw the cave on the mountain on the map I thought "is that the throat of the world, gee this game is small, wheres the grey beards".

Our fears? Yours perhaps Not mine.

Uh, well I don't know about you, but I wasn't wrong about the location of Riverwood. Haven't we guessed it to be Southwest of the Throat since the first image of the map was released and we saw that settlement square Southwest oif the Throat of the World that matched the location of a town called Riverwood on the Arena map and was next to a river?

Todd never said it will be smaller than Oblivion, he said: "about the same size" silly goose get your facts right.

Oblivion felt tiny for me because i abused fast travel

Which almost certainly means smaller. As has been pointed out many times before, he would have said "slightly larger" if it was slightly larger.

Why did you say: "our guess at the map was wrong?" No your guess was wrong. I knew that Bleak Falls Barrow Cave was not the Throat of the World becuase its not the biggest mountain in Skyrim....Herp Derp Herp Herp

lulwut?

If Slightly larger was actually slightly larger, then why can we not expect "about the same" to actually be about the same???

We can. However, "about" and "exactly" are not the same. Obviously one of the games is larger.

Refer to the demo path I made.

http://i.imgur.com/mM9zO.jpg

Why assume? Skyrim's around 16 sq miles like Oblivions map which was 16 sq miles. If you count the cell counts between the "Holds" and "Citys" will can add up that its around 16.5 to 17 sq miles. Which is a little bigger than Oblivion, if not than its the same size. Your unlogical point is refuted.

His whole comment made not grammatical sense at all.

Because if it was the same size, or bigger, he would have explicitly said that. 'About the same size' would mean nearly there but not quite as it would have been a selling point to say it was bigger if it were in fact bigger.

thanks for that.

It's simple marketing. Todd needs to make the game sound as good as possible, without lying. If the game is slightly larger, he would say so. If it is slightly smaller, he will say it's roughly the same size, and I'm sure it is. Don't let wishful thinking affect your judgement, to do so is "unlogical". :rolleyes:

Where did you get that number exactly? Worm[numbers here], I believe it was, actually counted the playable cells and it came up as roughly 4400 in comparison to Oblivion's 4600, therefore smaller. And why assume? Because developers want to make things sound as amazing as possible, to advertise their game, so if it was larger, they would say "larger" since that sounds more impressive, even if the increase in size is actually only minimal.

I'm cynical, but even I find this ridiculous.

Which is interesting because that's not cynical at all, it's realistic. Unlike, for example, pulling an exact map size in square miles out of thin air.

What exactly is ridiculous?

The over zelous imaging being painted, of gaming developers being over indulging grossly overstating sales [censored]s.

At least that's how I read it.

It just seems that everything on this forum of late has had to have the most negative possible spin put on it.