Why are we seeing such an outcry from the pre order bonus? There have been numerous threads and whine posts from people bleating that they are sad because they can't play with their mates and play the race you want to, well now you get that chance and people are mad? Come on now, you asked for it you got it.

Now lets look at the imperials, people have been posting and posting wishing they were in and wondering why they were not and such, well here ya go. But why is everyone in such an uproar because of them, we DO NOT know if we are actually getting a new race or if its just whichever race you want and its made imperial, IE you get to wear and craft the imperial style armor. Why don't we leave the lemur cliff diving until we get an actual confirmation that they are a new race.

I think this relates to what happened to Mass Effect 3. In Mass Effect 3 they made a companion of extreme importance to the plot of the series as a day 1 dlc that was also included in the collectors edition. In this situation they are making an entire race that the plot pretty much revolves around as an incentive for players to spend more money on the collectors edition.

It's a simple cash grab on content that should have been in the game in the first place.

I'm really not mad about faction switching I'm just surprised that they had a change of heart when they have been advertising for months about certain races in certain factions.

Calm down. Not everyone wanted to play with their bros in a completely multicultural alliance. People are allowed to share their opinions, if you disagree with them that's fine - but don't use a silly excuse like ''you asked for it!''. Also, the Imperials are indeed a new race, I'm not how that could be misunderstood.

You get to play an Imperial and because its an Imperial they can craft their own weapon and armour styles. People are probably moaning because they have to pay for it in the CE set.

Also some people are never going to be happy.

Is anyone really surprised about cash grabs though, every big mmo title that has came out in the last few years has had a CE with goodies others couldn't get. Its part of the scheme of things with mmo's. Everyone knew there would be something unique with it as there always is. I honestly think people just are not happy unless they are complaining about something, even when they get what they asked for they are still not happy.

all the added things would be totally cool! IF they weren't behind a pay wall. want to play as an Imperial? Give us $20. Any race any faction? Pre-order please.

That is the problem. It's a cash grab and it's wrong.

anyone can craft any race of armor and any race can wear it, you just need the info to be able to make it and that can be found if you look hard enough. I don't see that is being a huge thing and i would guess that other players will be able to craft the imperial gear as soon as someone finds the instructions on how to do it in game.

Like i posted every big title has been a cash grab in the last few years, anyone remember Star Trek Online and the lifetime sub offer before the game released?, what a joke that was, this is nothing new to the mmo world and its considered par for the course. Maybe its because we have in the crowd people that are not ust to how mmo's are produced and that is why all the bleating is going on.

I am calm and "you asked for it" is not a silly excuse, there are countless posts on here and the other site with people whining and bleating that they are not able to play the race they want to because their guild or mates are playing the other race. That is no excuse just stating a fact and people are now given the chance to play the race they want and they are still not happy. Lol

Because youre forced to pre order a game still in beta still under an NDA to even have the option of those things.

There are a couple schools of thought on all this.

You have one group who thinks it pay to win. Marginal but there can be a case made.

There is another who are citing a pay wall to content. Which is a very valid point.

There is a third more simple approach. This is a SUBSCRIPTION game, therefore everyone should get access to everything it offers.

The whole CE spin is that its a perk for pre ordering. Well that may or may not be technically true we dont know if they will ever offer it in the store, my assumption is they will. So then it definitely stops being a pre order perk and just a thinly veiled cash shop item.

Now all these things end up being connected in some way. Because that is how convoluted it all is.

If Zenimax wanted to add Imperials why not just do it? Theyre obviously in the game if they werent they couldnt offer them. So why are they a pre order bonus? Rhetorical question, answer is because theyre an advantage and a PREMIUM item and people will pay (extra) for them.

Even the treasure maps are borderline as well. As is the mount. If someone has a mount as soon as they log in and it takes the 'average' player until say level 20 to obtain enough money to get a mount how is that not an advantage either? The person who got theirs through game play waits 20 levels AND spends in game cash for it. Guys who spent an extra 20 bux in real life cash got it and will still have the in game gold they would have spent.

