I'm not blocking at all, with my 2 handed weapon, yet I manage to survive, only died once so far. started as Adept, turned to Master.

Why are you comparing on dragons ? dragons are a joke to evade for any weapon and senario 1 shouldn't happen if you have a clue what you are doing.

The fact is, if for example you fight a troll, a 2handed weap user has multiple elements to make sure he never gets hit, namely reach, power attack and bash while dual wield can only fish for attacks and get off a power attack and hope it staggers so you don't get hit(as often you will be too close to avoid in time), or play as a 1hand and fish for normal attacks, which would make you weaker than 2h anyway.

And as I said, the only reason dual-wield is OP is because it's too easy to get enemies in a situation where all you have to do is spam power attack without any risk (like dragons, or any enemy when you have a follower/summon)

Or you can overwhelm him, with tremendous damage output(at least 2x more damaging, faster, less stamina hog power attack, and with enhancements on both weapon), and plus there is manoeuvrability of dual wield.

I don't even mention potions.

Being a two-handed user since the start, I can say, at least for 2 handed weapons, power attacks do a lot more damage and stagger your enemy most of the time, which stops them from being able to attack you back.

Sometimes I feel it's better than regular attack, sometimes I feel it's just like regular attack, only slower, maybe depends on your stamina level? Who knows.

Sorry, posted twice.

Anyway guys, one big question, does official skyrim guide explains these mechanics?

power attacks do ALLOT more damage for me, ontop of that it makes my enemy's stagger like crazy when i hit them with my 2h sword

Unfair damage? Unfair to who? The A.I. enemies?

Lots of wrond information in this thread: the dual wield power attack use more, way more almost 50% more stamine than the standing power attack with a two handed weapon.

Also your damage calculation is bullcrap the power attack hits 4 time yes, but for the damage of ONE hand not four times the damage of both hand combined, be serious for a moment. that's 6 times the damage of one hand with the perk.

for s&s and two handed weapons power attack do twice the damage so that's 2..5 with the standing perk.

With no perk at all the power attack with 2 basic steel sword hit for the same damage as the power attack with the steel greatswor.

Before I forget the elemental fury shout count as an enchantment, you can't use on pre enchanted weapon and that shout it WAYYYYY stronger than any enchant by far, mainly because is scale with the damage of weapon unlike the fixed damage enchantment

No, 2 Handed power attack consumes more.

Two handed weapon attack power isn't twice as much that of one handed. It is only %86 more than a one handed.

About my calculations, seems I made a mistake on a rush, thanks for pointing that out, I'll try to edit it if possible.

Dual wield + enchanted weapons + stoneflesh = Pure Awesomeness

Going to put points into Conjurations +magic defense next and I will be truly unstoppable.

No multiplayer and everything is viable so balance really doesnt matter :/ play the game how you want.

If anything melee overall needs brought down. Probably gonna kick up the difficulty tonight because i went enchanting/BSing at the start of the game just wanting to have top notch gear but i left all the enemies in the dust. berserker rage with a 3 charge elemental fury shout is just stupid no matter what weapon you use.

Lol, yeah right, show me how you "overwhelm" the frost troll on the path to High Hrothgar at the beginning, unless your just talkign at high levels with powerful gears, or on low difficulty, than yeah, it's super easy with dual-wield, but so is it with any build, my high level 1h+shield can just stand there all day taking a beating, but that doesn't mean I could do the same while I was trying to get to that point, I for sure remember how that frost troll could 1-2 shot me. Are you even playing on master as you claim ? or you just decked your toon with dual wield late game, cause you won't "overwhelm" any of the tougher enemies until later in the game.

Also your still missing the point and avoiding the question of how it gives your better survivability. As the only thing dual-wield can do that makes it do more damage is power attack which leaves you open to counterattack(if it didn't stagger) or just plain beating from other enemies as you have to be close, and even if you were to use maneuverability and use normal attacks, you would just deal less damage than a 2h and have to be closer. Also the extra reach of 2handers actually makes up for the slower animation, as you are already further away so you have less distance to travel to avoid the attack, and if you weren't you could just bash.

Only death in game, I gave it against Frost Troll, no matter how I tried, I always ended up running with my horse. Nothing works against this guy early game, only archer maybe. I have Steel Warhammer(Fine) and iron/steel armor and invested in 2H, heavily.

I did it with 2h actually, I used spells on my 1h+shield tho. Go in 3rd person and abuse the range and arc of your normal attacks while running sideways, bash if you think your screwed and won't be out of range fast enough(stagger doesn't seem garenteed, so better not get in that situation first), he should drop after a very(very) long fight. It's one of the tactics that make me think 2h is superior to 1h+shield.

Updated my calculations on first page and fixed them, see it and tell me what you think.

Or you let your horse/companion get attention and beat the crap out of him with Dual Wield. It's just a strategy, doesn't change the fact Dual Wield is overpowered.

Anyway people, alot of people misunderstood me, I'm just doing Bethesda to acknowledge the situation. Since the time I saw Skyrim on Oblivion map, I knew nordic climatic setting would be perfect for me, game simply amazing, outdid every rpg came out before. What I'm doing is reporting an issue, don't get mad at me because of that.

It's a strategy unique to the 2h weapons, hence it has to do with weapon balance, unlike the companion one, which can be done with any weapon. And frost trolls aren't the only ones, giants or just multiple trolls can't be burned down as easily as you claim until later, at which point balance is a non-issue since most builds are pretty much invincible.

And I also already agreed multiple times that companions made dual-wield more powerful (and many builds actually) because you don't need to defend yourself anymore so anything with a lot of damage becomes unstoppable.

And the other people who disagree are saying its not an issue

only takes 2 points in blocking. Get slow time when you block power attacks and you don't even need to block you just move your character out of the way of hits... lol

double post delete this plz

I feel completely opposite. My first character is dual wielder with almost all perks. He is almost impossible to play on master difficulty without relying on your companion to tank all the hits. Power attack animation locks you in place and enemies just one shot you. Without power attacks dual wield deals no damage and even with them its just ok/. 2h does a lot more damage and at range even with regular attacks . Its power attacks stagger and are easier to use due to reach. I do not need companion at all (well except for carrying junk)

Let alone other things I listed on the first page, 2x enchantment itself is overpowered.