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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:16 pm

What event marked the beginning of the first Era?


"The camoran Dynasty was formed by King Eplear"

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:First_Era
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:02 pm

What event marked the beginning of the first Era?


http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:First_Era

the camoran dynastie is founded


EDIT: seems like i was too slow :P
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:05 pm

First era? the establishment of the kingdom of Valenwood, of all things.

second era was declared by the Akaviri potentate Verisdue-shae after the destruction of the Reman bloodline.

Then came Tiber Septim for the third Era, right?

The founding of Camoran dynasty marked the beginning of the first Era? They're a really influential family, aren't they? I mean, Mankar Camoran essentially brought about the beginning of the fourth era and his father made quite a name for himself.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:45 pm

Then came Tiber Septim for the third Era, right?

The founding of Camoran dynasty marked the beginning of the first Era? They're a really influential family, aren't they? I mean, Mankar Camoran essentially brought about the beginning of the fourth era and his father made quite a name for himself.

Yeah, Tiber Septim declared the third era after he conquered everyone.

As for the Camoran dynasty, yeah, their a pretty important family, yes. The Dynasty basically fell from grace during the rule of the Reman Empire, and weren't really running the show even after Valenwood was brought back into peace and stability by the creation of the Aldmeri Dominion. By the Time of Tiber septim, anyone sitting on the Camoran throne was basically a pointless muttering guy.
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm

Yeah, Tiber Septim declared the third era after he conquered everyone.

As for the Camoran dynasty, yeah, their a pretty important family, yes. The Dynasty basically fell from grace during the rule of the Reman Empire, and weren't really running the show even after Valenwood was brought back into peace and stability by the creation of the Aldmeri Dominion. By the Time of Tiber septim, anyone sitting on the Camoran throne was basically a pointless muttering guy.

Is this lore in any of the games?
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:48 pm

If you think about it logically, when you enter Serpent's Trail in the quest "Lifting The Vale" for Oblivion, you would think by the time you go through Serpent's Trail, come out the other side, follow the trail until you reach the ruins at Pale Pass, you would figure you'd be in the region of Skyrim. Wouldn't you guys think? It would be cool if in Skyrim there is a fort called Pale Pass in the exact spot it would be leading from Cyrodiil. Am I right?


[recite mantra] What would really be cool is if we visited new places. No Morrowind, Solstheim, Bruma, Pale Pass, etc. since there's plenty of Skyrim to explore and we don't need to pad the gamespace with recycled "been there done that." [/recite mantra]
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:09 pm

Is this lore in any of the games?

It's a rough summation of the Pocket guide, third edition.

The Dynasty's rise to power:
Eplear's success in uniting the inherently wild Bosmer must be counted among the greatest military feats in Tamriel's history. The Camoran Dynasty was itself a far different beast than the empires of man that also rose in the First Era. In the forests, after all, diversity was the law, and the Bosmer welcomed escaped slaves from the Ayleids, and then Ayleids fleeing the Alessian rebellion, and finally the new Empire itself, forming a trade treaty in 1E 340 with men who had only recently thrown off the brutal Ayleid yoke.


The fall of the Camoran dynasty to Reman and his Empire, note the date, 2714, right during Reman's reign:
Even with the eventual dissolution of the Alessian Reform of Marukh, battles continued to be waged along the Cyrodiil and Valenwood border lands. When the Empress Herda improved relations with the Colovian West, the attacks only intensified, though it was not until 1E 2714 - after relenting warfare and a devastating plague from the island of Thras - that Valenwood fell to the Cyrodilic Empire. The Camoran Dynasty as an entity still existed, but its power was diminished. The Empire, eager to make sure that Valenwood would not unite against its new occupiers, granted independence to each treethane of the Dynasty, so nevermore would they battle together against a common foe. Falinesti, Silvenar, Haven, Archen, Eldenroot, Woodhearth rose from being local trading posts to full-fledged powers in their own right.


The Camoran Kings are proven incapable of reunifying their homelands, and the Thalmor become the true governing force of Valenwood:
For centuries, the Bosmer were obedient if not particularly loyal subject of the Cyrodilic Empire. At the fall of the Cyrodilic Empire in 2E 430, the Camorans attempted to reinstate their authority over the other kingdoms, but culturally each had drifted too far away to be united. Without any other greater power to rein in their ambitions, they began to war against one another, the Khajiit to the east, and the Colovians to the north. Valenwood ate away at itself, and offered no resistance to the coastal encroachments of the Maormer of Pyandonea. It took another outside force to reunify Valenwood: the home of the ancient Bosmer, Summerset Isle.

The unified elven kingdom of Valenwood and Summerset, the Aldmeri Dominion, was the most stable power in Tamriel until the coming of Tiber Septim. The new government of Valenwood was called the Thalmor, a congress of Bosmeri chieftains and Altmeri diplomats. While not particularly popular, the Thalmor proved better than the chaos of the previous years, and endured until Tiber Septim's armies swept it away.


Tiber Septim allows the Bosmer to keep a figurehead Camoran King, and the rise and fall of the Usurper, Haymon Camoran, supposedly the father of Mankar Camoran according to the book "The Refugees". Notably, the Argonian you consult with in Oblivion during the MQ posits that Mankar Camoran is contemporary with Tiber Septim, which would make him far too old to be Haymon's son.
Wisely, the Emperor allowed Valenwood to keep some of the symbols of her independence, such as the tribal councils and a figurehead Camoran king. For two hundred and fifty years, Valenwood was at peace. The War of the Isle and the War of the Red Diamond, which ravaged other parts of the Empire, left it unscathed. The Empire used the province as it saw fit, and neglected it otherwise. Gradually, the Bosmer began to grow resentful of an authority which seemed increasingly alien - perfect breeding ground for the horror which was to follow.

In the year 249 of the Third Era, a pretender to the ancient throne of the Camorans appeared, and with mundane and Daedric allies, stormed across Valenwood, destroying all who stood against him. The Bosmer were slow to unite against the threat, many too terrified to stand against the Camoran Usurper and some delighted that they were being freed, however violently, from the perceived yoke of the Empire. This minority grew as the Usurper's power did, and once he had consolidated his power in Valenwood, he turned his attentions northward. It took nearly two decades of tyranny before Valenwood found the strength to shrug off Haymon Camoran's rule. When he lost his seat of power, the Usurper's conquests in Colovia and Hammerfell rose in revolt, and his army was destroyed in the Iliac Bay between Hammerfell and High Rock in 3E 267.

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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:20 pm

It's a rough summation of the Pocket guide, third edition.

The Dynasty's rise to power:


The fall of the Camoran dynasty to Reman and his Empire, note the date, 2714, right during Reman's reign:


The Camoran Kings are proven incapable of reunifying their homelands, and the Thalmor become the true governing force of Valenwood:


Tiber Septim allows the Bosmer to keep a figurehead Camoran King, and the rise and fall of the Usurper, Haymon Camoran, supposedly the father of Mankar Camoran according to the book "The Refugees". Notably, the Argonian you consult with in Oblivion during the MQ posits that Mankar Camoran is contemporary with Tiber Septim, which would make him far too old to be Haymon's son.

Do we know when Haymon was born?
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Post » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:22 pm

Do we know when Haymon was born?

No, but the thing about the Refugees is that it's events are set as occurring during the latter years of Haymon Camoran's reign, which occurred during the mid-third era. (so Mankar was born somewhere between the year 250 and 267 according to "The Refugees") If Tar-meena (I think that's the argonian's name) is right about Mankar Camoran being contemporary with Tiber Septim, then that would mean he's been kicking around since at least 250 years prior to the events described in "The Refugees."
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