Patience. I has it. : V - Skyrim

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:08 am

Isn't it though?

Hopefully! It could also be a cruel trick played on us by Sheogorath

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:28 am

OP is just as rabid and flamebaiting as the ardent detractors - they belong together imo.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:34 am

No, been reading the forums all of today, and there were a few who were on the cusp of refusing to buy the game, and more taking it to a level of utter despair and rage due to spell making.

If people feel this deeply about the game and they have a means to convey their despair, then convey they shall. It is within their right to enter a state of despair, so why harass them so?

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:14 am

It's Mephala, pitting us against each other.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:57 am

I like what Todd's been doing but I have little patience left for the fanbase. All it ever, as a whole, does is complain, complain, and... uh... complain. If you like something from the most recent title, praise it, damnit. People wonder why good things are lost from the series and it's because people never praise them. All they ever do is whine and moan about what they didn't like and then, somehow, they pretend good parts didn't exist.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:52 am

If people feel this deeply about the game and they have a means to convey their despair, then convey they shall. It is within their right to enter a state of despair, so why harass them so?

Harass them? Harsh, I've done no such thing. No, I've pretty much been trying to tell the overly pessimistic to take a chill pill and allow real information to surface.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:07 pm

I like what Todd's been doing but I have little patience left for the fanbase. All it ever, as a whole, does is complain, complain, and... uh... complain. If you like something from the most recent title, praise it, damnit. People wonder why good things are lost from the series and it's because people never praise them. All they ever do is whine and moan about what they didn't like and then, somehow, they pretend good parts didn't exist.

Criticism is far more useful than praise.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:51 pm

You know, telling people to take a chill pill usually makes them angrier. Comes across as your talking down to them.
So a few people said they are not going to buy the game, so what. Its not as bad as you make it sound, you just keep reminding/baiting them. Why do you feel its your sole duty to tell other people how to behave?

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:53 am

Harass them? Harsh, I've done no such thing. No, I've pretty much been trying to tell the overly pessimistic to take a chill pill and allow real information to surface.

Hellmouth, whose sphere is winning arguments and reasonability.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:43 am

Criticism is far more useful than praise.

Constructive criticism.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:48 am

Harass them? Harsh, I've done no such thing. No, I've pretty much been trying to tell the overly pessimistic to take a chill pill and allow real information to surface.

I apologize, for harshness was not my intent. I merely think the best way to handle the upset on these forums is to allow them to burn themselves out. Whenever any change is made flame wars burn through our beloved forums, but luckily all flames flicker if they are not fed.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:18 am

Who let the pessimists out? Why is this even a discussion? This is truly pathetic. We need to support Bethesda and their actions.

I will only support actions by Beth that I actually like.

Yes, why is this a a thread?

I will see for myself what the final product of the game is and if I dislike/like something its my opinion. Wether anyone gives a **** about my thoughts is their problem.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:39 am

If you think differently, disable your account and play Hello Kitty(and/or pop a cyanide pill).

I stopped reading right there.

I agree with you in principle, but there's no need for condescension or insults imo. Even if you feel the other side of the debate uses the same tactic. People have the right to disagree with you (us, really) and to speculate about the implications of what's been revealed thus far.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:41 pm

Criticism is far more useful than praise.

No it isn't. If you don't praise what they (the developers) did right, then how are they supposed to know what to keep? Criticism has a more profound effect on a game's development, but that doesn't make it more useful or mean that profound effect goes towards a more positive game. In the case of Oblivion, and I'm sure it was true for Morrowind before it, the forums are somehow filled with people who literally think everything about it was inferior to some previous game. There must be some contract to prevent praising what one likes and wished to keep, eh? I'm willing to be spears were largely ignored in any praising about Morrowind that may have occured when it was released, for example. If people loved them and showed they loved them on the forums, Bethesda would have kept them. Bethesda responds to criticism, but a lack of praise shouldn't leave anyone surprised when they axe, say, mounts, spears, crossbows, hand-placed loot, buyable houses, improved quest structure (I guess people didn't notice this in Oblivion and looky here, we've got a crapload of randomly-generated side quests for Skyrim... how wonderful...), mundane things such as being able to break out of prison, etc.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:12 pm

People are here to discuss. Unless you want this forum to turn into a giant circlejerk like the Bioware forums, it's nice to have dissenting opinions around.

if you think thats bad check out the GFWL forums. its like a support group. they constantly reinforce eachothers views and they must have a policy of having to say "i love you" at least once a day to someone. its actually kind of creepy.

