I own Morrowind (Game of the year) All the Expansion, and Oblvion no expansions.

I was curious if the other games are worth giving a shot to?

I was curious if the other games are worth giving a shot to?

To try Arena costs you nothing but time. You can d/l it from elderscrolls.com.

No, they're not.

Yes they are! It depends though on whether or not you can stand the old graphics of the older games. I'm playing daggerfall right now for the first time after having played Morrowind, Oblivion and then completed Arena and I just love it.

Sarchasm: the deep rift between the person who makes a sarcastic remark, and the people who don't catch it

Sarcasm never translated well into text. Especially without any usage of smilies.

Anyway, the games are still worth playing. At least for me, and especially Daggerfall & Redguard. I never really gotten into Arena much, but it's http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/downloads_games.htm. There's a Daggerfall demo I recommend you get too (see Jormungandr's signature).

Sarcasm usually doesn't translate well into text, but in this case I figured it was obvious. I didn't want to use a smiley because that would've indicated that I was joking or being friendly in some way about it.

My point being; there is an entire community devoted to playing hundreds of old computer games. There is no way I nor anyone else will be able to tell you whether or not it is worth it for you to play them, because I don't know if you'd like them or not. If someone convinced you they were the greatest thing since Jesus kung-fu action figures, then you may be one of those people that spend the next few days creating post after post of why your weapon won't swing.

I don't know if you would actually do that, but I figured I'd go ahead and try to nip it in the bud.

If the Past Elder Scrolls games weren't worth playing, this forum would be empty.

Sarcasm usually doesn't translate well into text, but in this case I figured it was obvious. I didn't want to use a smiley because that would've indicated that I was joking or being friendly in some way about it.

Well, duh.[/sarcasm]

Arena is just a dungeon crawl with big outdoors levels. But it's free.

Daggerfall is one of the deepest CRPGs you'll ever play, but it's rare and expensive.

However if you do find it I must urge you to buy it right away. It is incredible, but a bit buggy.

LOL, daggerfall is really just arena with a few more perks. if you enjoy arena, you'll get more of the same with daggerfall.

LOL, daggerfall is really just arena with a few more perks. if you enjoy arena, you'll get more of the same with daggerfall.

Arena is a whole lot farther from DF than DF is from MW.

in technicalities, sure, but in actual gameplay, no.

in technicalities, sure, but in actual gameplay, no.

I guess it depends on how you define "gameplay", but...lycanthropy, vampirism, guilds, reputation, item enchanting, potion making, levelling, tri-dimensionality: these are all HUGE gameplay differences in my view.

the only true difference is the character generation & development, which was a definate positive. otherwise daggerfall feels more or less an expansion of arena.

i always wondered if they built upon the arena engine and added the daggerfall extras (guilds, reputation, character development, etc...) they could've completed a lot more of the game than they did, as there isn't that much difference in how arena operates compared to daggerfall.

i always wondered if they built upon the arena engine and added the daggerfall extras (guilds, reputation, character development, etc...) they could've completed a lot more of the game than they did, as there isn't that much difference in how arena operates compared to daggerfall.

You have to be yanking my chain. Arena was basically two-dimensional. DF was three-dimensional. Levelling was entirely different in ways that influenced just about every facet of gameplay.

There's no way DF used even one line of Arena's code.

The melee combat both games used was the same, I suppose. Mostly. The same style, anyway. Other than that.....

you missed the point completely. i was merely stating that if the devs built daggerfall on arena's engine, rather than rebuilding everything on the XnGine, perhaps they could have focused more on developing most of the unfinished features rather than engine work. arena was more than capable of handling most of daggerfall's features, but they chose to use a new, taxing engine...sound familiar?

arena and daggerfall shared a lot of the same resources.

Hahahaha

Where are you getting your information from?

you missed the point completely.

I guess...but if that's the point you were making, I doubt even Stephen Hawking could've figured it out. I.e., whatever, dude.

i'm not sure what you mean.

i'm just making an observation, which is getting taken too literal. perhaps daggerfall could've been more complete if the devs built it with arena's engine rather than their relatively new and resource hungry XnGine in 1995-1996. it was just a speculative "what if". kinda like thinking how morrowind would'v faired if the team stuck with the XnGine.

the devs stated that most of their development time was spent debugging the XnGine while working on daggerfall. perhaps that debugging time would have been better spent implementing more features if they stuck with the arena engine.

yeah, whatever 'dude'

don't take everything as an attack on daggerfall. it's ok.

What do you mean by "complete?" Arena's engine was not advanced at all, and one of the reasons Daggerfall is considered to be a superior game is because the engine.

The story is great and all but using Arena-like dungeons and really repetitive architecture? Come on...

daggerfall was far from a complete, finished product. many things didn't work quite as intended, some things didn't make the cut. perhaps many of these things could've been finished if the devs used an enhanced arena engine, rather than focusing as much time as they did with showing off the xngine. maybe they would've got around to adding the order of the lamp, or the different political situations (warfare, famine, disease, etc), or climate survival, to name a few things.

less work on debugging the core engine = more work on game content

i'm pretty sure the graphics could update accordingly, as well as adding more sophistication to the dungeon generation. same with skill leveling, character generation...these concepts weren't exclusive to the xngine, gamesas wanted to show off their futureshock engine.

anyways, this debate was meant to be light-hearted, and it was received very coldly. daggerfall without the xngine...