TES has NEVER been about balance.

It's been about a massive, open-world, in which you can do ANYTHING, see EVERYTHING, talk to EVERYONE. It's about CHOICE. Not about being rigidly bound so you CAN'T do something if you want to. You CHOSE to grind skills to become overpowered, and the consequence was you becoming overpowered. That was your choice, and you received the consequences for it, whether they're good or bad.

If Bethesda made it so you COULDN'T become an overpowered demi-god, they'd be going against EVERYTHING that TES stands for. You have the CHOICE to be overpowered, but you aren't FORCED to.

It's always been about setting your own rules, so you can play how YOU want to, not how Bethesda wants you to. It's NEVER been about balance. Especially not when you want balance to be achieved by restricting what the player can do.

So, either use some damned self-control like the rest of us and not make yourself an overpowered demi-god, or do it and stop [censored]ing that you became one when you chose to. It's a serious shame when people can't get through their thick skulls that TES is about choice, and they don't like being given choices.

Problem is the way the current system is balanced I DONT get to play how I want to. If I want to make my character the best he can be, the game should still challenge me on MASTER, which is not the case currently. So that choice is gone for me.

This argument of "well then I won't be able to be a demi-god" is flawed because you can still achieve that by simply turning the difficulty down and then no matter what silly build you make you can go around 1-shotting. But for the player that wants to enchant and upgrade his daedric gear, if he does that he trivializes the game even on master.

That's a LACK of choice, and a flawed system.

I noticed my post had a quote edited out due to it's attempts at bypassing the censor. I'm not complaining about that, but you missed the exact same quote elsewhere in the thread. I also am pretty sure that your reply is not about what Deatherbringer was even talking about. He was talking about having to avoid using specific skills, not enemies.

Morrowind, you could recursively stack all sorts of Alchemy bonuses out to insane levels.
Oblivion, you could enchant or spellcraft insane powers (100% chameleon, 100% reflect, spell combos that'd do thousands of damage with stacked weaknesses, etc)

Beth never "balanced" those things later.

It's nothing new.

People with no self-control whining that the game doesn't prevent them from doing 100% chameleon? That's nothing new either.


This isn't the series for people who 1) can't stop themselves from min/max powergaming, and 2) object to being overpowered. Just the way it is.

Morrowind, you could recursively stack all sorts of Alchemy bonuses out to insane levels.
Oblivion, you could enchant or spellcraft insane powers (100% chameleon, 100% reflect, spell combos that'd do thousands of damage with stacked weaknesses, etc)

Beth never "balanced" those things later.

It's nothing new.

People with no self-control whining that the game doesn't prevent them from doing 100% chameleon? That's nothing new either.


This isn't the series for people who 1) can't stop themselves from min/max powergaming, and 2) object to being overpowered. Just the way it is.

Explain how this works, please. Because, yeah - my Smithing has given me better gear than I'd have otherwise. But plenty of stuff still hurts me - boss level mobs, in particular, require a bunch of potion support & running around/dodging.

It should not be up to the player to have a rewarding experience for using the content that was already there.

TES has NEVER been about balance.

It's been about a massive, open-world, in which you can do ANYTHING, see EVERYTHING, talk to EVERYONE. It's about CHOICE. Not about being rigidly bound so you CAN'T do something if you want to. You CHOSE to grind skills to become overpowered, and the consequence was you becoming overpowered. That was your choice, and you received the consequences for it, whether they're good or bad.

If Bethesda made it so you COULDN'T become an overpowered demi-god, they'd be going against EVERYTHING that TES stands for. You have the CHOICE to be overpowered, but you aren't FORCED to.

It's always been about setting your own rules, so you can play how YOU want to, not how Bethesda wants you to. It's NEVER been about balance. Especially not when you want balance to be achieved by restricting what the player can do.

So, either use some damned self-control like the rest of us and not make yourself an overpowered demi-god, or do it and stop [censored]ing that you became one when you chose to. It's a serious shame when people can't get through their thick skulls that TES is about choice, and they don't like being given choices.

This. This all day.

I mean, you have the choice between going out, looking for cool stuff and allowing your combat experience to do the bulk of your levelling for you, only hitting the forge when you need a new suit of armour and are too cheap to fork out for it (like me) or using the pieces you already found.

OR

You can loot a couple of dungeons, buy all the leather and iron ingots in skyrim, and then spam out daggers and leather bracers until you have access to all the best gear. And then moan about how the game is now so so easy.

OR

You can play the game how you want and then moan about how others do it and how their approach to their game somehow ruins your experience...

This!

This needs to be quoted for every page of every thread that makes it necessary to have to point this fact out.

I mean play the game on Master, I shouldn't have to power level to play on Master

I saw this at the weekend and meant to reply then, I disagree with the above.

You should not be able to succeed at the highest difficulty a game has to offer by playing in a sub-optimal manner.

Merely my opinion, but the hardest setting is there to push players, it is there to make the game properly hard. You should be ruthlessly crushed if you make mistakes.

Perhaps I'm old fashioned though.



Perhaps someone should compile a list of things people believe should not be used if they want to retain a challenge. From the top of my head that list includes: smithing, sneaking, conjuration, illusion, enchanting. There are probably more

What most people have failed to notice is that Skyrim is much better balance compared to Oblivion and Morrowind. There are hard caps to armor and magic resist in this time round.

Where a maxed Oblivion or Morrowind character is truly invincible even against literally a thousand foes, the Dragonborn will have problems against a strong enough force. Mayhaps just 20 Death Overlords will be enough? Assuming you are surrounded in a bright room? The COC could destroy them all in a heartbeat with a custom spell (that also gives him back all magicka) or reflect 100% of melee damage and just go afk. Can your dragonborn truly claim the same? I would like to see a video of that.

If you truly don't smith/enchant, I'd love for you to tell us what armor/weapons you use since you "one shot everything on master" just like everyone else claims.

I've set my scale to 0.1% for a challenge

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