So, today has been an interesting day on these forums. An Italian article somewhere that has no evidence and no reason to have faith in and that may or may not be translated correctly is starting flame wars about spellmaking.

Who let the pessimists out? Why is this even a discussion? This is truly pathetic. We need to support Bethesda and their actions. This is not the kind of community that any dev would be proud of. Man up, people. It's only a game anyways-being bat[censored] insane about this game optimist or not is pathetic already. Take a chill pill, TES is the finest RPG around. If you think differently, disable your account and play Hello Kitty(and/or pop a cyanide pill). Point is, spellmaking not being implemented in the game wouldn't be a huge deal anyway (read on before you get big genitals) because the epic that will be Skyrim will outweigh the bad indefeasibly. We already know etched in concrete unlike the spellmaking thing that the graphics are near-Crysis like. There is not discolored skin line at where NPC's necks meet there bodies. Waterfalls look real. The mountains are blazing with convincing majesty. There are going to be Dwemer ruins again. New creatures. Dragons, for heavens sake. An up armoured combat system. A pleasing menu system. I could go on.

P.S: ranting and bullying about Skyrim in a depressant, calm, tone does not make you any more 'right' or sophisticated.

I'm with you.

Is there a point to this other than calling the skeptics pathetic and praising Skyrim as if it were a holy gift from the Nine?

Neither does suggesting people "pop a cyanide pill".

People are here to discuss. Unless you want this forum to turn into a giant circlejerk like the Bioware forums, it's nice to have dissenting opinions around.

It's not fun if it's the complete opposite either. If we could just be a bit more moderate...

But who am I kidding, this is a forum. This might be the way it's meant to be !

I'd wager a guess and say most people who go so overboard with praise/doomsaying are mostly just bored and want something to do -right now- so they start up flame wars or whatever. *Shrugs* Won't ever stop, and will only get worse with each new game as those who frequent the forums will increase.

That isn't one of the most prudent things I've ever read on a board or even anywhere indeed.

This is a board. People have different opinions other than you. A good number of them are even sceptical before they believe anything or take something for granted. People are here to discuss, not to be a yesman.

DOUBLE POST

Well, it is a holy gift from the Nine for many many of us. :celebration:

@3-26 Except when the dissenting opinions are taken to the level that the world is going to end, or the complete refusal to buy a game for nixing 1 thing. That is when dissenting opinion becomes rather silly

Dissent is indeed nessecary. Not to this level, though. This is uncanny.

I agree, that why I made a much more optimistic post, which discusses all the NEW stuff that is being added. You can see it http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1163135-skyrim-has-more-skill-type-stuff-than-ob-not-less/

Good to see that you all keep Bethesda's horrible fanbase reputation live and strong.
Can no one just say they like a game and are open to new things? Variety is the spice of life and only using salt makes everything bland and boring.

People are allowed to be dissapointed, as long as they're abiding by the forum rules (something that this thread is not doing).

I don't know if the italian writer is correct or not, but my translation is pretty clear and faithful to the original.
Also I am waiting for an official confirmation before starting to whine about this piece of information...

People are starting flame wars about spellmaking not because we don't appreciate the game, but because if we talk about it enough our discontent will get noticed. Since we are still nine months from release, if the devs find that the fans are adamantly against the loss of spellmaking they might just do something about it. The flame wars are popping up because we care, not because we are ready to rip Todd's head off.

I think the biggest problem with the recent "dissenting opinion" is that people are throwing their hands up and saying the entire game must be terrible because they are changing so many different things. Especially most recently this magic system. I have noticed a trend, not just here, but with any game that when sequels remove a feature or change it the first reaction from fans is that something is wrong. Even me, I can be initially angry about many changes. Some of those feelings were valid when I played the sequel to a game I loved, however some were not and I learned why they were changed when I played the game.

I have confidence in few game companies these days. As the economy takes its toll, most game companies are unwilling to try new things and they stick to a formula that they know will work instead of innovate. However, Todd really seems to like making games. Not just for money, but he dabbled in the craft even before he was hired as a professional. I honestly believe that the changes people are hearing are innovation at its best, and Bethesda is one of the few groups of developers left that I actually have confidence are making good changes in their games.

You guys act like the forum is full of extreme negativity. The fact is that the majority of people are mostly happy with most of the design decisions in Skyrim. Personally, I'd prefer discussion on how the things we don't know about could be implemented, but people are fixated on discussing known quantities. This leads to people who are unhappy about stuff they've heard and a very vocal about being unhappy.

I just avoid reading the rants (I skim them, and see if they even made any valid points). Oh, and I offer more than my share of negativity, but I try to avoid making my posts into plain old whining about how Todd Howard killed my father.

This must be some kind of fallacy. Probably by assosiation or something. The former is obviously stupid. The latter is not. If that one thing is important enough, it's logical for to decide not to buy a game. It's not that weird, especially considering how many other highly anticipated games come out this year. I'm not one of those who wouldn't buy the game for this, but, if it's important enough to them, it's not silly.

yea people are just freaking out, just like they did when some of the skills were combined and simplified. Its like their brain simply shut off when they heard that and went into rage mode, even though with the new perk system there will be MORE diversity between characters than there used to be. Now you have to have a good 1h weapon stat and the mace perk to do well with a 1h mace, this also means you won't do AS well with a 1h axe... and you'll be terrible with a 2h mace. I don't understand how people thought that was less RPG like than oblivions system where you can learn blades up to lvl 100 with a dagger, then seamlessly switch to a claymore and be a GOD with it.

Same thing with spell making, noone ever stops to think or ask WHY they feel they don't need it. They just blow up without thinking. We don't have all the info about the game, maybe this is their way of balancing out the way people would abuse spells? Like the 100% weakness to magika and a drain spell that would kill literally anything. Or 100% chameleon clothes. Or a character with 101% reflect damage and 100% spell resist who can only be killed by arrows.

Maybe they are doing something really cool with the magic system so spell making is unnecessary, and when they reveal it the people yelling black death at them right how are going to turn into kittens purring at bethesda's feet. That is, until the next time they get wind of something they don't like very much then they turn on bethesda again.

If I were a dev I literally wouldn't give two sh**s about those guys, they will be angry anyway so why explain anything ruining the suprise for the people that are actually interested in how oblivion will turn out as a whole.

Isn't it though?

Oh yes, clearly TOOOOODD is a dragonish word of power, and if we all shout it loud enough it will destroy Todd and bring back the spell maker! We must unite!

No, but I'm not giving much merit to the Italian story - something this major would be touched upon by GI if it were true, or at least set in stone. For all we know, it's like spears and it's something Bethesda is struggling to implement into the game before release. Either way, I'm not too worried either way. The Skyrim forum over the past month has gone from utter hilarity to incredibly depressing. I'm just going to keep speculating about cool things like the towns and quests, thank you very much.

People are allowed to express their opinions and disappointments about Skyrim. And so they should. It would be in Bethesda's best interest to hear them out, so that they can take these opinions into consideration.

No, been reading the forums all of today, and there were a few who were on the cusp of refusing to buy the game, and more taking it to a level of utter despair and rage due to spell making. Not trying to throw down ad homenims, but that is what I have observed with a bunch of forumers. And I was expressing that dissenting opinions get silly when it's taken to extreme levels of mouth frothing rage. Constructive criticism is fine, and something I like to see, but when a forumer cries that it's practically the end of the world, then that's just not helpful.