When people can look at stuff that is so blatantly 'wrong' and still not see any problem with it then there is really no debating with them they just dont get it.

The people that defend this approach are not ever going to find anything negative about anything this game does. Hell Zenimax could file for bankruptcy tomorrow and not refund any money and never release the game and these people would still try some way to spin it to make Zenimax look good. Thats how deluded many of these people are.

We are complaining, dear sir, because there is a pay gate involved. The logic is that if they get under the impression that it is accepted, then they will add more pay gates. Add enough of those, and you may eventually get a pay to win game, if not that, then pay gates are often a sign of a future f2p game.

[Heck, I could be wrong on that. But many MMOs followed that trend.]

In addition, paying a subscription fee is 'supposed' to mean that you get every bit of content in the game simply because they are on the subscription. This is viewed as preferential treatment to the richer players.

Call it what you will, but you can't say that our outrage is completely unwarranted.

Plus, its imperials, someone is going to complain. This isn't just cosmetic anymore.

That is my problem. I do not mind the sub fee at all, buy my sub sub pays for content like this.

Does that make it any less wrong though? Just because some other company fed their audience BS doesn't mean it's ok for the next company to do the same. It's ok for you to let a company screw you over just by the very fact that another company screwed you over in the past?

Pay gate? I don't see Imperials as a pay gate, but rather as a fun bit of flavor that wasn't originally planned for players to play as. This change is nothing more of an appreciation for the support we have been giving ZOS during the development of ESO. This allows you to play as an Imperial, with their own racial line (Probably the only thing remotely close to B2P or a Pay Gate here.) Then you get some wedding bands, a horse, and visual style armor. Armor styles are just that, statless armor styles that you can apply to whatever you wear, or craft.

Pay gates are more like "You can't enter this dungeon with your friends unless you pay 1900 ZOS Credits." Not so much so as a race that was never intended for players to play

Yes I know this but to find how to do it say if you play a Khajitt then you need to find the recipies on how to make the armour and weapons, but a native Imperial wont need these.

So being used to be [censored] on is a good excuse to not care about it?

You read that article right? About how companies should stop caring about their customers because companies that do make less money? You're enabling that habit right now and lowering the quality of products for all of us. [censored].

exactly. What is my sub paying for then? server maintenance? That's quite the maintenance cost! Dev's salary while they make more content to charge me for?

From reading these and other posts i have a feeling that the majority of people here have never played or had dealings with an mmo specially before release (as in pre order) This is how its done period, not saying i like it or its not a money grab but they ALL do it. The reason they ALL do it is because we let them, we buy the CE each and every time and they know they can make a killing off it. I will be honestly i am a svcker for a CE, i love having in game goodies even if they are not useful (honestly hate vanity pets but thats just me lol)

To touch base on the NDA, in past history when a CE is released within a few days or a week the NDA is lifted and information is passed freely, the same thing happened with FF 14 ARR, CE released NDA released shortly after that and i can go on listing others that did the same thing. We will see the NDA lifted soon and open beta announced or at least one more closed.

Actually... Business wise, it's not really seen as "wrong". Why? Because idiots like us who say it's total BS, still purchase the product, and endorse them, showing them it's actually alright to do it.

If a game didn't see any sales by attempting a "Cash Grab" it definitely would be seen as wrong. But considering the majority of people who are complaining about it, have already pre-purchased the game already. It's not wrong by any means.

"You guys still believe in the ethical treatment of customers! Stop being so stupid, we get [censored] on by ALL companies and I've even started to like getting [censored] on!"

What about the people that can't afford it and want to play an Imperial?

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

If they go as they have with everything else, the imps will need to find it just as every other race has. Nothing states that they have the recipe to craft from the git go, you just reading into what you want to. If i made a HE i couldn't craft gear for a HE or anything one else until i found the recipe for it and i am guessing it will be the same for the imps and if its not, so that means they can craft it and that will put gear on the market faster for everyone else to buy.

you guys are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Please use the existing topic: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1485925-preorder-bonuses-imperial-edition/