@seti.........if i say that i loved oblivions combat what have i accomplished.......nothing, absolutely nothing. now if i say that i loved oblivions combat but i used mods that reduced backpedalling, reduced the recoil, got rid of reflect damage and increase weapon damages across the board i have just made a whole litany of criticisms that are going to be noticed alot more quickly than just saying that i loved the combat. the squeaky wheel gets the oil. the reason they are getting rid of quest arrows and getting rid of oblivions level scaling is precisely because people [censored]ed and moaned about it ad nausuem on these forums. this also happend on the DX Human Resources forums as well to the point that they changed the game up to make alot of the third person stuff that was buggin alot of people optional with hotkeys.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:43 pm

OP you really need to chill out. If you dont like something, then simply pay it no mind.

Whats the big deal? If you are excited about Skyrim then that is all that should matter

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:23 am

Criticism has a more profound effect on a game's development

tee hee u agree wit me

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 1:20 pm

tee hee u agree wit me

Criticism led to Oblivion's level-scaling. Like I said, it's not always positive.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:45 am

Criticism led to Oblivion's level-scaling. Like I said, it's not always positive.

Hm, good point. I suppose Bethesda's interpretation of the criticism is as important as the criticism itself. Unfortunately we don't really have any control over that

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:03 am

Harass them? Harsh, I've done no such thing. No, I've pretty much been trying to tell the overly pessimistic to take a chill pill and allow real information to surface.

Amen to that. I can recall earlier, before GI has begun releasing extended info, when hordes of people claimed that you wouldn't be the Dovahkiin and begun to list reason after reason why they thought so. They were staunch in their beliefs and would try their hardest to convince everyone else how wrong they were. A few "You are the Dovahkiin" announcements later, I can only wonder what happened to that whole crowd.

This is just an extended period of teasing. They like to release incomplete information because people talk about it, stir up hype and such. I just wish people would be less pessimistic; assuming that because information is incomplete it means that it's bad.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:05 am

No, been reading the forums all of today, and there were a few who were on the cusp of refusing to buy the game, and more taking it to a level of utter despair and rage due to spell making. Not trying to throw down ad homenims, but that is what I have observed with a bunch of forumers. And I was expressing that dissenting opinions get silly when it's taken to extreme levels of mouth frothing rage. Constructive criticism is fine, and something I like to see, but when a forumer cries that it's practically the end of the world, then that's just not helpful.

Well I have no reason to doubt you. I'm only saying that the two groups are not the same. (just as those who simply state they don't like this possible change are not the same)

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:39 am

Criticism led to Oblivion's level-scaling. Like I said, it's not always positive.

True, but the criticism of level scaling is serving to lessen it. Although criticism is indeed negative by nature, it is also instrumental to change and progress, and should therefor be accepted if not welcomed.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:13 am

If you can successfully communicate why you think something deserves criticism, what works, what don't and under which circumstances, then you've gone a pretty long way of ensuring that your argument will be misinterpreted as little as possible. Deliver it short and concise, it will serve no one to write/jabber excessively. Constructive criticism is essential for any kind of development. Praise is only good in combination with constructive criticism and vice versa. The latter is rarer and harder to do than the former.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:36 pm

This is just an extended period of teasing. They like to release incomplete information because people talk about it, stir up hype and such. I just wish people would be less pessimistic; assuming that because information is incomplete it means that it's bad.

The pessimism isn't completely out of left field though. I mean...it's not like we haven't had five years to discuss what went wrong with Oblivion. To say that there's a large segment of Elder Scrolls fans that were burned by Oblivion and are now disgruntled and pessimistic would be a bit of an understatement. Do you blame us?

Like others have said, if the level scaling in Oblivion hadn't been universally lambasted, insulted, decried, and shot down for the pathetic amateurish heavy-handed crap that it was, we would never have seen it improved in Fallout 3 and Skyrim.

» Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:38 pm

So, today has been an interesting day on these forums. An Italian article somewhere that has no evidence and no reason to have faith in and that may or may not be translated correctly is starting flame wars about spellmaking.

Who let the pessimists out? Why is this even a discussion? This is truly pathetic. We need to support Bethesda and their actions. This is not the kind of community that any dev would be proud of. Man up, people. It's only a game anyways-being bat[censored] insane about this game optimist or not is pathetic already. Take a chill pill, TES is the finest RPG around. If you think differently, disable your account and play Hello Kitty(and/or pop a cyanide pill). Point is, spellmaking not being implemented in the game wouldn't be a huge deal anyway (read on before you get big genitals) because the epic that will be Skyrim will outweigh the bad indefeasibly. We already know etched in concrete unlike the spellmaking thing that the graphics are near-Crysis like. There is not discolored skin line at where NPC's necks meet there bodies. Waterfalls look real. The mountains are blazing with convincing majesty. There are going to be Dwemer ruins again. New creatures. Dragons, for heavens sake. An up armoured combat system. A pleasing menu system. I could go on.

P.S: ranting and bullying about Skyrim in a depressant, calm, tone does not make you any more 'right' or sophisticated.

Ranting about ranters and suggestions about pills is also not productive.